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The Nihilist  (OP)

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interesting stuff, Guinea related just not directly with ebola.


FBI Transcripts Link Billionaire to Guinea Payments



Billionaire Beny Steinmetz approved millions of dollars in payments to a wife of the former president of Guinea as he fought to keep part of the world’s largest iron-ore deposit, a suspect in a U.S. graft investigation said in conversations secretly taped by the FBI.

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flashyhorns

am freaking out about this..
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second thing to worry about, the timing is incredible.

MERS

Cabinet prevents the publication of any news about the "Corona" only through "health"
SPA - Riyadh

confirmed the Council of Ministers under the chairmanship of His Royal Highness Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz, Crown Prince, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense, on Monday, the media all comply with the issued instructions not to publish any news concerning this virus or any epidemic disease, only through the approved official at the Ministry of Health.

[link to www.flutrackers.com]

"...The Council stresses on the media to adhere to all of the issued instructions not to publish any news concerning this virus or any epidemic disease except through the approved official department at the Ministry of Health...."
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:flashyhorns:

am freaking out about this..
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Photoshoped...
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food for thought:


Mediterranean crossings rise in first months of 2014 – many fleeing war and persecution



This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson Melissa Fleming – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at the press briefing, on 11 April 2014, at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.

UNHCR estimates some 6,000 people have been rescued by the Italian Navy from over forty overcrowded boats in the Mediterranean off the shores of Sicily and Calabria in the past four days. They have disembarked in the ports of Augusta, Catania, Porto Empedocle, Messina and Pozzallo in Sicily and Roccella Jonica in Calabria.

Large numbers of women and children, including newborns and unaccompanied children, were amongst those rescued. They had set off from Zwara in Libya, and many were fleeing violence, conflict and persecution. Main countries of origin include Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Nigeria, Gambia, Mali and Senegal.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
 Quoting: The Nihilist


And one of these boats was found to have a corpse on it!!! The article never stated how the person died.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56778678


We'll find out like every one else; by waiting out the incubation period.

Scary stuff!

Here it is, April 14th. I was busy all weekend...how are the numbers from my models stacking up?
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Do you guys believe in coincidences? I don't...

Less than 50%

A "lack of traceability" that should have no health consequence. The Pasteur Institute explained this weekend having lost fragments of severe acute respiratory syndrome virus ( SARS ). During a routine annual inventory, the Institute noted the disappearance of 2,349 tubes containing the virus.

More at link:

[link to translate.google.com]
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


wtf gaah
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


WTF, exactly.
Now what would be the odd of seeing Ebola mutating very soon?
 Quoting: ExploringTheTruth


My best answer for you is that I don't believe in coincidences either. hiding
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There is no such thing as "coincidence" in the typical way the word is presently used.

The proper and historical meaning of the word is simply "events happening at the same time", and bears no implication that said events are not of common causality.
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YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period.
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food for thought:


Mediterranean crossings rise in first months of 2014 – many fleeing war and persecution



This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson Melissa Fleming – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at the press briefing, on 11 April 2014, at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.

UNHCR estimates some 6,000 people have been rescued by the Italian Navy from over forty overcrowded boats in the Mediterranean off the shores of Sicily and Calabria in the past four days. They have disembarked in the ports of Augusta, Catania, Porto Empedocle, Messina and Pozzallo in Sicily and Roccella Jonica in Calabria.

Large numbers of women and children, including newborns and unaccompanied children, were amongst those rescued. They had set off from Zwara in Libya, and many were fleeing violence, conflict and persecution. Main countries of origin include Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Nigeria, Gambia, Mali and Senegal.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
 Quoting: The Nihilist


And one of these boats was found to have a corpse on it!!! The article never stated how the person died.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56778678


We'll find out like every one else; by waiting out the incubation period.

Scary stuff!

Here it is, April 14th. I was busy all weekend...how are the numbers from my models stacking up?
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no idea, they are not releasing the numbers. Maybe today they will.
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food for thought:


Mediterranean crossings rise in first months of 2014 – many fleeing war and persecution



This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson Melissa Fleming – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at the press briefing, on 11 April 2014, at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.

UNHCR estimates some 6,000 people have been rescued by the Italian Navy from over forty overcrowded boats in the Mediterranean off the shores of Sicily and Calabria in the past four days. They have disembarked in the ports of Augusta, Catania, Porto Empedocle, Messina and Pozzallo in Sicily and Roccella Jonica in Calabria.

Large numbers of women and children, including newborns and unaccompanied children, were amongst those rescued. They had set off from Zwara in Libya, and many were fleeing violence, conflict and persecution. Main countries of origin include Syria, Eritrea, Somalia, Nigeria, Gambia, Mali and Senegal.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
 Quoting: The Nihilist


And one of these boats was found to have a corpse on it!!! The article never stated how the person died.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56778678


We'll find out like every one else; by waiting out the incubation period.

Scary stuff!

Here it is, April 14th. I was busy all weekend...how are the numbers from my models stacking up?
 Quoting: BattlesightZero


no idea, they are not releasing the numbers. Maybe today they will.
 Quoting: The Nihilist


That, in itself, is a very bad sign. Remember what I said...either they will clamp down and there will be no news at all because of aggressive censorship, or the floodgates of information will open because of the scale of the outbreak going beyond their ability to control who knows what.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that the former is not happening now... and the latter will come soon.
BattlesightZero

YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period.
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The good doctor is on location. Funny story, the guy started to follow me on twitter, lolz. And I only tweeted a few things about ebola, not a lot. Never mind, I felt famous for a while....







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...


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Canceling your Remicade might not be such a bad idea afterall: [link to jid.oxfordjournals.org]

HLA-B antigens (genes that cause autoimmune diseases like RA and Lupus) are linked to increase survival rates of Ebola.
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hmmm. Interesting.

I am positive for HLA B27 so I'm in the catagories of either die or dont die since they didnt type mine in thise study. Me being an optimist, Ill go with dont die.

Can I be Molly Ringwald in The Stand? I'm more like M O O N that spells potato tho but she was just so cool back then.

woohoo
 Quoting: Ricky Retardo


Yeah, she was cool (shame she never took the Pretty Woman movie role offer; I always found Julia Roberts to be insufferable and undeserving of the "America's Sweetheart" label)

I'm HLA-B27 positive too (I was diagnosed with Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis, and Ankylosing Spondylitis). I take Humira instead of Remicade (However I'm considering switching because Humira injections are way too expensive).

I'm pretty sure all types of HLA-antigens make a person resistant to Ebola.

Do you have any Native American ancestry? Most people with Native American ancestry, even the smallest amount, test positive for HLA-antigens (often more than 1 of them!). Scientists think it is linked to the decimation of Native Americans by the Old World diseases, such as Smallpox and Measles. The only natives that survived were the ones that possessed the genes that made their resistant to the infections.
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I do have a little NA and I was seeing that a lot of the fb support groups for AS which I also have. My daughter is more than likely going to be diagnosed with JIA, she got strep a few months back and has had an immune response since. We are working on a diagnosis right now.

How friggin expensive is Humira? I know the remicade is $5k an infusion, I cant imagine anything being more than that. Insane.

Well it sounds like we nurse the sick if the shtf:)

Sorry for derailing the thread. All this is new to me, Im still wrapping my head around it.

Back to regular programing
burnit
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The cost of Humira (without coverage) is about 20-30 grand a year, give or take. My insurance bills the injections as costing 750 each. (Unlike Remicade infusions the injections are every 2 weeks. With my copay and deductible, it costs me a little over 10 grand a year.

Humira was supposed to become generic this year; but congress conveniently passed a law extending biologic patents for 20 years - because 10 years isn't long enough for drug companies to profit from Biologics (alternatively, the drug companies could just, IDK, not spend 20 billion a year on lobbying).

I wish you and your daughter the best. I know how diffcult it can be to find a good Pediatric Rheumatologist(the Shriner's Children's Hospitals are really the only Pediatric hospitals that concern themselves with Pediatric Arthritis)

I developed JIA/Ankylosing Spondylitis around the age of 13 after a case of Salmonella food poisoning. Our bodies natural reaction to any serious pathogen is to go into a "Bezerk RAMPAGE" mode.

I also apologize for going off topic.

I do wonder though, if HLA-B antigen could create an antibody that shuts down the Ebola infection? Obviously HLA-B antigen-possessing bodies do something special, to beat the virus.

Although if that is true, worse-case scenario outbreak means I might get rounded up and become a forced lab-rat for some drug company.
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wow, look at the latest video out of Japan. Bird flu cull.


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no idea, they are not releasing the numbers. Maybe today they will.
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That, in itself, is a very bad sign. Remember what I said...either they will clamp down and there will be no news at all because of aggressive censorship, or the floodgates of information will open because of the scale of the outbreak going beyond their ability to control who knows what.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that the former is not happening now... and the latter will come soon.
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This is why we have to watch. They will either let the flood of info come or shut the info down. When they shut it down, that means a higher state of alert we should all be in.
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I just want to thank everyone who sent me a PM while I was gone...I sent green to all of you. And thank you to everyone who participates and updates this thread! I'm back home, my little Niece is safe and she gets to come live with me in AZ in two months when school is done. hf Now just hoping it is safe for her to travel in two months...we shall see.
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Updates are coming.



Gregory Härtl &#8207;@HaertlG

.@girlofcelje @MackayIM An update is planned for today. From now,they will b Mon,Weds,Fri. Don't follow advice that could endanger your life
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Here is an interactive map outlining precautions that should be taken if there was an outbreak. I'm just looking into who the guy is who made this, strange timing.




Title :

FouEbola - What do we do - Brazil


Our action plan for a fictional pandemic of Ebola - from a Brazilian point of view :)

by Julian Heaver on 27 February 2014nd this today from Brasil


[link to prezi.com]
“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity”
&#8213; Sun-Tzu, A Arte da Guerra
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As I mentioned many pages back. Once the DOD got involved that meant it was determined a National security issue and information flow would be immediately halted for the best interest of the public (not to cause panic).

The numbers they are going to report today will be controlled most likely tamped down a little but will be higher of course. They can't escape the that. The key is that they will always report the numbers with a message to suppress panic.

We can listen and watch eyes open on this act accordingly. But as Battlesight mentioned. If this Jumps big time as his models predicted they won't be able to control the message for long.
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some interesting reads I found. Are women better prepared?


Female Hormone Estrogen Blocks Ebola Virus Infection

Researchers have discovered that drugs containing female estrogen block infection with the Ebola virus, a deadly disease for which there is no cure. Scientists stumbled upon estrogen as a potential weapon against Ebola while looking to find new uses for old drugs.

[link to www.voanews.com]


and then this...


Not everyone who contracts Ebola dies – a testimony

Conakry, Guinea: A woman struck down by the killer Ebola virus raging in Guinea has told of her joy at being "reborn" after pulling through against the odds.

The 27-year-old, giving her name as Fanta, recalled how she hovered for weeks between life and death battling the tropical bug, which has killed more than 100 people this year in the poverty-hit west African nation.


[link to www.standardmedia.co.ke]
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Great...so I have to grow boobs to stop Ebola?!?!?
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some interesting reads I found. Are women better prepared?


Female Hormone Estrogen Blocks Ebola Virus Infection

Researchers have discovered that drugs containing female estrogen block infection with the Ebola virus, a deadly disease for which there is no cure. Scientists stumbled upon estrogen as a potential weapon against Ebola while looking to find new uses for old drugs.

[link to www.voanews.com]


and then this...


Not everyone who contracts Ebola dies – a testimony

Conakry, Guinea: A woman struck down by the killer Ebola virus raging in Guinea has told of her joy at being "reborn" after pulling through against the odds.

The 27-year-old, giving her name as Fanta, recalled how she hovered for weeks between life and death battling the tropical bug, which has killed more than 100 people this year in the poverty-hit west African nation.


[link to www.standardmedia.co.ke]
 Quoting: The Nihilist


Great...so I have to grow boobs to stop Ebola?!?!?
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yeah just get fat and old enough like me and grow man boobs rofl
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everything is fine???


14 Apr 2014
Guinea Ebola outbreak under control: foreign minister

Guinea's Foreign Minister Francois Fall on Monday said the west African country has brought the spread of the deadly haemorrhagic Ebola virus under control after more than 100 people have died.

"We are pleased to say we have controlled the spread of the epidemic," Fall told reporters after a meeting his South African counterpart Maite Nkoana-Mashabane in Pretoria.

"We have even managed to cure some of those infected."


[link to reliefweb.int]

***numbers are the same as last post***
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I just want to thank everyone who sent me a PM while I was gone...I sent green to all of you. And thank you to everyone who participates and updates this thread! I'm back home, my little Niece is safe and she gets to come live with me in AZ in two months when school is done. hf Now just hoping it is safe for her to travel in two months...we shall see.
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That's awesome news! Glad you're back safe. hf
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interesting timing....


Crisis response force adds fire power to US base in Africa

CAMP LEMONNIER, Djibouti—Staff Sgt. Alan Wardell was anticipating a slowgoing deployment when he got the order to go to Africa, one with enough down time to bulk up at the gym and head back to Kansas lean and mean.

“It was going to be the diet and gym deployment,” said Wardell, who serves with the 1st Combined Arms Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment out of Fort Riley. “But that’s not how it worked out. Things are unpredictable here.”

[link to www.stripes.com]
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The Troubling Truth Behind the Ebola Outbreak


Those None Can Trust, Can Help No One

Whether the latest outbreak of Ebola is part of some conspiracy or not may never be known. The central issue is the lack of trust Western agencies have when they attempt to respond to a crisis. Wrought not from irrational fears but from decades of abuse, atrocities, and exploitation, this lack of trust has rendered much of what the West does beyond its borders today increasingly impotent, and even at times counterproductive.

[link to www.activistpost.com]
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bump
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any updates on # of deaths? did the event die out (hopefully) ?
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any updates on # of deaths? did the event die out (hopefully) ?
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I haven't found an update for days now, they are keeping this very quite, Too quite if you know what I mean.
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[link to www.cnn.com]

"It took only moments to feel the impact of what was happening here.

We had just landed in Conakry, the capital of Guinea. In the fields right outside the airport, a young woman was in tears. She started to wail and shout in Susu, one of the 40 languages spoken in this tiny country of 12 million people.

The gathered crowd became silent and listened intently.
The young man sitting next to me quietly translated, although I already had my suspicions. He told me the woman's husband had died of Ebola, and then quickly ushered us away.
"
...

"It has gone "viral," and now the hope is that it doesn't go global."

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2014 West Africa Ebola outbreak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Gambia: no passengers from Ebola-hit areas

"Gambian authorities have written a letter to airlines flying into the West African country saying they cannot pick up passengers from countries where there have been suspected cases of Ebola."

"A letter from the Gambian Transport Ministry addressed to four airlines instructs them not to pick up passengers in the capitals of Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone. The letter, dated April 10, was obtained Monday by The Associated Press."

[link to www.iol.co.za]

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"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ..." -Osama bin Laden
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any updates on # of deaths? did the event die out (hopefully) ?
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I haven't found an update for days now, they are keeping this very quite, Too quite if you know what I mean.
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It's like a media blackout. No new news since Friday that I can find. All of today's articles are basically old news. WTH is going on? Not giving up-dates because it would cause panic? I think if they had a handle on this they would be broadcasting it. Silence in this case may be very bad.
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any updates on # of deaths? did the event die out (hopefully) ?
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I haven't found an update for days now, they are keeping this very quite, Too quite if you know what I mean.
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It's like a media blackout. No new news since Friday that I can find. All of today's articles are basically old news. WTH is going on? Not giving up-dates because it would cause panic? I think if they had a handle on this they would be broadcasting it. Silence in this case may be very bad.
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I agree 100%. Something is lurking in the mist.
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According to this Yahoo article everything is under control:

Guinea's Foreign Minister Francois Fall on Monday said the west African country has brought the spread of the deadly haemorrhagic Ebola virus under control after more than 100 people have died.
"We are pleased to say we have controlled the spread of the epidemic," Fall told reporters after a meeting his South African counterpart Maite Nkoana-Mashabane in Pretoria.
[link to news.yahoo.com]

I think they have said this before.





GLP