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We must be SINLESS to inherit the Kingdom of God.

 
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My relationship with Jesus is awesome, matter a fact he is using me to attempt to correct your false in biblical, contradicting doctrine.

Here is a scenario, 2 years after being sinless you are walking on the streets and you see a pretty women and you lust, you just sinned after being sinless for 2 years! You forget to repent, and 5 minutes later you cross the street and get hit by a car and die. According to you, if that scenario I just made up you would be going to hell because Jesus left you.

If you can't see how messed up and in biblical that is then you are greatly deceived my friend. I pray Jesus opens your eyes.

God will never leave or forsake you once you're saved, I guess you missed the 10 PLUS verses saying that lol I mean really.
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You have no relationship with Jesus. Pray to him about this subject I BEG you.

It's not slipping up that is condemn able, if your scenario happened I dare say I would be forgiven.

It's living a life of sin like you do, a life of sin where you think it's OK. Where you think it's justified. It's living a life of sin. If you have a sinful lifestyle you will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If you slip up and show remorse and pray for forgiveness you will be forgiven.

You are on the broad road to destruction, narrow is the path to life. Few choose the narrow path.

How can Jesus die for your sins if you don't crucify your sins with him ? You're still living with your sins so they didn't die with Jesus !
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Why are you judging him? Very strange behaviour
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He has been justifying sin all night. Those who have a relationship with Jesus won't justify sin.

God bless you
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Well I haven't been here to see this, but he clearly proclaims that he loves God (can't you read his spirit?)
All the brethren under his name are one, or at least that is what is intended to be.
Maybe I just don't understand
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My brothers and sister in Christ, did you not know we must be sinless to receive Jesus and the Father's Kingdom ?

We must be sinless to receive the Holy Spirit. We must live as Jesus did, we must be perfect as the Father is perfect.

The Father's perfection is not one of sin. We can't be perfect if we sin, and only the perfect enter God's Kingdom.

Matthew 5 13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Matthew 5 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We must be sinless to receive the Holy Spirit, and we can't receive The Kingdom of God without the Holy Spirit.

Does one person here, who says that we may get away with sin and go to Heaven thanks to Jesus have the Holy Spirit ?

I can say no you don't, because I have been there. Accusing those who say we must repent of lies and false doctrines.

It is sin to say we can sin and go unto Heaven. It is persecuting Jesus when you say we can sin and enter Heaven.

NOT ONE who sins will enter Heaven !

Jesus' sacrifice was for our past sins that we might not suffer death but have eternal life in the Name of Jesus the whole worlds Messiah.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

If Jesus' sacrifice now permits us to sin, why the need to preach repentance ?

So now, if we sin after accepting Jesus as our Messiah, there is no more sacrifice. Jesus died for our past sins not our willful future sins. We must ALL repent of SINS !

Matthew 5:11-13 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
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You take scripture out of context. It was about Jews going back to living under the law after they accepted Jesus as lord and savior. There is no forgiveness for those who accept him, then openly turn their back on him and go back to trying to live and be justified under the law.

It is very important to learn to take scripture in context of what was being spoken about. Don't believe me tho, Look it up for yourself.
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Why would a scripture be directed to the Jews who rejected Jesus. Judaists don't read the New Testament..

Also Jesus will forgive the Jews, that's what the tribulation achieves.
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He has been justifying sin all night. Those who have a relationship with Jesus won't justify sin.

God bless you
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Derp. Since when does admitting "I still sin sometimes, because I'm not perfect" = justifying sin?

sigh
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Derp. We've been deabting this same subject for Hours now on this and other threads and he has stated we can continue to sin because we won't ever be sinless.... DERP case in point. If you stopped sinning you would be sinless.
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Quote for me where he's said that we *can* continue to sin. . .I don't think I saw that one
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OP - Check out Paul Washer on YouTube, he's right up your alley. For me he's a serious dose of humility. But Pastor Dave Stein has a great sermon how Mephibosheth grandson of Saul was treated by David whom he thought had hated him and wished him such ill and the parallels that it pertains to us and that God does not wish us such ill and Jesus came to redeem us as David did to Mephibosheth. Check out


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man you guys, watch this video, this message is for YOU!
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You have no relationship with Jesus. Pray to him about this subject I BEG you.

It's not slipping up that is condemn able, if your scenario happened I dare say I would be forgiven.

It's living a life of sin like you do, a life of sin where you think it's OK. Where you think it's justified. It's living a life of sin. If you have a sinful lifestyle you will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If you slip up and show remorse and pray for forgiveness you will be forgiven.

You are on the broad road to destruction, narrow is the path to life. Few choose the narrow path.

How can Jesus die for your sins if you don't crucify your sins with him ? You're still living with your sins so they didn't die with Jesus !
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Why are you judging him? Very strange behaviour
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He has been justifying sin all night. Those who have a relationship with Jesus won't justify sin.

God bless you
 Quoting: Jesusobsessed


Well I haven't been here to see this, but he clearly proclaims that he loves God (can't you read his spirit?)
All the brethren under his name are one, or at least that is what is intended to be.
Maybe I just don't understand
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I accept him as a brother and I bless him as a brother but we MUST NOT SIN.
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If my father told me I must not sin, and smacked me for sinning. Then my brother came and told me I can sin. I'm going to be annoyed at this brother.
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Why would a scripture be directed to the Jews who rejected Jesus. Judaists don't read the New Testament..
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omg

You're aware the early christians had been jews, right? That's who all those letters were initially written to.
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This thread has been officially killed. Look it up for yourself. The scripture OP quoted was taken out of context. If you even read your bible you will understand he was talking about going back to living by the law to justify ones self after already accepting Jesus as lord and savior.
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Why would a scripture be directed to the Jews who rejected Jesus. Judaists don't read the New Testament..
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omg

You're aware the early christians had been jews, right? That's who all those letters were initially written to.
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Judaists........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW JESUS CHRIST PLEASE

THE JEWS WHO REJECTED JESUS ! YOU GUYS CAUSED ME TO SIN I HOPE YOUR PLEASED. YOUR FATHER IS.

Not you Canadian anonymous coward who I'm quoting bless you.

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Why would a scripture be directed to the Jews who rejected Jesus. Judaists don't read the New Testament..
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omg

You're aware the early christians had been jews, right? That's who all those letters were initially written to.
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Yes, OP clearly has no idea what he's talking about.
But that's okay. There is still time to learn OP :)
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My relationship with Jesus is awesome, matter a fact he is using me to attempt to correct your false in biblical, contradicting doctrine.

Here is a scenario, 2 years after being sinless you are walking on the streets and you see a pretty women and you lust, you just sinned after being sinless for 2 years! You forget to repent, and 5 minutes later you cross the street and get hit by a car and die. According to you, if that scenario I just made up you would be going to hell because Jesus left you.

If you can't see how messed up and in biblical that is then you are greatly deceived my friend. I pray Jesus opens your eyes.

God will never leave or forsake you once you're saved, I guess you missed the 10 PLUS verses saying that lol I mean really.
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You have no relationship with Jesus. Pray to him about this subject I BEG you.

It's not slipping up that is condemn able, if your scenario happened I dare say I would be forgiven.

It's living a life of sin like you do, a life of sin where you think it's OK. Where you think it's justified. It's living a life of sin. If you have a sinful lifestyle you will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If you slip up and show remorse and pray for forgiveness you will be forgiven.

You are on the broad road to destruction, narrow is the path to life. Few choose the narrow path.

How can Jesus die for your sins if you don't crucify your sins with him ? You're still living with your sins so they didn't die with Jesus !
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Dude you don't even know who I am, and how do you even know I am living in sin? Heck the only sin Ive been doing is the occasional cussing and as soon as I slip up and cuss I ask Jesus to forgive me. I've been repenting everyday as a child for years before I even picked up a bible and read it I had a relationship with Jesus.

You are greatly deceived and spreading false doctrine like this leads people away fro ever wanted to be saved because they think they have to WORK to get into heaven instead of receiving the FREE gift of everlasting life through Jesus dying on the cross paying for our sins.
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Matthew 7:16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Your fruits are the justification of sin. I can't debate anymore, this shouldn't be a debate !

I will pray for you but I will now personally leave you in your sin. I'm truly sorry.
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Really man? Really? I'm done, you won, this is pointless at this point. And I'll be praying for you.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
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Matthew 5 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Here's what it boils down to. This is a creative command, no different than Let there be light". It's going to occur whether we like it or not. We can learn the currents and go with the flow, or do it the hard way - it matters little.
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And that's exactly it too. And OP check it out, there are even Jewish Christians today. They are called messianic Jews. They grew up Jewish, but then later in life came to learn that Jesus is lord and savior through study of the bible and prophecy. So yes, it was directed at Jews. He was basically telling them not to go back living under the law. For by the law no flesh is saved :)
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Why would a scripture be directed to the Jews who rejected Jesus. Judaists don't read the New Testament..
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omg

You're aware the early christians had been jews, right? That's who all those letters were initially written to.
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Judaists........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW JESUS CHRIST PLEASE

THE JEWS WHO REJECTED JESUS ! YOU GUYS CAUSED ME TO SIN I HOPE YOUR PLEASED. YOUR FATHER IS.

Not you Canadian anonymous coward who I'm quoting bless you.
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Confirmed your understanding of the bible is horrible, is this a joke? If so you are a very good troll, good night and I hope you are pretending to be a sinless perfect Christian.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
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And don't get me wrong OP, weare not to live as if we have a license to sin. But, if we so slip up and fall into sin(which we are bound to do because the flesh is weak) we will still be forgiven. It is only when he comes back and we are transformed, made perfect in his image, that we will no longer be capable of sin. We will have already expressed our free will and chosen Christ. The battle will be won. No more sin.
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Can you refrain from posting religious material on a conspiracy site please ?
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Religion is a pretty big, pretty old mindfuck, yes?

cheers
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Damn, people are shitting their pants over Jesus. There is a lot to this

Never seen so much anger over something they don't believe in
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Largely what people are angry over is widespread hypocrisy and leavened BS. Most normal people are fine with what Jesus taught whether they believe in Him or not. It's about being good to each other, and most GLPers are onboard.
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I see it too but this is the fallen nature of man. Society has been absolutely thrashed and after 911 it went into overdrive
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Why are you judging him? Very strange behaviour
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He has been justifying sin all night. Those who have a relationship with Jesus won't justify sin.

God bless you
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Well I haven't been here to see this, but he clearly proclaims that he loves God (can't you read his spirit?)
All the brethren under his name are one, or at least that is what is intended to be.
Maybe I just don't understand
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I accept him as a brother and I bless him as a brother but we MUST NOT SIN.
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So do you believe judging someone is a sin? I am not heckling you, just trying to understand the situation.
I guess you and the other guy have talked a fair bit in the past?
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Why would a scripture be directed to the Jews who rejected Jesus. Judaists don't read the New Testament..
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omg

You're aware the early christians had been jews, right? That's who all those letters were initially written to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52621665


Judaists........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW JESUS CHRIST PLEASE

THE JEWS WHO REJECTED JESUS ! YOU GUYS CAUSED ME TO SIN I HOPE YOUR PLEASED. YOUR FATHER IS.

Not you Canadian anonymous coward who I'm quoting bless you.
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Confirmed your understanding of the bible is horrible, is this a joke? If so you are a very good troll, good night and I hope you are pretending to be a sinless perfect Christian.
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Yes his knowledge of scripture is confirmed as horrible. If he is a troll he is a good one, as you said. If not, I hope he is open to learn the truth and cast down his self righteousness and take hold of his righteousness through Christ.
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I agree that we should continue repenting and that we should continue to try to stay away from sin. I don't agree with your conclusion though. I think you may have misinterpreted something.

Parable of the lost sheep comes to mind...

Also, here's the math:
Thread: Math of Salvation
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So OP if we must not sin then by saying that it means that your salvation is UP TO YOU. Not Jesus. You are saying that your salvation relys soully on the condition that you do not sin. Sounds like you are working for your salvation. Sounds like it's up to you, not Jesus.
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And that's exactly it too. And OP check it out, there are even Jewish Christians today. They are called messianic Jews. They grew up Jewish, but then later in life came to learn that Jesus is lord and savior through study of the bible and prophecy. So yes, it was directed at Jews. He was basically telling them not to go back living under the law. For by the law no flesh is saved :)
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They are some of the strongest believers
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lol
no sorry my friend
it does not work like that.
wisdom does not come from restraining yourself.
wisdom is from enjoying life.
Yes treat others as you like to be treated
but you can enter the kingdom simply because you


are ALREADY IN IT...YOU WERE BORN IN IT
SO TO SPEAK.

STOP WORRYING ABOUT NOT BEING WORTHY.
THEE ALL MIGHTY ONE THAT YOU ARE PART OF
IS UNCONDITIONAL AND LOVES YOU K.
hf
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Hey OP a word of advice: that avatar might give off the wrong impression to others.
Mosaic law was completed at Calvary
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As I said, I officially killed this thread. Let's all leave it alone. Unless OP wants to have a real talk about god :)
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Your teaching is misguided my friend. Jesus death makes us right with the Father.

Nothing we do/did is enough to save us its what He has done through Christ, His grace saves, not our 'not sinning.'

We are all sinners, although some who accept Christ are the redeemed. Christ alone can save, not our good behaviour else why did Christ come to earth and die in our place?
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As I said, I officially killed this thread. Let's all leave it alone. Unless OP wants to have a real talk about god :)
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Excuse me, can you please capitalize the Most High. Thanks:)
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If my father told me I must not sin, and smacked me for sinning. Then my brother came and told me I can sin. I'm going to be annoyed at this brother.
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omg

You're aware the early christians had been jews, right? That's who all those letters were initially written to.
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Judaists........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW JESUS CHRIST PLEASE

THE JEWS WHO REJECTED JESUS ! YOU GUYS CAUSED ME TO SIN I HOPE YOUR PLEASED. YOUR FATHER IS.

Not you Canadian anonymous coward who I'm quoting bless you.
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Confirmed your understanding of the bible is horrible, is this a joke? If so you are a very good troll, good night and I hope you are pretending to be a sinless perfect Christian.
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Yes his knowledge of scripture is confirmed as horrible. If he is a troll he is a good one, as you said. If not, I hope he is open to learn the truth and cast down his self righteousness and take hold of his righteousness through Christ.
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I was talking about the Judaists. They would never read the New Testament, so it's irrelevant to them. Once you believe in Christ you're a Christian so the 'Jews' are just the same as us.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,


It says if we willfully sin. Not if we willfully tie ourselves up with the law.
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No false teaching be careful

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Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.