Sandy Hook: Problematic EMS/LE response times AKA 9:40 final shot is bunk

They did - Salamy's mom was in the parking lot of the school making a 911 call. There are pictures of her racing back up Dickinson past about 30 evacuating students and teachers.

I also found a picture of Jesse Lewis' dad running toward the FD from Dickinson, but I'm imagining they had turned him away i.e. didn't let him run down Dickinson.

Police DID find family members trying to sneak onto the school grounds and they stopped them, some under threat of arrest.

Well isn't that special. We just "happen to have pictures" of Salamy and Lewis as well as the epic screaming Soto and the raising the hands to God! McDonnell's moment and the infamous Parker running down the street moment, etc. - all in our little picture book.

Pics of Salamy are inconvenient; they show the road blockage and even exactly which cars were doing the blocking. As for the picture of JL's dad, I don't know that anyone else has found it (or realized it was him).

Which as all the more poignant in that Salamy was the one screaming that there were no ambulances - and then we have a picture of her moments later which shows exactly why there are no ambulances, even thought at that moment EVERYONE but NPD was screaming for ambulances.

I don't know if people really understand the ghastly timeline, or the reason for the change in Nute's voice after Dahlmeyer said "call for everything."

At that moment, it was 10:03 a.m. No one had told Nute more ambulances were needed; in fact, he sent a third Newtown rig away thinking it wasn't needed.

At 10:03, there were exactly 2 ambulances at staging for 29 known casualties (well, known to NPD). by 10:05, there would be zero ambulances for the remaining 26 casualties.

Does anyone get that?

Zero ambulances for 26 people down.

Zero.

It had been overhalf an hour since the 911 call, and there were zero ambulances for the wounded.

Why don't you go ask Mergim what really happened?

not the firehouse - the SCHOOL.. if you had some inkling that your child was in there- unknown- injured, possibly dead..etc - You tell me you would not do everything under your power to get into that school??? Parents run into burning houses to rescue children..... Arrest me?? Go ahead- Arrest me if I am trying to see my kid- Interview 20 parents with that scenario and tell me what answer you get.

Look.

The FIRST 9-11 call with "Shots Fired!!!" in a school, should have sent cops, ambulances and Life-helicopters to that school's baseball field, or the very closest area immediately!!!

But what did they do???

Like a bunch of "Barney Fifes," cops from all depts., parked every which way, blocking the ONLY access for ambulances into the school while they flashed footage of more, "Barney Fifes" with tac gear storming into the school to "Save The Day!" only it was faked, inserted footage from another school!

Of the "Barney Fifes" that were eventually seen going into Sandy Hook, they all went through the shot-out glass with full equipment on, according to their report. You mean "Barney" didn't think to prop open the door?

The biggest "Barney Fife" moment was when the ambulances and helicopters (that were never called for,) were called off because the kids that weren't there, were reported dead. Now, how could they be so sure, a wounded child didn't crawl off and curl into a small place? After all, "Barney" didn't find a fully grown nurse and secretary in a storage room until 4 1/2 HOURS later!

Of course, it really doesn't matter what time shots were heard. They weren't going to send anyone officially anyway, because that school was CLOSED! Any shots heard, were from cops "shooting it up" themselves.

Yes, parents did try to get to the school. At the time most were on the premises (or near it), they didn't know anyone had been killed; they were turned away by police. Most civilians will accept being turned away by police when told "for the students' safety and your own you need to leave this area."

You must keep in mind that NO confirmation of death was given to parents until hours upon hours later. By that time every agency on earth stood between those parents and that school.

Parents didn't think their kids were dead, because children kept turning up in town, in nearby residences, at neighbors' houses--there was ZERO confirmation of any dead or injured children other than rumors of a couple children in ambulances. And it seems as if some of those children's parents (the ones taken by ambulance or police car) were informed of their child's whereabouts; for example, Ana's grandpa was told by the parents that she was in the hospital and gravely wounded and it wasn't known if she would make it.

This is odd of course because, officially, Ana never left the school.

Almost no parent had ANY clue where their child was or wasn't. Rumors of "orderly reunification" with children in neat little lines was a total lie. Several primary witnesses weren't found until that EVENING, and one wasn't ever found at all. Police just gave up.

A very early observation of this, and thank you, FBK.

I realize this post was a few years ago so I'm not expecting a response.. but hoping I get one anyways... Who or what is Billups'? What is this statement you are talking about and where can I find it?

Thread: BREAKING: Hartford Consensus: "Majority of Sandy Hook injuries were survivable."

We now know there are TWO reasons the Danbury State's Atty worked so hard to claim the "final shot" was fired inside the school at 9:40 a.m.:

1. At 9:46 a.m., Newtown officers began firing at plainclothed Connecticut State Police officers in the back hall

2. At 9:47 a.m., a Newtown officer fired at and struck a child he mistook for a suspect

Btw any of the old gang here?

There's a bullet hole in Roig's window.

[link to oi63.tinypic.com]

Connecticut State Police Trooper Patrick Dragon stated in his report that three shots were fired at 9:50 a.m.

"While enroute to the school the Troop A Dispatch broadcasted several updates stating that the shooter was still shooting along with the locations as wto where he was shooting in the school. One of the final broadcasts upon my arrival at the school was there had been three more shots heard. Upon my arrival on scene at approximately 0950..."

If the Sandy Hook shootings had been handled the way every, single cop in America is trained to handle such scenes,

1. NPD would have declared an MCI immediately upon seeing the first three classrooms

2. Bob Nute would have made a radio transmission establishing an MCI

3. States practice MCI over and over and over and over and over year after year after year. Upon Nute's transmission, MCI protocol would have gone into effect.

4. State police would have immediately established Unified Command.

5. Unified Command would have coordinated ambulance assignment

6. Unified Command would have summoned at least seven helicopters from as far away as New Jersey, and every news station in America would have shown those helicopters landing in and taking off from the Sandy Hook ball field.

7. Unified Command would have kept Dickenson AND Riverside clear AND opened up a secondary ambulance route behind the school.

8. Area hospitals would have been notified and a hospital triage established (which kind of patients [wounds] to which hospitals.

9. NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with scene safety. It is 100% independent of, and not related to, scene safety. The cops' job is to declare an MCI and clear the school; Unified Command's job is to ensure that patients actually have transport once the school is cleared.

10. None of the above happened, because NPD never declared an MCI.

Except for the fact that this image is wrong.

Most children had survivable wounds.

Ponder that.

quotes from "G. House" huh?! That's an oldie! what like 2014????! hahahaha......
You still looking for little gems from the past to continue your tired diatribe of delusional storyline?!

yeah sure, let me get this straight; barney fife of Newtown screwed up real bad and because he "accidentally" killed some of the children - he had to cover it up!!!! So like Rambo, that rat bastard started blowing the shit out of every kid in the house!!! or the rooms anyways.......
and all them little chillen' don't live no more and all his fellow officer's are keeping this hidden from everybody as well?!!!


That sound about right, is this what you're pushing? am I missing something?????

Last Edited by Seven7seven on 03/09/2019 07:49 PM

Ponder the fact that that poster is suggesting that it's to be expected that police are least effective when they're most needed.

There wasn't "grey matter splattered" from 20 children. ONE child had a head wound. One. And it's likely that he didn't yet have one upon police arrival.

19 others were in desperate need of rapid transport.

Is it possible that police didn't find the victims until 10? Compare the transmissions from 9:51 to 10:00. They're as calm as they can be given the situation. But at 10, all hell breaks loose and everyone is screaming for ambulances. The way everyone responds at 10 is exactly how I'd expect them to respond if they had just found 2 dozen gunshot victims. Maybe Smith really wasn't INSIDE room 10 when he announced a suspect down. When Penna asks for the location of the suspect all Smith says is "first hallway to the left." Maybe he literally meant the HALLWAY that is to the left if coming in through the main entrance. Lt. Vance and a lawsuit filed by Pozner, Heslin and Lewis have all stated that the suspect was found in the hallway. Maybe he really was.
Still doesn't explain why it'd take them nearly 10 more minutes to find 24 victims though. Maybe they were dealing with something else? A second suspect perhaps??

All I know is that Nute dispatched 2 because he was only aware of 2. Pisani and Hammond. And it appears that police didn't know they had an MCI until 10.

By then they're closer to death, the roads are all congested so when help finally arrives... it's too late.

Food for thought: O'Donnell stated "we're gonna need multiple ambulances... multiple"... "AND there's multiple KIA's" in his phone call with LaPrade just after 10:10. To me, this sounds like he's saying that there was both multiple INJURED and multiple dead..

It was Newtown's responsibility to declare an MCI.

They've been inside the building for 17 minutes.

Not a single NPD guy declared an MCI.

Who, when etc....finally declared one?

No one declared one.

A full hour passed before a third ambulance arrived.

An hour.

Ponder that.

During that time, the first two ambulances came and went..leaving zero.

Yup...that fact hasn't changed. It's just less vociferously countered. Glad to see someone else still reads these threads. Sad that the best of them have died off and interest has been lost. I'm still very interested in what went down that day and still believe the official story is bunk.

I've concluded that either WC or SS accidentally shot a student; in the ensuing chaos, NPD officers delayed (permanently, as it turns out) giving a scene assessment, i.e. they never once told their dispatcher there were 29 wounded, not 2 wounded.

Agreed. It's inarguable that NPD never declared a MCI. What's speculative, but highly probable, are the reasons why. That information will never see the light of day.