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The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory?? who made it up???

 
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John Nelson Darby

Darby is credited with originating the "secret rapture" theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world before the judgments of the tribulation. Some claim that this book [what book?] was the origin of the idea of the "rapture." Dispensationalist beliefs about the fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism, because "God is able to graft them in again," and they believe that in His grace he will do so according to their understanding of Old Testament prophecy. They believe that, while the ways of God may change, His purposes to bless Israel will never be forgotten, just as He has shown unmerited favour to the Church, He will do so to a remnant of Israel to fulfill all the promises made to the genetic seed of Abraham.

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If its not pre trib it destroys the imminence of Jesus return. And the bible describes this often as the owner of the house who will return when you do not expect it. And to keep oil in our lamps lest we be without when we need it.
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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Clouds is meant groups; groups, gathering of angels.

Air is spirit

There is no one going anywhere during the change spoken of at the occurrence of the 7th trump. Christ is coming here and staying here all the way through the millennium until after the great white throne of judgment after which God brings heaven here with Him

It all happens HERE.. Not up in the clouds playing harps.

Now where satan might take those that are ready to fly away is another thing altogether. So he may have some snatching away event planned. But it Will only happen before The only begotten Son of God returns.

Hold fast to your crowns. Means don't be decieved because we have been foretold all things Plus given power over serpents and scorpions. But only when we have Gods wisdom sealed in our minds.
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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yes pre is made up in 1830
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If its not pre trib it destroys the imminence of Jesus return. And the bible describes this often as the owner of the house who will return when you do not expect it. And to keep oil in our lamps lest we be without when we need it.
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thanks AC exactly but as you seen in video many are misled
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Why exactly does pre / post trib, make such a huge difference?

For example, regardless if it's pre / post, I believe one should still focus on living a righteous life.
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Sounds closer to what I believe.

I think it will happen in this order:

1). Earthquake (just like the one at the time of Jesus resurrection, then they went into the city and ministered).

2). Those who have died in Christ will rise first.

3). There will be a gathering together unto him.

4). A time of ministry 30-40 days...(Provided for and protected in a place like Goshen).



Clouds is meant groups; groups, gathering of angels.

Air is spirit

There is no one going anywhere during the change spoken of at the occurrence of the 7th trump. Christ is coming here and staying here all the way through the millennium until after the great white throne of judgment after which God brings heaven here with Him

It all happens HERE.. Not up in the clouds playing harps.

Now where satan might take those that are ready to fly away is another thing altogether. So he may have some snatching away event planned. But it Will only happen before The only begotten Son of God returns.

Hold fast to your crowns. Means don't be decieved because we have been foretold all things Plus given power over serpents and scorpions. But only when we have Gods wisdom sealed in our minds.
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Calvinism.
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If its not pre trib it destroys the imminence of Jesus return. And the bible describes this often as the owner of the house who will return when you do not expect it. And to keep oil in our lamps lest we be without when we need it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21251186


Why exactly does pre / post trib, make such a huge difference?

For example, regardless if it's pre / post, I believe one should still focus on living a righteous life.
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Most will least expect Christ when they think He is already here. Except it will not be Christ but instead satan having been firmly shaken from heaven out onto the earth. We need the oil to keep our lights burning thru the tribulation of satan who comes playing God. Christ said He expects the fire already kindled when He returns and without oil there will be no one standing to bring forth fire or light.


Righteous in Christ is truth.. Righteous yet being decieved that the devil is Christ is just plain decieved having run out of oil and and bowed ones knee. Satan comes transformed, better said disguised, as an angel of light. He will be bring what looks, sounds, and even feels like righteousness but it will be his primary weapon used to war against God and His saints.
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I feel for those who are deceived into denying a Pre-Trib Rapture. Good luck "Rambo Christians" I will be with my Lord but you have fun down here in hell.
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Sounds closer to what I believe.

I think it will happen in this order:

1). Earthquake (just like the one at the time of Jesus resurrection, then they went into the city and ministered).

2). Those who have died in Christ will rise first.

3). There will be a gathering together unto him.

4). A time of ministry 30-40 days...(Provided for and protected in a place like Goshen).



Clouds is meant groups; groups, gathering of angels.

Air is spirit

There is no one going anywhere during the change spoken of at the occurrence of the 7th trump. Christ is coming here and staying here all the way through the millennium until after the great white throne of judgment after which God brings heaven here with Him

It all happens HERE.. Not up in the clouds playing harps.

Now where satan might take those that are ready to fly away is another thing altogether. So he may have some snatching away event planned. But it Will only happen before The only begotten Son of God returns.

Hold fast to your crowns. Means don't be decieved because we have been foretold all things Plus given power over serpents and scorpions. But only when we have Gods wisdom sealed in our minds.
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 Quoting: rod777


Our fore fathers who died in Christ have already risen. They are already home. God is the God of the Living.. All return to Him either in Christ or still spiritually dead when the silver chord is parted. There is no need for the physical body anymore after it dies.

The earth will shake when satan is cast out at the 6th trump. Not nearly like it will though when the Christ returns at the 7th.

As for the dead in Christ rising first mentioned above. Be aware satan will bring many fallen angels with him all in spiritual bodies and will would be within his power to use them to feign a resurrection of dead and fool those who are ignorant to where the dead are once they pass from the flesh in this world.
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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your are wrong...it makes sense why the Lord says he comes
as a thief in the night...meaning most will not expect it
(will not believe it)
Your issue should be directed at
Paul who under the inspiration of the Spirit spoke of a
moment...in the twinkling of an eye...the true Christian
church would be taken up. Pretty simple stuff from a God
who has us living on a planet hanging in the middle of
space,in a world which matches the days of Noah which
btw was when Jesus himself said it would occur something
to consider.
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The entire "Rapture" IS a theory.
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strange thing that Christians disagree about.

The apostle Paul clearly states a pretrib rapture to the Thessalonians prompting them angst that they had already missed it.

1820 my foot.

These new converts shortly after Christ's earthly ministry saw daily life taking place as normal but suspected that the secret event happened leaving them behind. Where did they get the idea of a secret rapture that they had missed?

Don't give me Matthew 24. That is specifically to the "Jew" and I believe it is for after the man of sin is revealed.

By the way, Christ will resurrect us, the only people who concern themselves with the rapture are the living which the graveyards are already full of Christians already passed and room for more.

Worry about salvation.
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Enoch & Elijah were "taken".
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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I agree with this 100%.

And believe people's belief in the Rapture makes them stop caring about trying to better the world around them. They end up with a 'Fuck it, let the sinners be tortured, I'll be in Heaven laughing!' attitude.
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wow Thor thanks , yes just like law , did you watch video
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I feel for those who are deceived into denying a Pre-Trib Rapture. Good luck "Rambo Christians" I will be with my Lord but you have fun down here in hell.
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Dear fool who judges others,

WHERE DOES JESUS CHRIST SAY I HAVE TO BELIEVE IN A RAPTURE???WHERE DOES GOD SAY I HAVE TO BELIEVE IN A RAPTURE?

WTF does believing in the rapture have to do with being a good child of God?
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Even Jesus Christ's supposed words were written by men a couple hundred years after he died.
There is no guarantee that these men that wrote about him are not lying. I don't trust anyone that "channels" information.
Just who or what are they rally channeling????
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I feel for those who are deceived into denying a Pre-Trib Rapture. Good luck "Rambo Christians" I will be with my Lord but you have fun down here in hell.
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Dear fool who judges others,

WHERE DOES JESUS CHRIST SAY I HAVE TO BELIEVE IN A RAPTURE???WHERE DOES GOD SAY I HAVE TO BELIEVE IN A RAPTURE?

WTF does believing in the rapture have to do with being a good child of God?
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Even Jesus Christ's supposed words were written by men a couple hundred years after he died.
There is no guarantee that these men that wrote about him are not lying. I don't trust anyone that "channels" information.
Just who or what are they *really* channeling????
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*really*
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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I agree with this 100%.

And believe people's belief in the Rapture makes them stop caring about trying to better the world around them. They end up with a 'Fuck it, let the sinners be tortured, I'll be in Heaven laughing!' attitude.
 Quoting: NewThor


Exactly, that's one of the reasons. Some more:
- In the times of Noah, it didn't happen
- The one you know as Jesus, himself, came here to suffer and die, to show us that its possible to thrive over sin with the help of the Almighty. And YOU, reading this, are not better. You will suffer, you will see your friends and family suffer.
- "In a blinking of an eye" of who's perspective? Ours or God's?
- "Like a thief in the night", can have several different meanings, but the main one is it will be "unexpected", this refered to the second coming, not a "rapture"
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None know what will happen.
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It appears to me that MANY Christians believe God's main purpose is to be their travel guide and host in Heaven.
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Many are decieved as it was written would happen.

They don't understand that to be kept from trial is to be armed before hand with the irrefutable truth and the blessings of God that He might use them by example to later redeem the rest.

They don't understand that the second test is for those that fail the first trial having not taken on the full armor of God.

Everyone will be armed with the full truth Thor, now or later after many lessons in tough love that they might make a righteous and fair choice. God knows what each child of His needs.
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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I agree with this 100%.

And believe people's belief in the Rapture makes them stop caring about trying to better the world around them. They end up with a 'Fuck it, let the sinners be tortured, I'll be in Heaven laughing!' attitude.
 Quoting: NewThor


wow Thor thanks , yes just like law , did you watch video
 Quoting: Goofy for God


No. I'm at work, but it gets on my nerves when people imply that to be a good Christian you have to believe in the Rapture.

I'm not sure how spending a single moment thinking about the rapture makes you a better Christian, or where they get this idea that you are NOT a Christian if you do not believe in the Rapture.
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In the video that is what he says and explains how America and some of Europe hangs on to false teachings that we are not going to suffer, I never believed we would miss out tribulation , and actually birth pains speeding up
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For those who have not watched the video , he explains , none of The Church has missed out on 5 of the Seals and will not on the 6th , that a man 1830 started this false teaching we would miss out on Tribulation
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There is no rapture, pre, mid or post. Its just a myth/misinterpretation.
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I agree with this 100%.

And believe people's belief in the Rapture makes them stop caring about trying to better the world around them. They end up with a 'Fuck it, let the sinners be tortured, I'll be in Heaven laughing!' attitude.
 Quoting: NewThor


Exactly, that's one of the reasons. Some more:
- In the times of Noah, it didn't happen
- The one you know as Jesus, himself, came here to suffer and die, to show us that its possible to thrive over sin with the help of the Almighty. And YOU, reading this, are not better. You will suffer, you will see your friends and family suffer.
- "In a blinking of an eye" of who's perspective? Ours or God's?
- "Like a thief in the night", can have several different meanings, but the main one is it will be "unexpected", this refered to the second coming, not a "rapture"
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingU


That's my MAIN belief.

JESUS died. I will die too.
 Quoting: NewThor


That's one of the worst christians nightmare: Death.
Hypocrisy is so deep on them, that the know, deep down, they don't deserve whatever they preach to be rewarded after death. They all know, that their lives are so filthy that they don't deserve to be on God's grace. But they have to preach it, they must see others doing it, because they can't do it themselves. They believe that "saving" someone else, by showing them an all mercyfull God, will buy them a place in the heaven in the afterlife. The thing is, they do the opposite of what they preach.
They say not to judge, but try to do something they are against.
They say turn the other cheek, but try to question their beliefs
They say truth is on their side, but try to show something they did wrong
They say repent of your sins, but try to point that seeing someone else's sin, is a sin itself
They say the bible is the only thing they follow, but try to argue that they are distorting it to their will
They say they love one another, but how many christians really DO something for the ones in need
They say faith is gonna save you, but try to tell them that faith is within, not without
They pray for things they want, but not that often to say thanks even for their misfortune
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I agree with this 100%.

And believe people's belief in the Rapture makes them stop caring about trying to better the world around them. They end up with a 'Fuck it, let the sinners be tortured, I'll be in Heaven laughing!' attitude.
 Quoting: NewThor


wow Thor thanks , yes just like law , did you watch video
 Quoting: Goofy for God


No. I'm at work, but it gets on my nerves when people imply that to be a good Christian you have to believe in the Rapture.

I'm not sure how spending a single moment thinking about the rapture makes you a better Christian, or where they get this idea that you are NOT a Christian if you do not believe in the Rapture.
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In the video that is what he says and explains how America and some of Europe hangs on to false teachings that we are not going to suffer, I never believed we would miss out tribulation , and actually birth pains speeding up
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Many things in this world to suffer over right now if we dwell on them. Certainly it will get tougher. But God promised His election that "Not one hair would be harmed". The two witnesses have a different role in Gods plan and will be killed to make a point. But just like Paul when delivered up to antipas being Herod, God will protect His own that take on His armor and apply just a little common sense. There are pleanty other examples of Gods capability to keep one safe while surrounded in trouble if He can use that child in execution of His will.

I will check out the video, thx for posting.
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churchlady could it be............ SATAN?
J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil. vs20: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word."

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Sounds closer to what I believe.

I think it will happen in this order:

1). Earthquake (just like the one at the time of Jesus resurrection, then they went into the city and ministered).

2). Those who have died in Christ will rise first, and be joined together, with those of us who remain.

3). There will be a gathering together unto him, this will be the true church. The Ecklesia.

4). A time of ministry 30-40 days...(Provided for and protected in a place like Goshen).


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The pre-trib theory is correct. The problem comes in because most believe in a 7 year great tribulation, which is incorrect, it's only 3.50 years long.

Jesus returns for His bride right at the start of the last 3.50 years.





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