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antilib (OP) User ID: 72019 United States 06/18/2006 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These are weasel words from a weasel of a politician who has proven time and time again that he will do or say anything to curry favor with those who can help him politically. In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. ______________________ "When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home" |
Aeon_ User ID: 104845 United States 06/18/2006 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More drivel from the reich... Iraq was not a threat to the USA. Iraq had no WMDs. The only linkage to 9/11 that Iraq had/has is the fact that it is inhabited by a bunch of brown-skined Muslims. That makes this war which you support either a race war, or a religion war -- a crusade, if you will. You have no evidence that there are fewer terrorists in the world than there was prior to the attack on the soverign country of Iraq. Common sense tells me that there are almost certainly quite a few more Muslims who would like to do us harm for our unprovoked attack. How do you kill a beast which grows two heads every time you chop off one? Here's a hint -- do some research on the mythical hydra. Ave Gæ , morituri te salutamus! |
antilib (OP) User ID: 72019 United States 06/18/2006 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iraq had no WMDs. lol what was that they used while clinty was in In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. ______________________ "When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home" |
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Aeon_ User ID: 104845 United States 06/18/2006 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iraq had no WMDs. Quoting: Conservotardlol what was that they used while clinty was in They didn't have any when we attacked them. They certainly had them after Rumsfeld and the Regan administration gave them the precursors to make them. But since then, they were working with inspectors to destroy them. Ave Gæ , morituri te salutamus! |
antilib (OP) User ID: 72019 United States 06/18/2006 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | think again no proof of disposial where did they go is the question and who helped them move them look to your friends in france germany russia and china all hate the usa and always vote against us In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. ______________________ "When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home" |
Aeon_ User ID: 104845 United States 06/18/2006 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | think again Quoting: antilibno proof of disposial where did they go is the question and who helped them move them look to your friends in france germany russia and china all hate the usa and always vote against us Ritter has addressed this issue. The vast majority of the materials were proven destroyed. There was a very small amount which which wasn't accounted for properly, and that was because of wrecks and fires. Now get real for a moment -- if that is at all possible for you to do. The USA has been rattling sabers at Iran and Syria for some time now. The USA also has WMDs -- chemical, biological, and nuclear. Using your logic, shouldn't the Iranians and Syrians have the right to attack our military targets any way possible? Ave Gæ , morituri te salutamus! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2433 United States 06/18/2006 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots of Libbies used to believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and they were privy to the same information given to Clinton and Bush by the CIA. See the partial list of Libbie believers below! Are all thes Libbies as stupid as you allege Bush to be? :dubya: ............................ "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." -- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." -- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." -- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." -- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001 "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 |
antilib (OP) User ID: 72019 United States 06/18/2006 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. ______________________ "When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home" |
Aeon_ User ID: 104845 United States 06/18/2006 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The USA has been rattling sabers at Iran and Syria for some time now. The USA also has WMDs -- chemical, biological, and nuclear. Using your logic, shouldn't the Iranians and Syrians have the right to attack our military targets any way possible? Ave Gæ , morituri te salutamus! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 100653 United States 06/18/2006 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The USA has been rattling sabers at Iran and Syria for some time now. The USA also has WMDs -- chemical, biological, and nuclear. Using your logic, shouldn't the Iranians and Syrians have the right to attack our military targets any way possible? You Libbies always make me laugh at how you backpedal/try to change the subject when confronted with an inconvient truth that contradicts your version of what the 'truth' is. What's the matter, don't you want to be reminded that there *were* Democrats/Liberals who saw the *same* intel that Bush did, and who agreed that there *was* evidence of WMD, and who *supported* invading Iraq? Are you saying that *they* were wrong? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 100653 United States 06/18/2006 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When are asshole Limbaugh fans going to understand that "flip flop" isn't a word? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 107316Kerry is a hypocrite, he's indesicive, he changes his mind, certainly. AC 107316, [link to en.wiktionary.org] [link to wordnet.princeton.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2433 United States 06/18/2006 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here are a few more Libbie quotes about Saddam's WMDs. These Libbies have short memories and can turn on a dime, the lying Traitors. ................................... "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
Pollyannuh User ID: 46877 United States 06/18/2006 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here ya go you funny lil Examples from just ONE issue/scandal of this administration. Site should be updated. There've been MANY more flip-flops, I'm sure! [link to www.dscc.org] Key Bush Quotes On CIA Leak By: Phil Singer, DSCC With action in the CIA leak case expected shortly, here are some previous comments Bush and the White House made denying any role in the incident and promising to fire anyone who was involved, as well as remarks Bush made as a presidential candidate in 2000 promising to run the White House with integrity and honor. BUSH THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF SAID HE’D FIRE ANYONE FOR LEAKING, THAT NOBODY WAS INVOLVED… Asked in June 2004 if he’d stand by his pledge to fire anyone found to have leaked, Bush replied “yes.” [Bush Press Conference: Savannah, GA, 6/10/04] When the White House was asked specifically whether Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams or Lewis Libby told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: “Those individuals -- I talked -- I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that's where it stands.” [White House Briefing, 10/10/03] "I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." [Bush Remarks: Chicago, Illinois, 9/30/03] "The President has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration." [White House Briefing, 9/29/03] BUSH THE CANDIDATE PROMISED TO UPHOLD THE HONOR AND INTEGRITY AT THE WHITE HOUSE… “I will swear to uphold the laws of the land. But I will also swear to uphold the honor and the integrity of the office to which I have been elected, so help me God,” said then-Governor George Bush [CNN, “Inside Politics,” 8/11/00] “Americans are tired of investigations and scandal, and the best way to get rid of them is to elect a new president who will bring a new administration, who will restore honor and dignity to the White House.” [Then-Governor George Bush on CNN’s “Burden of Proof,” 9/15/05] “Americans want to be assured that the next administration will bring honor and dignity to the White House.” [Then-Governor George Bush on CNN’s “Capital Gang,” 8/13/00] “A reformer with results. He will restore integrity and values to the White House.” [2000 Bush Campaign Ad aired on CNN’s “Crossfire,” 2/17/00] BUSH THE PRESIDENT CONTINUED TO URGE HONOR AMONG HIS STAFF… “Please thank the personnel of your departments and agencies for their commitment to maintain the highest standards of integrity in Government as we serve the American people.” [Memo from President Bush to Executive Officials, 1/20/01] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 100653 United States 06/18/2006 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda like one of the bush flip flops, huh? Quoting: PollyannuhDidn't he say he was gonna spank the CIA Valerie Plame leaker?? I'm still w*a*i*t*i*n*g........ Pollyannuh, I'll restate, in part, what I said above: You Libbies always make me laugh at how you ...try to change the subject when confronted with an inconvient truth that contradicts your version of what the 'truth' is. [OT] BTW, you claim to be a "Christian", yet you don't seem to act very "Christian-like" to me. For instance, a *true* never disparages or looks down on anyone (not even people that they don't agree with). Consider this, would Jesus approve of the way you act (especially toward President Bush, and people who you don't agree with)? Or, OTOH, are you a "Christian" only when it's "convenient" for you to be one? If so, then you are missing the *whole* point of His teachings. Or |
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Duncan Kunz User ID: 106861 United States 06/18/2006 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's odd. Antilib comes out with this column intimating that Kerry was/is hiding some potentially damaging Vietnam era tricks, and no one seems to respond to this. Instead, Aeon brings up the WMD thing in Iraq again. Then Antilib shows that a whole lot of Democrats were suckered by the WMD so-called intelligence, so he immediately changes the subject to Syria and Iran? And what do either of your accusations (which you can't seem to uphold) have to do with Kerry's misdeeds? Aeon, is the subject of Kerry so embarrasing that you want to change the subject without addressing it? Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 100653 United States 06/18/2006 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Duncan, A former Iraqi official admitted that they had a chemical weapons developement progam in place, and they were on the verge of deploying a first-generation of them. Now if chemical weapons aren't considered WMD, then I don't know what are. Besides, if Iraq had no WMD, why did Saddam stall/stonewall/grant very restricted access to the UN Weapons Inspectors *every* time they went in to inspect? If he had nothing to hide why not grant full, unrestricted access? A person is secretive only when they are trying to hide something. |