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Botched Surgery ? Doctors Nurses Lawyers Anyone - Would Like Your Two Cents - AND YOUR PRAYERS PLEASE

 
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I am so sorry for you, your beautiful girl and your family and OD course you will be in my prayers.
I am a nurse and for a few years did medical records review for a very ethical and successful attorney (i know, right?) All the advice you have been given is good and I know you will follow it.
My advice for navigating the course:
Remember this is not about compensation for anything you don't deserve, you will be asking that since such extraordinary and catastrophic events transpired, that a third party be sure that good and safe medical practice was performed. No one in a hospital wants bad things to happen and as long as you sincerely just want to be sure that all systems and personnel involved performed optimally you are riding the highest road. No one can argue that terrible things complicated your daughter's routine and minor procedure. You and the system and people who were involved want to be sure that any medical or system error on their part never happens again. Complications beyond their control (act of God) do happen, that's why you sign consent.
The hospital and any nurse with any sense already knows that things went wrong. No one knows why as yet. It may have involved malpractice and it may have just been terrible bad luck. But they are as invested as you in finding out and not for all BAD reasons. Play to that higher motivation when talking to everyone. ASSUME that they want the best for your daughter, because most do. This tactic will help smooth everyone's temper and assure a best outcome. There is a process that follows a suspected medical error. The hospital will iniate this review. Make an appointment today and inroduce yourself to a hostial administrator and elicit their help. Be wary and prepared for some polite double talk, but that admisitrator is responsible for making sure your daughter's care from hence forth is the BEST. Engage their sympathy and desire to help. They can. Most importantly now, everyone needs to be sure that nothing else goes wrong!
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June, 1988

Heather O'Rourke, (little girl in "Poltergeist"), 12 years old, misdiagnosed and died:

"The first sign of Heather's illness, Kathleen says, appeared in January 1987. Heather began feeling nauseous. Kathleen took her to a Kaiser facility in San Diego. "I had taken her to Kaiser three or four times that month," says Kathleen. "They kept telling me she had the flu."

[link to www.people.com]

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Such war stories! But sad to say they are all true. Let me add mine.
Had a knee replacement at what turned out to be a joint replacement the mill.
Done one day and discharged the next to a nursing home for post-op care. Leg swelled up to double its size looking like a tree trunk.
Had fever for the 3 wks I was in nursing home.
Was discharged after physical therapy signing on for out pt physical surgery. I complained that the physical therapy made the pain worse but they didn't listen.
Turned out that the surgeon cut the top of the bone off (which they do to attach prosthesis) at a slant instead of straight across. Wks went by and I was bedfast still with a fever and feeling very ill.(was allergic to bone cement)
Finally another surgeon did a revision of the procedure at which time he found that the stem of the prosthesis had gone through the side of the bone - an x-ray showed all the bone splinters. The stem went through the bone because the cut was slanted and that pushed the stem at an angle resulting in the broken bone.
Talk about poor surgery. I found out that the surgery was actually done by a physician's assistant, not the M.D.
Now, I understand that a physician's assistant can become proficient in a repetitive procedure like a knee replacement, but I signed on with a surgeon who had years of experience behind him, not a non-M.D. with who-knows-what training behind him.
I flirted with the idea of legal action but I was so sick because I was allergic to the bone cement that I was not able to jump through all the hoops necessary for that.
I regret that I didn't sue because the knee has never been normal and because I didn't take action this joint mill is still operating and doing sloppy work.
The legal litmus test seems to be whether or not the mal-practice left you with a permanent disability.
Please do whatever you as the parent can do because your daughter is not well enough to do much. She needs all her strength and focus on getting well.
Best wishes to you both.
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My daughter had surgery for endometriosis this past Tuesday.
She had hoped to have her ovaries left intact but because of the severity of the fibroids (from what I understand) they did a hysterectomy instead. Tried to do it vaginally, couldn't, had to do it abdominally.

Okay, so one of the fibroids was attached to her bladder. In removing it they either cut or tore the bladder resulting in a repair to the bladder and she had to be put on a catheter.

Let me also add here that the doctor who performed the surgery QUIT the day after this surgery. I'd like to know why? Quit voluntarily, let go, or?

She's thinking she'll be able to leave in a couple days but no, not feeling better.

Late last night they did an emergency surgery. Seems the colon had been cut during the initial surgery and had been leaking into her stomach all this time! I'm also told that they removed additional fibroids missed during the first surgery.

They had to remove part of her colon and she now has a colostomy bag in addition to the catheter.

Bladder infections??

Future colostomy???

Medical malpractice????

:brusifhei:
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Oh no! I am so sorry to hear this. I will pray for her and that whole situation.

You know from your background that you can have an attorney review those medical records and that they employ nurses in their firms for this. Or, you could just have a disinterested (in the outcome) nurse review them. Probably easier to just turn it over to the office.

I am more concerned about your daughter right now.

Did the doctor also leave town? My God! Try not to worry and just pray and turn it over to God so that you can stay intact so you can function well.
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hate to burst your bubble, but people pray to god every second to spare/save their loved ones. God doesn't listen or do anything. Saving lives is on you and those around you, not God.
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Wouldn't hurt,, God does work through people, everybody's case is different. I haven't seen any miracles personally, usually its your own immune system that does the work.
I do see how God works through people. People have various versions of God.. Still a mystery. So it wouldn't hurt to pray.
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Once you get admitted in the ICU it is hard as hell to get out of. So much more seems to go wrong in the ICU. The Doctors and nurses are use to the patients dying, and don't give it much thought. They often load you up on so many antibiotics, etc that it shuts your kidneys and liver down. Resulting in needing kidney dialysis forever.

In addition, it is not uncommon for the patients to gain 20 or so pounds a week. The Lasik does damage to your kidneys. They give this to lose the excess water in the body.

She should be in a hospital bed that automatically rotates so she doesnt get bed sores. In addition, they usually only give the heaviest people these beds.

She needs to get out of the ICU, and they need to transport her at their cost to a better hospital to treat her until she is discharged. Air flight is around 30k, A private ambulance is around 3 K dollars. Your insurance may pay for this if the hospital is considered an upgrade in their book, or at least equal.

Get the records, and get her to a better hospital asap.

You need to tell us what the Drs. name is so the wonderful internet searchers here can find out his history....

I spent two weeks watching a loved one be killed in the ICU. I learned a lot. Hardly no one ever left the ICU alive in the 2 weeks I was there 24 hours a day.
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Why didnt you just use hatural herbs from the woodlands or natural homeopathic medications from loving natural healer?
There's your problem.
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You obviously aren't very informed on what endometriosis is. These avenues are not viable. I've had 4 surgeries myself for it and have dealt with it for 24 years and I can honestly say that this is not a viable route for this disease.
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Terrible experience, and I do feel sorry for what your daughter is going through. But seriously, when are people going to learn that cutting shit out of the human body is NOT the way to heal it?

I hate when we don't understand something and assume the only way to stop it is to remove it. Only the symptoms and problems are known about endometriosis, there is no known cure just medicinal and surgical "treatments". I understand the inherent pain involved with this condidtion but to believe cutting away tissues is somehow going to convince your body to stop the pain and symptoms is lunacy.

If the organs, colon, ovaries etc. have become fused together, seperating them with a knife will only cause them to fuse in another position. This is not addressing the underlying cause and is merely giving a false sense of relief which will most definitely be temporary.

Not to mention the intrusive nature of the knife and its ability to cut EVERYTHING, including stuff that was perfectly fine before. Tumors, cysts, lesions etc. are all produced by the body, thus they can be removed BY the body.

What caused them to appear in the first place is the issue, NOT the growth itself. Cutting them out doesn't stop the source.
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I think you are naïve about this. Having lived with it for as long as I have I find it disgusting that you would suggest that someone should not undergo surgery for the great relief that is received and should just suffer without surgery. Until what causes this disease is discovered, the best relief a person can get from the immense suffering this disease causes is surgery. Reality rules over wishful thinking, which is all you offer, seeing as how there is no known way to stop the growths at this time.
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Malpractice, in general, is always a challenging job. The attorney can review and then advise.
 Quoting: Ms. Superduper


Agreed. Let an attorney decide if there is a case.
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you GOTTA BE KIDDING.
surgeon split and as for gyn_ees being terrrible surgeons ? then how the HELL are they PRACTICING ?
any surgery's A RISK and complications such as perferations etc are a direct result of SLOPPY surgery--a colostomy ??? so she also has peritonitis etc

let the atty decide ?
get ONE THAT CAN and NOT a [email protected] like this alleged surgeon.
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You clearly are not well versed in this procedure, but are hell bent on SHOVING your 'very important opinion' into this thread. Hence, you sound clearly like a shill.

One always provides an attorney with the medical records so that his staff, consisting of nurses, and some doctors are used as well, to review the records.

Now, please go away. This is a serious matter.
 Quoting: Ms. Superduper

scuse ME sUUpaaaa duPPPPPa but i happened to work as the charge nurse nights in an 18 bed surgical ICU
and no sloppy surgeons REMAIN ON BOARD,the same for the ridiculous statement that OB / GYN are TERRIBLE surgeons ??? c/mon sweetie.
as for the presence of adhesions etc ? wasn't a follow up surgery DONE TO CORRECT the 1st set of MISTAKES ? yes or NO ? how did the other SURGEON remove THEM ? they get dissected down and removed if it is a necessity.
as for the colostomy ??? patient's bowels were nicked and she also has/had peritonitis.
a patient has had routine tests and IS diagnosed with a degree of endometriosis ,surgery is recommended and she winds up with an abdominal hysterectomy,perferated colon, a colostomy etc
and only the attorney can decide if this is malpractice.....
even the nurses are liable for NOT observing their patient from the basics of BOWEL SOUNDS etc and NOT HAVING A CLUE.
SO you're TELLING ME diddly as YOU don't KNOW wtf you're talking about.
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and you really THINK ???? one NEEDS THE RECORDS to speak to an attorney ?? since when ?
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OP, I know you may not be thinking of future potential endometriosis surgeries at this point in time, but if there should ever arise the need again to have surgery for endometriosis, I would strongly recommend the Center for Endometriosis Care in Atlanta, GA. They focus only on endometriosis and no other OB/GYN issues. Here is their link: [link to www.centerforendo.com]

They performed my last surgery (4th) for endometriosis ten years ago and while I have still had endometriosis issues to this day, most likely due to the fact that there is no cure for endometriosis, I have also been able to live with my symptoms since their surgery and have not felt a need for additional surgery since their surgery. Knock on wood that it continues that way for the rest of my life too, but if I do need one, I will only go back to them and would recommend them to anyone dealing with this horrific disease.
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and you really THINK ???? one NEEDS THE RECORDS to speak to an attorney ?? since when ?
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You are correct. Medical records are not required to speak with an attorney. In fact, most people who came into our offices never had the records and we always got them after getting a Release to do so.
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I dont have any advice, but I just wanted to send positive healing thoughts to your daughter. I hope her recovery is quick and you find the support needed to get through this.hf
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I am so sorry that your daughter is going through this!

First of all, document EVERYTHING. You keep a journal, and get a journal for her to keep of her experiences. If she has a husband, he should keep a journal as well.

Tomorrow, Monday, call / consult with medical malpractice attorneys.

DO NOT WAIT.

It sounds like she may have some long term consequences medically, and she should at the very least have her medical expenses covered.
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Thank you for your advice. MUCH appreciated!
 Quoting: conspiracyorreality


This is horrendous...and with endometriosis, those issues are all not good. Either she'll be getting a settlement or you will if things don't fare well for her...and regardless...holy hell. I'd be screaming at the surgeon, but she needs to take care of the primary issues...her health. Maybe she can give you power of attorney to take care of the legal aspects of this while she's in the hospital? I'm going to assume she's not coming out of the hospital for a while.

Find paperwork that proves she signed for consent of emergency hysterectomy/surgical procedures to remove anything without prior knowledge. If she never signed to have anything removed if things look bad, they never should've removed anything (would've scheduled a second and possible third surgery for planned removal). I don't see whether or not she signed such a thing, so it's something you'd have to find out from your daughter.

have I said holy crap yet? cuz that shit sounds terrible. and yes, bowels cut would be worse than bladder, because one is sterile, the other is most definitely not. now she's likely to end up with sepsis. This is not good for her at all...hopefully they have her on some good antibiotics, but any IV antibiotics, make sure the IV doesn't slip from the vein...nurses might not notice one arm being twice the size of the other.
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I AM SO UPSET AND OUTRAGED I can't even read. I can feel the sad and hurt. She is still with us and for this we should be happy, but I just cannot say any more at this time.
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Agreed. Let an attorney decide if there is a case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062


you GOTTA BE KIDDING.
surgeon split and as for gyn_ees being terrrible surgeons ? then how the HELL are they PRACTICING ?
any surgery's A RISK and complications such as perferations etc are a direct result of SLOPPY surgery--a colostomy ??? so she also has peritonitis etc

let the atty decide ?
get ONE THAT CAN and NOT a [email protected] like this alleged surgeon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55513723


You clearly are not well versed in this procedure, but are hell bent on SHOVING your 'very important opinion' into this thread. Hence, you sound clearly like a shill.

One always provides an attorney with the medical records so that his staff, consisting of nurses, and some doctors are used as well, to review the records.

Now, please go away. This is a serious matter.
 Quoting: Ms. Superduper

scuse ME sUUpaaaa duPPPPPa but i happened to work as the charge nurse nights in an 18 bed surgical ICU
and no sloppy surgeons REMAIN ON BOARD,the same for the ridiculous statement that OB / GYN are TERRIBLE surgeons ??? c/mon sweetie.
as for the presence of adhesions etc ? wasn't a follow up surgery DONE TO CORRECT the 1st set of MISTAKES ? yes or NO ? how did the other SURGEON remove THEM ? they get dissected down and removed if it is a necessity.
as for the colostomy ??? patient's bowels were nicked and she also has/had peritonitis.
a patient has had routine tests and IS diagnosed with a degree of endometriosis ,surgery is recommended and she winds up with an abdominal hysterectomy,perferated colon, a colostomy etc
and only the attorney can decide if this is malpractice.....
even the nurses are liable for NOT observing their patient from the basics of BOWEL SOUNDS etc and NOT HAVING A CLUE.
SO you're TELLING ME diddly as YOU don't KNOW wtf you're talking about.
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I believe the OP has found her path and the professionals to assist her and her family member. Thanks.
Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world.

Whatever feels good to your soul, do that.
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That wasn't a surgeon - more like a butcher - how tragic - praying for her healing and recovery - hope you get a good lawyer - what was that surgeon "on", anyway? wow hf
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Slightly off topic sorry, but.. lately I've been wondering why almost everybody these days is required to be drug tested for work ie. in the mines, driving machinery etc and yet Police and Doctors are exempt??
Considering their line of work and work environment, one would think they should be at the very top of the drug tested professions list!!
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Great comment! But are police really exempt everywhere? I find that hard to believe.
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Prayer
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Best wishes, OP!!!! So sorry this happened.
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Many doctors are losing their minds now. . . . .

Many signed on to medicine expecting the lifestyle, and the lifestyle is gone. Many surgeons are turning into bitter drunks.

I would not have elective surgery now if you paid me.


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Whoa, I already knew to avoid doctors and hospitals, but I'll remember what you said if I ever waver :-(
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Once you get admitted in the ICU it is hard as hell to get out of. So much more seems to go wrong in the ICU. The Doctors and nurses are use to the patients dying, and don't give it much thought. They often load you up on so many antibiotics, etc that it shuts your kidneys and liver down. Resulting in needing kidney dialysis forever.

In addition, it is not uncommon for the patients to gain 20 or so pounds a week. The Lasik does damage to your kidneys. They give this to lose the excess water in the body.

She should be in a hospital bed that automatically rotates so she doesnt get bed sores. In addition, they usually only give the heaviest people these beds.

She needs to get out of the ICU, and they need to transport her at their cost to a better hospital to treat her until she is discharged. Air flight is around 30k, A private ambulance is around 3 K dollars. Your insurance may pay for this if the hospital is considered an upgrade in their book, or at least equal.

Get the records, and get her to a better hospital asap.

You need to tell us what the Drs. name is so the wonderful internet searchers here can find out his history....

I spent two weeks watching a loved one be killed in the ICU. I learned a lot. Hardly no one ever left the ICU alive in the 2 weeks I was there 24 hours a day.
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Oh dear. Thank you for sharing your story, sad as it is. Everyone please do what you can for your health today, and don't trust the doctors to fix you up later when things go wrong - prevention is everything, god willing, best of luck to everyone with their all important good health.
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That's horrible! I prayed for your daughter, and will keep her in my prayers.
GET AN ATTORNEY!!!!! A good one!
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I went on such a long looping trip on a bunch of links since I started reading this thread, forgive me if I don't know where I found this link about endometriosis, this person has a background in both Chinese and Western medicine and suffered from endometriosis for years, she made the connection that liver function is a causative aspect, because the liver clears excess estrogen and balances the hormones, if the liver is stressed and functioning poorly then excess estrogen can be a contributing factor to the endometriosis:

[link to sensiblehealth.com]

I found it interesting reading. I think someone may have posted it earlier in the thread? If so thanks very much.

Edited to add: I guess I got that link at Earth Clinic, here's the Earth Clinic page about endometriosis:

[link to www.earthclinic.com]

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