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"Now when he had come into the parts of Caes·a·rea Phi·lippi, Jesus went asking his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?” 14 They said: “Some say John the Baptist, others E·lijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them: “YOU, though, who do YOU say I am?” 16 In answer Simon Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did."- Matthew 16:13-17

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Its a secret.

damned

John 20:3
Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
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Its a secret.

damned

John 20:3
Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
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Yes, a "Mystery", kind of like the "Trinity"!!!!hiding
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He is the secret Messiah among his people. He silenced his followers about his miracles often to and Demons about his identity.

Kinda like Super Secret Spider-Man.

In Biblical criticism, the Messianic Secret refers to a motif primarily in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus is portrayed as commanding his followers to silence about his Messianic mission. Attention was first drawn to this motif in 1901 by William Wrede.

Part of Wrede's theory involved statements in the New Testament by Jesus to demons who recognise his divine nature as well as to his followers not to reveal to others that he is the Messiah.[

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]
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There is no controversy, OP. Only confusion and disbelief which stems from flesh and blood.... from the natural man.
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After Jesus cast out demons from possessed people, he made sure that these demons didn't reveal his true identity. Why?

Example from Mar 1:24-25,34 (NIV):

24“What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
25“Be quiet!” said Jesus sternly. “Come out of him!”
...
34and Jesus healed many who had various diseases. He also drove out many demons, but he would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was.

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There is no controversy, OP. Only confusion and disbelief which stems from flesh and blood.... from the natural man.
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Yep
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After Jesus cast out demons from possessed people, he made sure that these demons didn't reveal his true identity. Why?

Example from Mar 1:24-25,34 (NIV):

24“What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
25“Be quiet!” said Jesus sternly. “Come out of him!”
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34and Jesus healed many who had various diseases. He also drove out many demons, but he would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was.

[link to christianity.stackexchange.com]
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Or could it be he didn't want the demons to hypocritically bear witness about him or his Father?
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Because he was is one of the most famous ppl in the western world to ever walk the earth. Everyone wants to claim ownership in the countries where he is commonly recognized by a significant portion of the populace as the sun of God.

The first part of your question answers your question.
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There is no controversy, OP. Only confusion and disbelief which stems from flesh and blood.... from the natural man.
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NO controversy???
People believe everything from "He didn't exist"

to "He was nothing but a prophet"

to "He is GOD"blink
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There is no controversy, OP. Only confusion and disbelief which stems from flesh and blood.... from the natural man.
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NO controversy???
People believe everything from "He didn't exist"

to "He was nothing but a prophet"

to "He is GOD"blink
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Then I guess, for you, that is a controversy.

The Father reveals who The Son is to whomever He will. And The Son reveals The Father to whomever He will.

May The Father and The Son be revealed to you, OP.
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After Jesus cast out demons from possessed people, he made sure that these demons didn't reveal his true identity. Why?

Example from Mar 1:24-25,34 (NIV):

24“What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
25“Be quiet!” said Jesus sternly. “Come out of him!”
...
34and Jesus healed many who had various diseases. He also drove out many demons, but he would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was.

[link to christianity.stackexchange.com]
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Or could it be he didn't want the demons to hypocritically bear witness about him or his Father?
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No I dont think so real Faith is blind faith.


John 4:48

"Unless you people see signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe."
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There is no controversy, OP. Only confusion and disbelief which stems from flesh and blood.... from the natural man.
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NO controversy???
People believe everything from "He didn't exist"

to "He was nothing but a prophet"

to "He is GOD"blink
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Then I guess, for you, that is a controversy.

The Father reveals who The Son is to whomever He will. And The Son reveals The Father to whomever He will.

May The Father and The Son be revealed to you, OP.
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Yeah, shucks, that hasn't happened yet, bummergrinning
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"Now when he had come into the parts of Caes·a·rea Phi·lippi, Jesus went asking his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?” 14 They said: “Some say John the Baptist, others E·lijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them: “YOU, though, who do YOU say I am?” 16 In answer Simon Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did."- Matthew 16:13-17
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because people don't know who and what Jesus was and the thugs don't want him around and they muck up everything he tried to teach and divide people against each other. A nation divided against itself cannot stand applies also to religions and he never started that religion at all. It was not his purpose.

You do not most of you even understand at all the teaching you quoted above. One has to be in meditation to hear the father within. That is where the real knowledge comes from, not from mans garbage. Jesus never went asking about how the "son of man" was in the first place, that was added unto the bible.
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Remember the unbelieving Thomas?


Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.


25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The Purpose of John’s Gospel

30Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31But these are written that you may believeb that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
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What is the controversy? A messianic Jews was put to death by Roman authorities at the request of some Jewish leaders. His followers claim he rose from the dead and would be returning very soon. Two thousand years later we have not from him or his Dad. Most of the world rejects his divinity in favor of their chosen god(s) or no supreme at all. But he has a large following and TV stations and movies and books and radio stations and music. He is well known but most people reject his claim to savior status. Some believe his claims and most don't, no controversy just free will/choice etc etc. Fame is so fleeting.
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There is no controversy, OP. Only confusion and disbelief which stems from flesh and blood.... from the natural man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


NO controversy???
People believe everything from "He didn't exist"

to "He was nothing but a prophet"

to "He is GOD"blink
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Then I guess, for you, that is a controversy.

The Father reveals who The Son is to whomever He will. And The Son reveals The Father to whomever He will.

May The Father and The Son be revealed to you, OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Yeah, shucks, that hasn't happened yet, bummergrinning
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Sounds like another controversy brewing for you then.
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The cause is satan.
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After Jesus cast out demons from possessed people, he made sure that these demons didn't reveal his true identity. Why?

Example from Mar 1:24-25,34 (NIV):

24“What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
25“Be quiet!” said Jesus sternly. “Come out of him!”
...
34and Jesus healed many who had various diseases. He also drove out many demons, but he would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was.

[link to christianity.stackexchange.com]
 Quoting: Haile Menelik 53879946


Or could it be he didn't want the demons to hypocritically bear witness about him or his Father?
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No I dont think so real Faith is blind faith.


John 4:48

"Unless you people see signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe."
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Well, he was speaking to people that would only put faith in him for the miracles he performed, such as turning water into wine, which is what the context of that scripture is

It was his teachings he wanted people to pay attention to more than the miracles, which, many people heard both the teachings and witnessed the miracles, but still didn't put faith in him
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The controversy is totally the church's fault. They co-opted a man who was a product of awakening - something that many, many people have gone through in their lives - and deified him to the point where they taught that no one could ever reach the status that he has, thus making him an unattainable "hero" status.

And then they combined current-day (to them) mythology with the Jesus story, because why not try to get all religions on board, right? So instead of a story of someone like Buddha or (if you want to look at an example of a modern-day awakened being) Mooji or Byron Katie or Adyashanti, it became some unattainable, mystical, "no-one-else-can-be-like-Jesus" ideal because it's a mixture of truth and mythology.
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OP, we don't even know much about the identity of Obama and he isn't even 60 years old yet and so how could we know much about a guy that lived over 2000 years ago?


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The cause is satan.
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BINGO!!!!!!

" 3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through."- 2 Corinthians 4:2-4
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OP, we don't even know much about the identity of Obama and he isn't even 60 years old yet and so how could we know much about a guy that lived over 2000 years ago?


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Well, the Bible tells us more about Christ than humans would ever want to know about uh, that guy you mentioned
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What is the controversy? A messianic Jews was put to death by Roman authorities at the request of some Jewish leaders. His followers claim he rose from the dead and would be returning very soon. Two thousand years later we have not from him or his Dad. Most of the world rejects his divinity in favor of their chosen god(s) or no supreme at all. But he has a large following and TV stations and movies and books and radio stations and music. He is well known but most people reject his claim to savior status. Some believe his claims and most don't, no controversy just free will/choice etc etc. Fame is so fleeting.
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Yeah, fame is fleeting, among humans, but when you are a reigning king in heaven, well, now that is not so fleeting......

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1st off, Yashua is Joshua, NOT this Greco-Romanized "Jesus Christ" which all these pics/icons is Julius Caesar, Think ppl... ALL churches in America r controlled by the Pope. Vatican Rome the prostitute & christian churches the sisters, all roads lead to Rome. Who is behind that IMAGE of "Jesus" on the cross every Sun-day? The Pope, Open your eyes!! The christians "God" is the Pope worshipping some penis bearing, jealous, vengeful God.. that's the Physical egotistical God, not the Unconditional Divine 1, any1 expecting/demanding worship isn't Divine! This false church Jesus taught Vampirism in which the ppl drink the blood of the Head Vampire(Jesus) to become half-vamps.. Communion is the symbolic ritual christians do as the Act. Only difference b/t a christian & some1 straight up worshipping a demon is the christians r clueless as to wtf they part of
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I blame the beard as it went through a cycle of growth and trimming Jesus's appearance changed enough that folk could never properly identify him.
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1st off, Yashua is Joshua, NOT this Greco-Romanized "Jesus Christ" which all these pics/icons is Julius Caesar, Think ppl... ALL churches in America r controlled by the Pope. Vatican Rome the prostitute & christian churches the sisters, all roads lead to Rome. Who is behind that IMAGE of "Jesus" on the cross every Sun-day? The Pope, Open your eyes!! The christians "God" is the Pope worshipping some penis bearing, jealous, vengeful God.. that's the Physical egotistical God, not the Unconditional Divine 1, any1 expecting/demanding worship isn't Divine! This false church Jesus taught Vampirism in which the ppl drink the blood of the Head Vampire(Jesus) to become half-vamps.. Communion is the symbolic ritual christians do as the Act. Only difference b/t a christian & some1 straight up worshipping a demon is the christians r clueless as to wtf they part of
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Forget bout Jesus & learn everything u can bout the enemy "Satan/Lucifer".. U have to know the mind of your enemy so u don't become like the enemy. You'll come to realeyez the enemy is the Hypnotist hypnotizing u "Focus on Jesus, no don't look over there, just keep focused right here". Mosque Friday(bright morning star Venus/Lucifer); Synagogue Saturday(Saturn/Satan); Church Sun-day(Sun deity worship)
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NO controversy???
People believe everything from "He didn't exist"

to "He was nothing but a prophet"

to "He is GOD"blink
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Then I guess, for you, that is a controversy.

The Father reveals who The Son is to whomever He will. And The Son reveals The Father to whomever He will.

May The Father and The Son be revealed to you, OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Yeah, shucks, that hasn't happened yet, bummergrinning
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Sounds like another controversy brewing for you then.
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spockYeah, there are just no answers are there????rex
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1st off, Yashua is Joshua, NOT this Greco-Romanized "Jesus Christ" which all these pics/icons is Julius Caesar, Think ppl... ALL churches in America r controlled by the Pope. Vatican Rome the prostitute & christian churches the sisters, all roads lead to Rome. Who is behind that IMAGE of "Jesus" on the cross every Sun-day? The Pope, Open your eyes!! The christians "God" is the Pope worshipping some penis bearing, jealous, vengeful God.. that's the Physical egotistical God, not the Unconditional Divine 1, any1 expecting/demanding worship isn't Divine! This false church Jesus taught Vampirism in which the ppl drink the blood of the Head Vampire(Jesus) to become half-vamps.. Communion is the symbolic ritual christians do as the Act. Only difference b/t a christian & some1 straight up worshipping a demon is the christians r clueless as to wtf they part of
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Forget bout Jesus & learn everything u can bout the enemy "Satan/Lucifer".. U have to know the mind of your enemy so u don't become like the enemy. You'll come to realeyez the enemy is the Hypnotist hypnotizing u "Focus on Jesus, no don't look over there, just keep focused right here". Mosque Friday(bright morning star Venus/Lucifer); Synagogue Saturday(Saturn/Satan); Church Sun-day(Sun deity worship)
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All the Obelsisks/Phallus's above churches r these entities harnessing the energies of those inside & the Pope is controlling these ppl's Pineal Glands on his Staff. Your Body is the Temple/your Mind, Not these structures. Lucifer is Venus the bright morning star, a bi-polar planet. The Sun of Christianity & the Moon of Islam, 2 sides of the same coin. The Kabba Stone (Cube) & the Cross is an unfolded Cube
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Then I guess, for you, that is a controversy.

The Father reveals who The Son is to whomever He will. And The Son reveals The Father to whomever He will.

May The Father and The Son be revealed to you, OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Yeah, shucks, that hasn't happened yet, bummergrinning
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Sounds like another controversy brewing for you then.
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spockYeah, there are just no answers are there????rex
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No controversy...

"...And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory...."
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Yeah, shucks, that hasn't happened yet, bummergrinning
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Sounds like another controversy brewing for you then.
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spockYeah, there are just no answers are there????rex
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No controversy...

"...And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory...."
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Since human life depends on accurate knowledge of God and Christ, would God OR Jesus want their identity obscure?


". 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."- John 17:3





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