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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55934758 United States 05/01/2014 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. It's all true. good summation in such a short space... well done Binaural beats help facilitate the OOBE that Monroe talked about... he even 'rediscovered' them himself & utilized the concept for his own institute Tesla delved further into the 'simulation' than most... that's why he ain't talked about in yer classrooms children! ha! |
YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. It's all true. good summation in such a short space... well done Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55934758 Binaural beats help facilitate the OOBE that Monroe talked about... he even 'rediscovered' them himself & utilized the concept for his own institute Tesla delved further into the 'simulation' than most... that's why he ain't talked about in yer classrooms children! ha! Thanks AC. Robert A. Monroe will likely not have the wide recognition that he deserves; largely because it counters all the belief-systems that we fall trapped into when becoming human. People don't realize the power of belief-systems and their effects on us both here and in our non-physical reality but if you are a true seeker of truth, you need to abandon all beliefs and really get to the heart of the matter; and the heart of matter is thought. I love his work, and it's great to see many others carrying on that work and expanding on it like Tom Campbell. Even better when we as individuals start our own journeys similar to Robert's and see first hand the larger reality system. I've done my tour and I tell ya... no sense being all locked up in a cage when the truth really can set you free. Our reality is far greater than this physical sub-system we have become locked into. The goal really is to find the key (consciousness) and unlock the cage ( belief ) to walk out and find that you are more than human. |
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YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. Could we imagine into being a cosmic order where we never get tired of making love? And is that a good use of the power? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55721591 The thing is, you already create a lot of other reality-systems at night when you dream. The act of dreaming is for all intensive purposes your "reality-creation" training grounds where you get to play God and create anything your imagination can muster. Why the majority of that content doesn't swoop down and render here is because in this system it has a very strict set of rules which govern all the interactions that we have. The larger system filters out non-human, non-earthly experiences but lets those remain so that at some point you can have that eternal bachler pad with a few lovely mates... until you grow bored of it and want to move on to a new experience. It's all a creative process, creation via dreaming is eternal and absolute so we will create new realities beyond this one and have created this one at one point prior to our entanglement with the human experience. I'm not kidding when I say we are the very God we seek. The irony is that most thing of God as outside themselves and never see it reflecting back in the mirror until they finally remember who they really are. Not what they have temporarily become for the sake of having a life experience. |
Source User ID: 51452086 United States 05/01/2014 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. The computer simulation metaphor works well. It certainly works like a computer would... rendering reality as we experience it instead of wasting computing power by rendering an entire solid world into existence even if no one there to experience it. DMT actually allows you to see and even physically manipulate the language of the data stream. DMT is probably produced when we dream. I think the dream metaphor is also good. As Above, So Below We dream, therefore God dreams but on a scale of magnitude far beyond ours. The universe is God's dream. As you said, we are all "Avatars" (Which is highly synchronistic since just early today I also explained to my girlfriend that we are like "Avatars) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55934758 United States 05/01/2014 02:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. Thanks AC. Robert A. Monroe will likely not have the wide recognition that he deserves; largely because it counters all the belief-systems that we fall trapped into when becoming human. Quoting: YouAreDreaming People don't realize the power of belief-systems and their effects on us both here and in our non-physical reality but if you are a true seeker of truth, you need to abandon all beliefs and really get to the heart of the matter; and the heart of matter is thought. I love his work, and it's great to see many others carrying on that work and expanding on it like Tom Campbell. Even better when we as individuals start our own journeys similar to Robert's and see first hand the larger reality system. I've done my tour and I tell ya... no sense being all locked up in a cage when the truth really can set you free. Our reality is far greater than this physical sub-system we have become locked into. The goal really is to find the key (consciousness) and unlock the cage ( belief ) to walk out and find that you are more than human. I concur, though Campbell has put me off by suggesting alien life is SOLELY a manifestation of what others have either suggested or experience(d) in the context of 'other reality frames' ... this is probably the best answer he is permitted to discuss Still, he is doing good work as you say Beliefs are very powerful, as are expectations... the reality management team at the top is very old, and very clever Many people know about the Roths & other 'dynasties' controlling the situation and inserting these beliefs in the populace but few try to fathom who they were BEFORE the names we call them by... However, once you start getting into antiquity & 20000 KYA everything goes to hell far as clarity... so, it's very important to keep that in perspective in order to disregard the 'beliefs' we have inherited from our ANCESTORS |
ARCLIGHT01 User ID: 57434861 United States 05/01/2014 02:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. So what is the PURPOSE of it? .....1. Its a FILTER. ..........Separating one type from another. .....2. Its a Mechanism to determine the outcome of a Function. .......... 1. Love (Self governance) vs .......... 2. Death (Central governance by force through Law) What are the Rules? .....The rules are in my signature 1. Life - The Constructor (God) 2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God) 3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love. 4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate law 5. Competition - (the System of Death) |
YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. The computer simulation metaphor works well. It certainly works like a computer would... rendering reality as we experience it instead of wasting computing power by rendering an entire solid world into existence even if no one there to experience it. Quoting: Source 51452086 DMT actually allows you to see and even physically manipulate the language of the data stream. DMT is probably produced when we dream. I think the dream metaphor is also good. As Above, So Below We dream, therefore God dreams but on a scale of magnitude far beyond ours. The universe is God's dream. As you said, we are all "Avatars" (Which is highly synchronistic since just early today I also explained to my girlfriend that we are like "Avatars) We do have to use metaphores, as the other poster said he was lost at gaming missing the fact it is metaphorical to describe the similarity to virtual reality and our modern computer games; but the similarity is uncanny. And you are right that the system doesn't render all the data hence why atoms collapse back into data (wave-function) when it doesn't require rendering. That's part of it's own optimization to simply get to the player what it needs to render for the experience. I would say the dream metaphor is actually more factual then metaphorical. At least in dreaming you can see first hand how your have this ability to create a simulated dream experience that consists of pure thought organized into the setting, objects, characters and sensory experiences. Dreaming is another aspect of our ability to communicate in the larger reality system. It is the perfect example of non-verbal communication for those unaware they are speaking it at all. Now that it's revealed they can look at their dreams to see a language rather than just the dream content at face value. And you are also right, we individually dream micro-universes but when the Universe [God] dreams, we have reality. The Veda's god Brahma who they view as the true god, creator of all... effectively the same level of diety as other religions is the dreamer and when he dreams, he creates us. But they allude to a separation again from you and the dreams you are having as if to say you are not the dreamer of your dreams. There is no separation. Only belief that there is. God if we want to even use that term is still us and everything as a collective unified reality system. As Tom Campbell has said, and I endorse. We are all literally one. |
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awakesoul User ID: 32052967 United States 05/01/2014 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. I am a spiritual student on the path of non-duality. My favorite spiritual teacher is Dr. David Hawkins. He was an advocate of Monroe. Hawkins makes the same link between consciousness and quantum physics. I meditate constantly on reaching the source of awareness. In so doing I can reach the state of watcher/witnesser. In trying to explain this state to others I often use the analogy of Avator and the Matrix. That the non-physical you is what is in the pod experiencing life through the avator body and what we experience is like the programs running in the Matrix. But the teachers of enlightenment would say that the analogy does not go far enough because the analogy is dualistic. That there is a "you" seperate from souce. The Mystics all say that we are not seperate from source. Hawkins likens it to the sun on a cloudy day. When the clouds are removed the sun shines forth. Awakening to our true reality is the state called enlightment. The Buddha said that this realization is essential to the ending of suffering (rebirth). I agree with what you have said and just added a little from my perspective. |
YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. I concur, though Campbell has put me off by suggesting alien life is SOLELY a manifestation of what others have either suggested or experience(d) in the context of 'other reality frames' ... this is probably the best answer he is permitted to discuss Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55934758 Still, he is doing good work as you say Beliefs are very powerful, as are expectations... the reality management team at the top is very old, and very clever Many people know about the Roths & other 'dynasties' controlling the situation and inserting these beliefs in the populace but few try to fathom who they were BEFORE the names we call them by... However, once you start getting into antiquity & 20000 KYA everything goes to hell far as clarity... so, it's very important to keep that in perspective in order to disregard the 'beliefs' we have inherited from our ANCESTORS I haven't caught his insights on Aliens and I also do not agree, Aliens in my opinion exist and are not manifestations. This Universe is a populated one with many worlds that offer different life experiences. We are ALIEN right now. We are an alien species on a world. And there are other worlds with other alien species evolving, experiencing and we can after we dump out and die in this system move to those systems and become those beings just as we came here to become a human in this one. That is what makes the larger system so amazing... there are so many opportunities amplified into infinity for us to experience. We are going to be at it... having experiences for a very, very long time. |
YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. So what is the PURPOSE of it? Quoting: ARCLIGHT01 .....1. Its a FILTER. ..........Separating one type from another. .....2. Its a Mechanism to determine the outcome of a Function. .......... 1. Love (Self governance) vs .......... 2. Death (Central governance by force through Law) What are the Rules? .....The rules are in my signature I've booked marked your site, nice perspective on things. You've definitely taken the information road to reality. |
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YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. We have know this for thousands of years, but nicely put. Quoting: talkstory "the universe exists in the mind of the ALL" the simulation. And that is what I love about who we really are as each of us have our own inner universe. Another reality-system that contains our dreams and many are blind to this fact that they exist in many reality-frames (as Tom Campbell puts it ) yet they fumble in their dreams unaware of this epic journey in a grand universe of the self that they are unconsciously walking in. It's so much better to wake up and actually be there as your waking self; so much to explore and experience in this inner-realm of one's true self. We are humans, we are Universes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57558841 United States 05/01/2014 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. I too have come to very similar if not identical conclusions about this reality. I think "Render" is a great way to define wave-function probability distribution, it is amazing how much you can learn about this simulation by creating another digital simulation or game. It totally explains why everything is fractal in nature and how we relate to the world we are immersed into. I have also come to the conclusion that our thoughts and desires serve as an input function to a certain level. What are your thoughts on manifesting reality? |
Sammie User ID: 50322101 United States 05/01/2014 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. Great post, YouAreDreaming. Can you go into some further details regarding entanglement? For example, how our individual dances (thought emergent realities) interplay with one another? "Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow". ~Aesop "Once in a dream I saw a snake swallowing its own tail, it swallowed and swallowed until it got halfway round, and there it stopped and there it stayed, it was stuffed with its own self. Some fix, that. We only have ourselves to go on, and it’s enough…" -Charles Bukowski "Grasping at things can only yield one of two results: Either the thing you are grasping at disappears, or you yourself disappear. It is only a matter of which occurs first." -Goenka |
YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. I am a spiritual student on the path of non-duality. My favorite spiritual teacher is Dr. David Hawkins. He was an advocate of Monroe. Hawkins makes the same link between consciousness and quantum physics. I meditate constantly on reaching the source of awareness. In so doing I can reach the state of watcher/witnesser. In trying to explain this state to others I often use the analogy of Avator and the Matrix. That the non-physical you is what is in the pod experiencing life through the avator body and what we experience is like the programs running in the Matrix. But the teachers of enlightenment would say that the analogy does not go far enough because the analogy is dualistic. That there is a "you" seperate from souce. The Mystics all say that we are not seperate from source. Hawkins likens it to the sun on a cloudy day. When the clouds are removed the sun shines forth. Quoting: awakesoul 32052967 Awakening to our true reality is the state called enlightment. The Buddha said that this realization is essential to the ending of suffering (rebirth). I agree with what you have said and just added a little from my perspective. I haven't heard of Dr. David Hawkins and sounds like someone who I should check out so will do some googling after. You probably caught how I already addressed the dualism in saying we cannot think in terms of separation as that separation is the illusion. The mystics are right, we are not separate from the source, or the true self, or God... pick a label. We are and always have been a Universal entity. The doors of perception once open can show you how deep that rabbit hole goes once you start to tumble into yourself. It's why I advocate lucid dreaming for those eager to try something new... have a new perspective and from there hopefully they can go deeper and deeper into this crazy system. I love it! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57397407 United Kingdom 05/01/2014 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. On the same page as you, OP. I studied quantum physics at uni and developed a thesis about quantum consciousness. The simulation model is hugely compelling at a rigorous academic level as well as at a 'common sense', everyday level. |
YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 03:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. How are lives of such misery a grand adventure in this simulator? Why be so disconnected for eons? I don't get it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323418 I know people always present the suffering argument, why oh why if we are creating this reality do people suffer. When you know, and I mean actually know not believe, hopefully through remembering that you do in fact exist in a state of absolute eternal endlessness and cannot die as an awareness, the suffering on Earth is merely an experience that teaches empathy. People who suffer learn through it, and those lessons carry onward into other lifetimes because we are evolving to become more empathetic and loving. It's a tough lesson, I agree that suffering isn't pleasant but when that person dies and wakes up... was it really all that bad. You get a tooth pulled, it hurts for a bit, you heal and move on. You play with fire, get burned and stop playing with it. It's all part of learning and also part of simple circumstances. You fall, bruise a knee... well that's human life. Prior to becoming human you didn't know falling or knees. Now you do, so you've learned via that experience. I don't endorse suffering but I have seen how suffering evolves empathy and love; we do grow from it. In the big picture... it was simply part of being human and a very heavy experience for that time. Only temporary too. We do not suffer eternally as some would like to believe. |
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YouAreDreaming (OP) User ID: 56393335 Canada 05/01/2014 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is. Great post, YouAreDreaming. Quoting: Sammie Can you go into some further details regarding entanglement? For example, how our individual dances (thought emergent realities) interplay with one another? I can take a stab at it from my perspective. Before we become human, and I have to put emphasis on that because so many of us think our origin started with the birth as a human which is fine, that's part of how this system locks us into the lifetime we experience. I'll get to that but first address Universal entanglement from a mathematical, geometrical and cosmological point of view. If we get to the idea that we are literally one, similar to what Carl Jung describes as the collective unconscious we can find our roots in singularity theory and how a singularity [oneness] can evolve into the first/second/third dimension and become everything. We see entanglement in photons/electrons and even John Wheeler and Richard Feynman put together the "One electron" hypothesis which suggested that there is really only one electron in the Universe that is entangled with itself appearing everywhere as each electron they observe appears to be the same. In virtual reality theory as put forth in Brian Whitworth's works he describes the electron as a class that is being re-used over and over again by the virtual reality as a digital function. If we look at the singularity and how it gives birth to physical reality in cosmology, to get it to where it needs to be we need to add "awareness" to that singularity. How does a singularity expand? In any expansion, it has to move into new states of dimensionality as the singularity is effectively what a point would be in the zero-dimension. To expand physically, it has to either duplicate or stretch into the first dimension, second-dimension, third-dimension and so forth. If it duplicates, it becomes a point that begins to prop up the first/second/third manifolds etc. Ergo, you would have a single electron, or single point behaving as the original singularity and I think Hassim Haramein's theories delve into this also that he thinks every atom has a singularity or black-hole at the center. If you remove the point, every dimensional manifold it now props up will collapse back to the singularity. If you don't you will find that point in every single dimension it props up, and that is entanglement. It is where one becomes many and in each new dimension more information becomes available for that singularity thus more experience can be gained and had. So we see entanglement in physics, and electrons/photons and it suggests that everything did in fact come from a singularity and if that is true then everything is already entangled with everything else. From the digital view, a singularity needs to become binary information, it needs to have two states either on/off, active/inactive and pulse out a sequence that represents the first dimension. We can see in binary code how a simple state can ultimately form the mathematical requirements to simulate 2nd, 3rd, 4th [animation] dimensions. The singularity can then evolve an information feild, or an event horizon and all that data it creates would then describe the physical universe assuming it has no limits to how much binary sequencing it can create and store. In math we can simply do the same with Cartesian mathematics and create geometrical representations of each dimension so we have three systems that can represent what is needed to create a 3rd dimensional reality either physically, or through simulation. However, our reality is consciousness so there is a fourth system whereby consciousness must evolve into a geometrical information system and simulate 3rd dimensional space/time and it does... all the time using dreaming as those are perfect examples of consciousness simulating spacial reality. What we can see is that each of these systems do require a singularity that is at the root, and that singularity must evolve/expand to become more than itself. To do so would create entanglement in every example above as it really becomes one thing which has expanded into everything else. In dreaming you can find that people can have shared dreams. There is a book by Lynda Lane Magellion called Mutual Dreaming where she discovered through reading dream journals of participants that some of their content was shared. This has also been observed in the explorer material with the Monroe Instititue. In my own experiences, although rare I have had shared dreams with people through out my life and even been around when other people casually discussing dreams discovered that they had shared it. That starts to answer your questions about how we move into and out of these other information states and yes we can have encounters with friends/familly in these other states. I do believe this is because we are all one, and entangled with the system we have grown into. Now there is one more point of discussion I was also eluding to in raising entanglement which is being "locked in" to the Earth experience as being human. Robert A. Monroe talks about this also in how we come here to have these new experiences and through each lifetime become more addicted to life until we can reach what he calls escape velocity and finally stop being human implying that our repeat journeys back to this place stems from an addictive need for human experience. I somewhat agree. What I do know about this system is that it "locks us in" and layers us deep with belief-systems that weigh us down from realizing that we did indeed exist before this system, and I also think it's by design. This system is designed to keep us believing that it's the only absolute thing there is otherwise we would not really have the rich heavy experiences of being an Atheist, or a Fanatic, or a street bum... all those character roles would loose their valuable meanings as human character roles. I think the system likes to keep us in role-play and forces us to play those roles that we chose coming into it. So it locks us in and we forget thus the cycle of rebirth starts and we bitch about it until we get clear enough to realize that we really are more than human, that there is more than Earth and being human, and that all the human belief we got in life was Earth only baggage that keeps dragging us back in. There is a graduation from this place, I've seen it and it rocks hard core... makes all this crap worth it in the big picture. Hope my winded reply helps. |