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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33776046 United States 02/01/2014 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the same forces that cause electrons to orbit protons and neutrons and interactions with other atoms is why the golden ratio exists. whether that was created by some "god" or just the positive and negative attractive electrical forces present in these sub-atomic molecules is speculative at best. also there could have been a point when venus was able to harbor life or even mars. we could lose the ability to harbor live with just a change in solar activity. its all a roll of the dice |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You argue because you want to believe. Those forces you speak of act with intelligence otherwise there would be nothing to speak of. Are you so arrogant as to presume that intelligence is happenstance? Roll of the dice you say? Who roles those dice? Energy is never destroyed it only changes form. From whence did the energy first derive? There are physical laws in science. They are not invented but discovered by men. Why would random chance create laws at all? for what purpose? why bother with gravity or light or any of it? why are their creatures who with their own awareness can perceive these laws? If all started with entropy what would cause that object at rest to suddenly be put into motion? what first cause? why first cause? To pretend to know enough to dismiss it all to random chance is the epitome of arrogance and stupidity. the same forces that cause electrons to orbit protons and neutrons and interactions with other atoms is why the golden ratio exists. whether that was created by some "god" or just the positive and negative attractive electrical forces present in these sub-atomic molecules is speculative at best. also there could have been a point when venus was able to harbor life or even mars. we could lose the ability to harbor live with just a change in solar activity. its all a roll of the dice Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33776046 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33776046 United States 02/01/2014 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You argue because you want to believe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 Those forces you speak of act with intelligence otherwise there would be nothing to speak of. Are you so arrogant as to presume that intelligence is happenstance? Roll of the dice you say? Who roles those dice? Energy is never destroyed it only changes form. From whence did the energy first derive? There are physical laws in science. They are not invented but discovered by men. Why would random chance create laws at all? for what purpose? why bother with gravity or light or any of it? why are their creatures who with their own awareness can perceive these laws? If all started with entropy what would cause that object at rest to suddenly be put into motion? what first cause? why first cause? To pretend to know enough to dismiss it all to random chance is the epitome of arrogance and stupidity. the same forces that cause electrons to orbit protons and neutrons and interactions with other atoms is why the golden ratio exists. whether that was created by some "god" or just the positive and negative attractive electrical forces present in these sub-atomic molecules is speculative at best. also there could have been a point when venus was able to harbor life or even mars. we could lose the ability to harbor live with just a change in solar activity. its all a roll of the dice Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33776046 what created this creator why is it more logical that intelligence is eternal and that energy is not? why would it be illogical to believe that energy is eternal and that it had to be created? To me that seems more paradoxical. these are my beliefs i am not stating that i am atheist i am just stating that i don't see enough evidence to say there is a god. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52814070 Canada 02/01/2014 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Logic Fail. If we are defining God as intelligence IF does not equal IS IF does equal supposition. Intelligence I postulate is the existence of an awareness or consciousness POSTULATE doe not equal FACT POSTULATE does equal ASSUME. The opposite of intelligence is chaos. NO, it's not. Logic fail. Your PROOF is based on your IFs, assumptions and a stupid conclusion that the opposite of intelligence is chaos. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51753516 United States 02/01/2014 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, when you get the definition of atheist wrong in the first sentence, it's hard for me to go and read the rest... so I'm not. But if you have proof, please submit it to the news and congrats on all the Nobel prizes you're about to win for being the first person to prove god(s). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no sir it is your logic which has failed. Do us all a favor and define the God that you do not believe in? Logic Fail. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52814070 If we are defining God as intelligence IF does not equal IS IF does equal supposition. Intelligence I postulate is the existence of an awareness or consciousness POSTULATE doe not equal FACT POSTULATE does equal ASSUME. The opposite of intelligence is chaos. NO, it's not. Logic fail. Your PROOF is based on your IFs, assumptions and a stupid conclusion that the opposite of intelligence is chaos. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, when you get the definition of atheist wrong in the first sentence, it's hard for me to go and read the rest... so I'm not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51753516 But if you have proof, please submit it to the news and congrats on all the Nobel prizes you're about to win for being the first person to prove god(s). |
beebee User ID: 53720626 Canada 02/01/2014 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 The fact is that there is intelligence built into the universe and that intelligence must have been emitted from some kind of consciousness. That is God. Undeniable proof. Couldn't agree more!! Yet, I'm constantly called an "atheist" at best and a "Satanist" at worst. Why? Because I refuse to acknowledge the demented, psychopathic, blood-thirsty, biblical god as that intelligence you speak of. beebee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51753516 United States 02/01/2014 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 The fact is that there is intelligence built into the universe and that intelligence must have been emitted from some kind of consciousness. That is God. Undeniable proof. Couldn't agree more!! Yet, I'm constantly called an "atheist" at best and a "Satanist" at worst. Why? Because I refuse to acknowledge the demented, psychopathic, blood-thirsty, biblical god as that intelligence you speak of. So you're a deist/polydeist then? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are not an atheist then. Greetings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 The fact is that there is intelligence built into the universe and that intelligence must have been emitted from some kind of consciousness. That is God. Undeniable proof. Couldn't agree more!! Yet, I'm constantly called an "atheist" at best and a "Satanist" at worst. Why? Because I refuse to acknowledge the demented, psychopathic, blood-thirsty, biblical god as that intelligence you speak of. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 The fact is that there is intelligence built into the universe and that intelligence must have been emitted from some kind of consciousness. That is God. Undeniable proof. Couldn't agree more!! Yet, I'm constantly called an "atheist" at best and a "Satanist" at worst. Why? Because I refuse to acknowledge the demented, psychopathic, blood-thirsty, biblical god as that intelligence you speak of. So you're a deist/polydeist then? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52814070 Canada 02/01/2014 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no sir it is your logic which has failed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 Do us all a favor and define the God that you do not believe in? Logic Fail. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52814070 If we are defining God as intelligence IF does not equal IS IF does equal supposition. Intelligence I postulate is the existence of an awareness or consciousness POSTULATE doe not equal FACT POSTULATE does equal ASSUME. The opposite of intelligence is chaos. NO, it's not. Logic fail. Your PROOF is based on your IFs, assumptions and a stupid conclusion that the opposite of intelligence is chaos. ha ha, you are so funny. To an atheist, god is an idea, a construct, a fabrication. There is no requirement for it to exist in order to not believe in it. Come, let us talk about the million story building in new york. The highest in the world? Don't believe me? Do us all a favor and define the million story building that you do not believe in? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Analogy fail. A million story building in New York is a single object located in a specific location. If you look it is either there or not there. God is something entirely different. We are not looking for a single object we are looking for the effect of an intelligent force. You don't look for wind to know it is there, you see it's effect on the trees, on the water, the feel of it on your skin. Do you believe in Love? You cannot see it or measure it. Do you believe in sadness? Love and sadness are shared by every human - how is that possible that we all share this hard to define, vague feeling called love or sadness? Where is this thing Love located? why does it exist at all? why do we all share it? It certainly has no evolutionary benefit. Imagine that you don't everything there is to know. Imagine that it is possible that there is a supreme intelligence which created and maintains the universe. Does it take something away from you to believe that? How do you explain that a spiral galaxy a billion light years away from Earth contains the same mathematical algorithm that controls the way the hair grows from the top of your head? What does random chance theory have to do with that? Admit the intelligence. Admit your arrogance. Be humbled before the awe of something that you cannot ever rationalize yourself away from. no sir it is your logic which has failed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52417248 Do us all a favor and define the God that you do not believe in? Logic Fail. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52814070 If we are defining God as intelligence IF does not equal IS IF does equal supposition. Intelligence I postulate is the existence of an awareness or consciousness POSTULATE doe not equal FACT POSTULATE does equal ASSUME. The opposite of intelligence is chaos. NO, it's not. Logic fail. Your PROOF is based on your IFs, assumptions and a stupid conclusion that the opposite of intelligence is chaos. ha ha, you are so funny. To an atheist, god is an idea, a construct, a fabrication. There is no requirement for it to exist in order to not believe in it. Come, let us talk about the million story building in new york. The highest in the world? Don't believe me? Do us all a favor and define the million story building that you do not believe in? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52417248 United States 02/01/2014 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can you prove that? "The distance of the sun from the Earth and the distance of the moon from Earth are so perfectly balanced that if either was off by a single degree life would not exist on this planet. That is intelligence." Quoting: Super Bowl Dave With the size of the universe, and how many planets are out there, we would expect this unlikely scenario to occur at least once. |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 37781229 Netherlands 02/01/2014 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can you prove that? Quoting: Anonymous OP 52417248 "The distance of the sun from the Earth and the distance of the moon from Earth are so perfectly balanced that if either was off by a single degree life would not exist on this planet. That is intelligence." Quoting: Super Bowl Dave With the size of the universe, and how many planets are out there, we would expect this unlikely scenario to occur at least once. Oh, the irony... Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39131405 United Kingdom 02/01/2014 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hate to break it to you my friend, but there is no out there. Every thing in your experience is created within you based on information sent from your sensory organs to some location where it is processed and created. Light does not enter the brain. It is made there. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9094168 United Kingdom 02/01/2014 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An atheist is defined as a person who denies the existence of God/Deity. First it is ironic to note that the very definition of Atheist presupposes that there is in fact a God to not believe in. I know, I know that is simply a trick of semantics. some atheist do deny the existence of a god/deity, others do not BELIEVE there is a god/deity. The two are seperate ideas. Your second sentence is also wrong: denying the existence of something does not prove the thing exists; I deny the existence of pixies, therefore they exist. I skipped most of the rest because if you start wrong then who knows how bad it will become... then we get to this: ".. The fact is that there is intelligence built into the universe.." you said FACT.. you have not demonstrated this, nor have you demonstrated INTELLIGENCE. you still need to show proof. All you have done is look around, seen something pretty and said "AH.. this MUST have been created by a god." The ONLY proof of gods existence is GOD. Bring forth your god. |
Manu-K User ID: 37755563 Spain 02/02/2014 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can argue the existence of a creator and I may listen. If you suddenly say that creator is Yahweh(or any other mythological god), then I stop listening. Last Edited by Manu-K on 02/02/2014 12:07 AM Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
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