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LSD helps to treat alcoholism ! What do you think?

 
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From the personal experience of a family member, I can share that heavy LSD use as a teenager and young adult (friend was in a travelling, semi-successful rock band in the 1970's), results in permanently changing the brain in terms of brain serotonin uptake.

The person is 'hooked' on anything that duplicates the 'pleasure'.

This includes future alcohol addiction.

It goes both ways. The alcoholic wants drugs again.

So really, from the level of physiology, there is no difference between intoxicants of any kind.

What is not discussed by the medical literature, of course, are the social, empathic, and spiritual results of 'masturbating your mind' with hallucinogens.,, which include alcohol.

The only treatment is abstinence, backed by the decision to totally renounce this form of self-destructive behavior.
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Misuse is tragic, and yet I find the thought of end of life patients feeling less fear of death to be a rather humane use of this drug.
I just can't see repeat use of this drug. The problem is it can damage you from the first try.
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From the personal experience of a family member, I can share that heavy LSD use as a teenager and young adult (friend was in a travelling, semi-successful rock band in the 1970's), results in permanently changing the brain in terms of brain serotonin uptake.

The person is 'hooked' on anything that duplicates the 'pleasure'.

This includes future alcohol addiction.

It goes both ways. The alcoholic wants drugs again.

So really, from the level of physiology, there is no difference between intoxicants of any kind.

What is not discussed by the medical literature, of course, are the social, empathic, and spiritual results of 'masturbating your mind' with hallucinogens.,, which include alcohol.

The only treatment is abstinence, backed by the decision to totally renounce this form of self-destructive behavior.
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Misuse is tragic, and yet I find the thought of end of life patients feeling less fear of death to be a rather humane use of this drug.
I just can't see repeat use of this drug. The problem is it can damage you from the first try.
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With proper preparation and administration there is practically no way LSD can damage you.
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As opposed to treating alcoholism with ... no alcohol.
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LSD was found to be helpful in the treatment of severe depression also. If given to end of life patients it greatly diminishes the fear of death.
I've never used LSD or shrooms but I 'd be interested in well sat experimentation before I leave this earth.

Acid dreams is a very interesting read on LSD. Government use and development and many studies captured within.
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it truly does matter the mood you have when you begin.
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I would not pour gas on the fire.
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Why in the world would anyone have 'fear of death'?

(Your answer will tell you more about yourself than you want to admit.)
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I would not pour gas on the fire.
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great point.
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Is this a comedy?
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Is this a comedy?
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Gotta laugh, right?
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It sounds like the cure is worse than the alcoholism! That would be one big step up the drug abuse ladder.
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can you become so addicted to it?
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No, you will get tired of LSD long before you can become addicted, even psychologically...but while tripping, you can easily drink twice your body weight and not be drunk...but of course I wouldn't know because I don't do drugs...


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While LSD is known to cure alcoholism, it's too unpredictable for me to try it...

also I'm not an alcoholic
a good herb is all I need.
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From personal experience I can say:

LSD 100% cured my major depression and alcohol abuse (almost immediately with no relapses over 15 years later, but I did trip >100 times over a period of 2 years).

LSD is not at all addictive (no matter how much you do).


but... I do NOT recommend LSD for everyone.
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My Mensa brother, who is in Heaven now, lived at Haight Ashbury in the '60s. He 'dropped acid' like people, oh, let's see, smoke a marijuana cigarette, you might say. I have never taken LSD in my life. Not for me at all. No way.

What I HAVE read about LSD usage is that one of the uses of it is that it is used in the mind controls programs for years and even decades. So it's been used for many 'reasons'.

He also in later years recovered from alcoholism through 12 step program. He died from what started as leukemia and later malignant melanoma, while living a life of horror in his last days through the use of chemo and radiation. It was just incredibly horrible. I was there to witness part of it.

I might add that he served in the Navy in the 60s, prior to his hippie stage. I have many times wondered where that damned cancer came from. It was violent and massive. Oh, and he didn't smoke any cigarettes.

LSD as an idea for use in alcoholism is, to me, absolutely an insane idea. I'll have to go back up and read the entire article, when I get a minute.
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Figuring out what need you are either satisfying or trying to satisfy with drugs/alcohol and then figuring out how to fulfill that need without drugs & alcohol is how you beat addiction. Addiction isn't a disease......sorry. That's a cop out. Get busy figuring yourself out and how to meet your needs without it....that's the cure.

This is why relapse rates from treatment are so high. You can't just flick off old behavior patterns like a light switch because someone gives you 12 steps to live by. When you do it that way, you are figuring it out someone else's way...not YOUR way. After you get out of rehab and you're still essentially the same you as when you went in (just sober now), guess what happens? Relapse...

Bring the hate 12 steppers, lol.
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There is no one cure all for anyone, we are all unique in our chemistry and makeup...what may help one person could send another off the side of a bridge...counseling is where it needs to begin, by a qualified and intelligent counselor that knows how to ask the right questions and run the right tests.

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DMT.
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Natural is the best way, it takes years to arrive at the bottom, it takes years to repair your body. Fresh fruit and veggies, lots of outdoor activity, and maintaining distance from negative people where feasible.
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Figuring out what need you are either satisfying or trying to satisfy with drugs/alcohol and then figuring out how to fulfill that need without drugs & alcohol is how you beat addiction. Addiction isn't a disease......sorry. That's a cop out. Get busy figuring yourself out and how to meet your needs without it....that's the cure.

This is why relapse rates from treatment are so high. You can't just flick off old behavior patterns like a light switch because someone gives you 12 steps to live by. When you do it that way, you are figuring it out someone else's way...not YOUR way. After you get out of rehab and you're still essentially the same you as when you went in (just sober now), guess what happens? Relapse...

Bring the hate 12 steppers, lol.
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I completely agree with you, well said.
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Why in the world would anyone have 'fear of death'?

(Your answer will tell you more about yourself than you want to admit.)
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Pain and fear of death. That is acute coronary syndrome. Its a reflex. Really heavy sweating is common too.

If you suddenly get a crushing sense of doom and fear of death, you're either reading huff po or having a heart attack.
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My husband and I used LSD a lot in the mid 90's, never became addicted, and never did more than one or two hits (paper) at a time... But.. you couldn't get drunk (or at least not at all easily) while under the influence of LSD... so maybe that's why it treats alcoholism lol
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Figuring out what need you are either satisfying or trying to satisfy with drugs/alcohol and then figuring out how to fulfill that need without drugs & alcohol is how you beat addiction. Addiction isn't a disease......sorry. That's a cop out. Get busy figuring yourself out and how to meet your needs without it....that's the cure.

This is why relapse rates from treatment are so high. You can't just flick off old behavior patterns like a light switch because someone gives you 12 steps to live by. When you do it that way, you are figuring it out someone else's way...not YOUR way. After you get out of rehab and you're still essentially the same you as when you went in (just sober now), guess what happens? Relapse...

Bring the hate 12 steppers, lol.
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I can tell you what works for me and legions of others who wish to take the suggestions in said 12 step program. My mom used to have an acquaintance who liked to quote her child stating that the 12 step program "didn't work". I don't know what my mom said, if anything, to her, but my mom's two children successfully have recovered from a seemingly hopeless condition of MIND and BODY, and for decades.

I agree that there is more than just the cessation of drinking alcohol, if one IS an alcoholic. Doing that inside cleansing, which includes getting rid of resentments, forgiving others and ones self, and so on.

For me, I am forever grateful for the 12 step program because the massive drinking really was not the core problem(s). That's why I just SMH at the instant cures that people invent or discover.

The two key reasons that it doesn't work for some is that a) they are not ready to quit and b) they have a problem with the God 'concept'.

It may not be right for some. In fact, I have friends that have gotten sober and spiritual without 12 steps, and it shows. The spiritual principles of daily life are missing; they have a very difficult time getting on with others. There is a marked difference between church people that I know and those who have taken the bold 12 steps. I still love 'em though. Got to.

I have no argument with any of your comments actually, I'm simply saying what worked for me and that I am so very grateful because I wanted not only to stop, but more so to find a better way of life, whatever that was, which ended up being free and being able to function and cope in this world.

Again, the LSD idea is whacked.

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used led as a teen a and still became an alcoholic
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I think that's treating one social ill with another social ill.
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used led as a teen a and still became an alcoholic
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Light emitting diode?

Lots of people use those...
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I would imagine it could possibly be helpful in the case of detox/withdrawal by putting your mind elsewhere. As for a long-term fix, however, I think a program like AA is the best option.
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An analysis of old studies suggests LSD may have a role to play in treating alcoholism.

The powerful hallucinogen LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) has potential as a treatment for alcoholism, according to a retrospective analysis of studies published in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
some more info in the blog...
Does anybody have experience with LSD ?


[link to www.endoriot.com]
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Yeah I have experience with it and only have one thing to ask:

You think it makes more sense to get off the alcohol by becoming addicted to LSD? No thanks.
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I knew a kid once who decided to use heroin to get off the booze. I don't know what ever happened to him...
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An analysis of old studies suggests LSD may have a role to play in treating alcoholism.

The powerful hallucinogen LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) has potential as a treatment for alcoholism, according to a retrospective analysis of studies published in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
some more info in the blog...
Does anybody have experience with LSD ?


[link to www.endoriot.com]
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Yeah I have experience with it and only have one thing to ask:

You think it makes more sense to get off the alcohol by becoming addicted to LSD? No thanks.
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I knew a kid once who decided to use heroin to get off the booze. I don't know what ever happened to him...
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I would imagine it could possibly be helpful in the case of detox/withdrawal by putting your mind elsewhere. As for a long-term fix, however, I think a program like AA is the best option.
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Only solution, and it comes from within, no program will give it you:

"Just don't drink any more alcohol, not ever, no matter what."

Your decision, period.

There is a lot of success among the "do it alone crowd", you just never hear about it.





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