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This may be hard for you to accept. You might have beliefs and ideas implanted into you that will out-right reject what I am going to expose but time will show you, and you will find out that what I am about to discuss is not only fact, but the way it will always be for eternity.

The first fact is our belief in physical reality, materialism and the idea that the Universe was created by a big-bang, that there is no life-after-death and we have just randomly evolved is an absolute myth... yes from within this system it appears that way, but everything here is not as it seems.

To really grasp this; imagine that our Universe is in fact a simulated virtual reality whereby we are all interacting within a programmed set of rules which render out in what appears as our reality.

Take a character from a game like World of Warcraft. Inside that game world, the character will never know that it exists in a simulated reality because the game world defines what it's reality is, how the physics and the rules create the interactions for the character.

Take that same kind of premise and put yourself right now into a virtual reality simulation along side of everyone else where we are completely unaware that it is being simulated at all. You cannot define the outside reality that is running the simulation ergo all your science and beliefs are products of what the simulation is telling you, but not at all what is going on behind the simulation.

Well, like it or not, we absolutely exist in a virtual reality. Science is starting to wake up thanks to spooky action from a distance behavior in quantum mechanics. Quantum entanglement (where one photon can exist in two locations in space/time).

Particle wave duality which means a photon/electron can be either a particle or a wave-pattern. This has now been observed in carbon atoms and even carbon molecules (bucky-balls) which implies that atoms themselves can loose their solidity which we believe constitutes physical reality.

Well... no. They exist as wave-function in a probability distribution which is relative to superposition (the 5th dimension) and collapse... the better word that physicists need to use is... *RENDER* when being observed because our reality is at the quantum level, information only. The wave-function is a datastream and when we access that data (observe it) it renders (not collapses) into particles because the virtual reality simulation has to render that for our experience.

So forget about existing in a solid atomic world, that is completely being scrapped thanks to these profound discoveries in quantum mechanics.

What we really have is a datastream which is information that describes our reality programmatically. We interact with that data, render that data into a view and the system calculates those interactions and determines what happens in the next clock-cycle based on those interactions.

Now you are probably thinking I've watched the Matrix and blah blah... just because the people who wrote the script borrowed from other ideas that have been around doesn't mean the idea we exist in a digital virtual reality is a false fantasy work of science fiction.

The fact is, many religious, philosophical people through history have come to this understanding in their own terms. For example the Veda's believe we exist in Maya which is illusion. Plato's Allegory of the Cave describes a similar concept. The Gnostics believe we exist in a spiritual prison, a false reality that has trapped our soul.

Rene Descartes argued the brain-in-a-vat to counter the idea that we should blindly trust what our senses tell us about reality that in fact we could be fed a false reality to our senses by a computer.

So the Matrix is just a movie, it is fantasy and no we are not batteries hooked up to a grid where machines feed of our biological energy while we are plugged into a false virtual reality.

But we do in fact exist in a simulated virtual reality by all definitions. But it is even deeper than that. Just getting to the idea that our reality is a created phenomena is half the battle.

There IS another reality that exists on the outside of this Universe. It is the reality that runs the simulation and what it is not, is a physical reality that it simulates.

This is where you come in, and why you are here in this simulation having a human experience unaware that you exist in another reality-system that exists outside space/time as our space/time is merely information that this system is generating in a form of a datastream that your are interfacing with and rendering into your life experience here.

You are for all intensive purposes an "avatar" in a cosmic video game playing "what is it like to be human" with a lot more depth than if you also rolled a character in World of Warcraft and played a Tauren in that simulated virtual world.

Sorry to break it to you... but you are a character being played by another part of you. This other part of you exists in this non-physical reality and has an invested interest in what you achieve in this simulation.

The gnostics also were aware of this and in their terms they called it the Daemon/Eidolon relationship where the Daemon is the God-self or the higher-self or the soul, and the Eidolon is the part of it which is having the human experience. They are actually very close to figuring it out.

There is another part of you that is also non-physical and exists outside of this simulation projecting a part of it's awareness into the avatar that you now represent. This is also why when you die in this simulation (de-virtualize) you snap back to the same non-physical reality which is your genuine origin.

Why do you, the Eidolon part not know or remember any of this? You do have the capacity to remember. At some point you are going to have to remember, likely after you die and wake back up in the larger reality system where you really reside. The reason for it is very simple. We are far more evolved and advanced than the characters we play as human mutton heads. The Daemon part effectively is omnipotent and God; it is the part of you that is eternal, unending and absolute. It is the part of you that can never die and has always existed.

It is the part of you that has seen the birth and deaths of entire Universes and it remembers... so it's fine to set a part of itself out into this created simulation for the thrill of having a new experience because it knows what that entire life will be, and where you ultimately will end up in the end so that's the good news. Your body will die, and you eventually emerge back to your true-self... not the character in life you play; not saying that it's not important as it is... but it is only important for that single lifetime and not much more.

Let's get back to the datastream and why this is important in understanding how our reality is simulated in the first place. What creates the datastream, how is it programmed and how do we render that datastream into a view of reality. What keeps us locked in here so that we must endure this entire life where our only true exit is until death do we part?

I'll borrow from the observations of Robert A. Monroe who is the founder of The Monroe institute. He has pioneered and modernized the art of being wide-awake and conscious during sleep which people call lucid dreaming or out-of-body experiences. Regardless of those two definitions, what is more important is that we can be conscious and self-aware when the body is at rest. And in doing so, we can start to remember ourselves in this other reality because being in that state automatically puts us back there. In fact, every-time we dream we are back there as the dreamstate resides in non-physical reality.

What did Robert A. Monroe observe and why is it important. In his book Far Journeys he discovered while in that focus state there would be other advanced intelligent species which he coined INSPEC (Intelligent Species) that would send him a thought-packet that he called Non-verbal communication. When he interacted with the thought-packet he would experience a vivid 3D dream-like reality from that being's experience perspective gaining what they had experienced and shared that experience as a fully immersed 3D dream experience.

Well so what... a being gave him a dream no big deal. No... it is a very big deal because Non-Verbal Communication is how we communicate in a very highly-organized thought process. When you dream at night, you are already speaking in this language as it's native to who you are. Your dreams are Non-Verbal Communication so have a good hard look at what you can accomplish with this language as it can simulate and define a virtual dream reality as effortlessly as breathing and that is not by accident. You didn't go to school to learn NVC, you've always spoke it and are in fact speaking it right now likely unaware that this reality is an NVC data-packet your are running.

This reality is actually a language spoken from the larger-reality system in the form of organized thoughts and you are feeding right into that datastream rendering those thoughts into your experience of reality all the time unaware that you are running a well-defined thought experience that is simulating your reality.

You might think that's crazy talk, but look at your own dreams to start to remember how this is done. Heck, I know some of you have had precognitive dreams linked to Deja Vu where when the deja kicks in you link the source of familiarity to something you dreamed of in the past. Well... hello! That's because the dream IS reality organizing itself into this datastream. It's all thought.

There is no wave-function collapse... the wave-function is a datastream of Non-Verbal communication from a larger reality system of highly intelligent god-like dreamers which in fact is you all along.

When you can see this other reality system and understand that thought creates reality; through the act of organizing thought into dream-packets which define a virtual reality experience then you'll see that all we are doing is creating new patterns of thought which equal new experiences of reality to pass our time in an absolutely eternal endless state of existence.

Well... that's what I wanted to discuss so have at it.

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It's all true. good summation in such a short space... well done

Binaural beats help facilitate the OOBE that Monroe talked about... he even 'rediscovered' them himself & utilized the concept for his own institute

Tesla delved further into the 'simulation' than most... that's why he ain't talked about in yer classrooms children!

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It's all true. good summation in such a short space... well done

Binaural beats help facilitate the OOBE that Monroe talked about... he even 'rediscovered' them himself & utilized the concept for his own institute

Tesla delved further into the 'simulation' than most... that's why he ain't talked about in yer classrooms children!

ha!
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Thanks AC. Robert A. Monroe will likely not have the wide recognition that he deserves; largely because it counters all the belief-systems that we fall trapped into when becoming human.

People don't realize the power of belief-systems and their effects on us both here and in our non-physical reality but if you are a true seeker of truth, you need to abandon all beliefs and really get to the heart of the matter; and the heart of matter is thought.

I love his work, and it's great to see many others carrying on that work and expanding on it like Tom Campbell. Even better when we as individuals start our own journeys similar to Robert's and see first hand the larger reality system.

I've done my tour and I tell ya... no sense being all locked up in a cage when the truth really can set you free.

Our reality is far greater than this physical sub-system we have become locked into. The goal really is to find the key (consciousness) and unlock the cage ( belief ) to walk out and find that you are more than human.
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How wrong would it be if a person wants to understand this only well enough to have a comfortable bachelor pad and eternal life with one or two pretty mates?
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Could we imagine into being a cosmic order where we never get tired of making love? And is that a good use of the power?
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Could we imagine into being a cosmic order where we never get tired of making love? And is that a good use of the power?
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The thing is, you already create a lot of other reality-systems at night when you dream. The act of dreaming is for all intensive purposes your "reality-creation" training grounds where you get to play God and create anything your imagination can muster.

Why the majority of that content doesn't swoop down and render here is because in this system it has a very strict set of rules which govern all the interactions that we have.

The larger system filters out non-human, non-earthly experiences but lets those remain so that at some point you can have that eternal bachler pad with a few lovely mates... until you grow bored of it and want to move on to a new experience.

It's all a creative process, creation via dreaming is eternal and absolute so we will create new realities beyond this one and have created this one at one point prior to our entanglement with the human experience.

I'm not kidding when I say we are the very God we seek. The irony is that most thing of God as outside themselves and never see it reflecting back in the mirror until they finally remember who they really are.

Not what they have temporarily become for the sake of having a life experience.
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The computer simulation metaphor works well. It certainly works like a computer would... rendering reality as we experience it instead of wasting computing power by rendering an entire solid world into existence even if no one there to experience it.

DMT actually allows you to see and even physically manipulate the language of the data stream. DMT is probably produced when we dream.

I think the dream metaphor is also good.

As Above, So Below

We dream, therefore God dreams but on a scale of magnitude far beyond ours. The universe is God's dream. As you said, we are all "Avatars" (Which is highly synchronistic since just early today I also explained to my girlfriend that we are like "Avatars)
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You lost me at gaming. Nice thinking, tho.
Be free, please.
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Thanks AC. Robert A. Monroe will likely not have the wide recognition that he deserves; largely because it counters all the belief-systems that we fall trapped into when becoming human.

People don't realize the power of belief-systems and their effects on us both here and in our non-physical reality but if you are a true seeker of truth, you need to abandon all beliefs and really get to the heart of the matter; and the heart of matter is thought.

I love his work, and it's great to see many others carrying on that work and expanding on it like Tom Campbell. Even better when we as individuals start our own journeys similar to Robert's and see first hand the larger reality system.

I've done my tour and I tell ya... no sense being all locked up in a cage when the truth really can set you free.

Our reality is far greater than this physical sub-system we have become locked into. The goal really is to find the key (consciousness) and unlock the cage ( belief ) to walk out and find that you are more than human.
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I concur, though Campbell has put me off by suggesting alien life is SOLELY a manifestation of what others have either suggested or experience(d) in the context of 'other reality frames' ... this is probably the best answer he is permitted to discuss

Still, he is doing good work as you say

Beliefs are very powerful, as are expectations... the reality management team at the top is very old, and very clever

Many people know about the Roths & other 'dynasties' controlling the situation and inserting these beliefs in the populace but few try to fathom who they were BEFORE the names we call them by...

However, once you start getting into antiquity & 20000 KYA everything goes to hell far as clarity... so, it's very important to keep that in perspective in order to disregard the 'beliefs' we have inherited from our ANCESTORS
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So what is the PURPOSE of it?

.....1. Its a FILTER.
..........Separating one type from another.

.....2. Its a Mechanism to determine the outcome of a Function.
.......... 1. Love (Self governance) vs
.......... 2. Death (Central governance by force through Law)

What are the Rules?

.....The rules are in my signature
1. Life - The Constructor (God)
2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God)
3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love.
4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate law
5. Competition - (the System of Death)
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The computer simulation metaphor works well. It certainly works like a computer would... rendering reality as we experience it instead of wasting computing power by rendering an entire solid world into existence even if no one there to experience it.

DMT actually allows you to see and even physically manipulate the language of the data stream. DMT is probably produced when we dream.

I think the dream metaphor is also good.

As Above, So Below

We dream, therefore God dreams but on a scale of magnitude far beyond ours. The universe is God's dream. As you said, we are all "Avatars" (Which is highly synchronistic since just early today I also explained to my girlfriend that we are like "Avatars)
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We do have to use metaphores, as the other poster said he was lost at gaming missing the fact it is metaphorical to describe the similarity to virtual reality and our modern computer games; but the similarity is uncanny.

And you are right that the system doesn't render all the data hence why atoms collapse back into data (wave-function) when it doesn't require rendering. That's part of it's own optimization to simply get to the player what it needs to render for the experience.

I would say the dream metaphor is actually more factual then metaphorical. At least in dreaming you can see first hand how your have this ability to create a simulated dream experience that consists of pure thought organized into the setting, objects, characters and sensory experiences.

Dreaming is another aspect of our ability to communicate in the larger reality system. It is the perfect example of non-verbal communication for those unaware they are speaking it at all. Now that it's revealed they can look at their dreams to see a language rather than just the dream content at face value.

And you are also right, we individually dream micro-universes but when the Universe [God] dreams, we have reality. The Veda's god Brahma who they view as the true god, creator of all... effectively the same level of diety as other religions is the dreamer and when he dreams, he creates us.

But they allude to a separation again from you and the dreams you are having as if to say you are not the dreamer of your dreams. There is no separation. Only belief that there is. God if we want to even use that term is still us and everything as a collective unified reality system.

As Tom Campbell has said, and I endorse.

We are all literally one.
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We have know this for thousands of years, but nicely put.

"the universe exists in the mind of the ALL"

the simulation.
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I am a spiritual student on the path of non-duality. My favorite spiritual teacher is Dr. David Hawkins. He was an advocate of Monroe. Hawkins makes the same link between consciousness and quantum physics. I meditate constantly on reaching the source of awareness. In so doing I can reach the state of watcher/witnesser. In trying to explain this state to others I often use the analogy of Avator and the Matrix. That the non-physical you is what is in the pod experiencing life through the avator body and what we experience is like the programs running in the Matrix. But the teachers of enlightenment would say that the analogy does not go far enough because the analogy is dualistic. That there is a "you" seperate from souce. The Mystics all say that we are not seperate from source. Hawkins likens it to the sun on a cloudy day. When the clouds are removed the sun shines forth.

Awakening to our true reality is the state called enlightment. The Buddha said that this realization is essential to the ending of suffering (rebirth).

I agree with what you have said and just added a little from my perspective.
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I concur, though Campbell has put me off by suggesting alien life is SOLELY a manifestation of what others have either suggested or experience(d) in the context of 'other reality frames' ... this is probably the best answer he is permitted to discuss

Still, he is doing good work as you say

Beliefs are very powerful, as are expectations... the reality management team at the top is very old, and very clever

Many people know about the Roths & other 'dynasties' controlling the situation and inserting these beliefs in the populace but few try to fathom who they were BEFORE the names we call them by...

However, once you start getting into antiquity & 20000 KYA everything goes to hell far as clarity... so, it's very important to keep that in perspective in order to disregard the 'beliefs' we have inherited from our ANCESTORS
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I haven't caught his insights on Aliens and I also do not agree, Aliens in my opinion exist and are not manifestations. This Universe is a populated one with many worlds that offer different life experiences.

We are ALIEN right now. We are an alien species on a world. And there are other worlds with other alien species evolving, experiencing and we can after we dump out and die in this system move to those systems and become those beings just as we came here to become a human in this one.

That is what makes the larger system so amazing... there are so many opportunities amplified into infinity for us to experience. We are going to be at it... having experiences for a very, very long time.
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So what is the PURPOSE of it?

.....1. Its a FILTER.
..........Separating one type from another.

.....2. Its a Mechanism to determine the outcome of a Function.
.......... 1. Love (Self governance) vs
.......... 2. Death (Central governance by force through Law)

What are the Rules?

.....The rules are in my signature
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I've booked marked your site, nice perspective on things. You've definitely taken the information road to reality.
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How are lives of such misery a grand adventure in this simulator? Why be so disconnected for eons? I don't get it.
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OP

here is something you may not know -- 'the Secret Life of Plants'

enjoy
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We have know this for thousands of years, but nicely put.

"the universe exists in the mind of the ALL"

the simulation.
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And that is what I love about who we really are as each of us have our own inner universe. Another reality-system that contains our dreams and many are blind to this fact that they exist in many reality-frames (as Tom Campbell puts it ) yet they fumble in their dreams unaware of this epic journey in a grand universe of the self that they are unconsciously walking in.

It's so much better to wake up and actually be there as your waking self; so much to explore and experience in this inner-realm of one's true self.

We are humans, we are Universes.
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I too have come to very similar if not identical conclusions about this reality. I think "Render" is a great way to define wave-function probability distribution, it is amazing how much you can learn about this simulation by creating another digital simulation or game. It totally explains why everything is fractal in nature and how we relate to the world we are immersed into. I have also come to the conclusion that our thoughts and desires serve as an input function to a certain level. What are your thoughts on manifesting reality?
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Great post, YouAreDreaming.

Can you go into some further details regarding entanglement? For example, how our individual dances (thought emergent realities) interplay with one another?
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I am a spiritual student on the path of non-duality. My favorite spiritual teacher is Dr. David Hawkins. He was an advocate of Monroe. Hawkins makes the same link between consciousness and quantum physics. I meditate constantly on reaching the source of awareness. In so doing I can reach the state of watcher/witnesser. In trying to explain this state to others I often use the analogy of Avator and the Matrix. That the non-physical you is what is in the pod experiencing life through the avator body and what we experience is like the programs running in the Matrix. But the teachers of enlightenment would say that the analogy does not go far enough because the analogy is dualistic. That there is a "you" seperate from souce. The Mystics all say that we are not seperate from source. Hawkins likens it to the sun on a cloudy day. When the clouds are removed the sun shines forth.

Awakening to our true reality is the state called enlightment. The Buddha said that this realization is essential to the ending of suffering (rebirth).

I agree with what you have said and just added a little from my perspective.
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I haven't heard of Dr. David Hawkins and sounds like someone who I should check out so will do some googling after.

You probably caught how I already addressed the dualism in saying we cannot think in terms of separation as that separation is the illusion.

The mystics are right, we are not separate from the source, or the true self, or God... pick a label. We are and always have been a Universal entity.

The doors of perception once open can show you how deep that rabbit hole goes once you start to tumble into yourself.

It's why I advocate lucid dreaming for those eager to try something new... have a new perspective and from there hopefully they can go deeper and deeper into this crazy system.

I love it!
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On the same page as you, OP. I studied quantum physics at uni and developed a thesis about quantum consciousness. The simulation model is hugely compelling at a rigorous academic level as well as at a 'common sense', everyday level.
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How are lives of such misery a grand adventure in this simulator? Why be so disconnected for eons? I don't get it.
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I know people always present the suffering argument, why oh why if we are creating this reality do people suffer. When you know, and I mean actually know not believe, hopefully through remembering that you do in fact exist in a state of absolute eternal endlessness and cannot die as an awareness, the suffering on Earth is merely an experience that teaches empathy.

People who suffer learn through it, and those lessons carry onward into other lifetimes because we are evolving to become more empathetic and loving. It's a tough lesson, I agree that suffering isn't pleasant but when that person dies and wakes up... was it really all that bad.

You get a tooth pulled, it hurts for a bit, you heal and move on. You play with fire, get burned and stop playing with it. It's all part of learning and also part of simple circumstances.

You fall, bruise a knee... well that's human life. Prior to becoming human you didn't know falling or knees. Now you do, so you've learned via that experience.

I don't endorse suffering but I have seen how suffering evolves empathy and love; we do grow from it.

In the big picture... it was simply part of being human and a very heavy experience for that time. Only temporary too. We do not suffer eternally as some would like to believe.
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here is something you may not know -- 'the Secret Life of Plants'

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I've heard about it, and have meant to check it out so maybe that's my reminder.
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Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is.
Can't say I disagree with any of that, except perhaps that as smart monkies with Archon matrix, derived minds we are in a further sandboxed program within the larger program.
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We're binary entities connected by worm hole type structures to both the physical and the spiritual worlds.
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We are here to experience evil. And learn from it. Simple.
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Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is.
:billmechelle:

Read the KJB. Your post is confusing God is not confusion.
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Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is.
So what is the PURPOSE of it?

.....1. Its a FILTER.
..........Separating one type from another.

.....2. Its a Mechanism to determine the outcome of a Function.
.......... 1. Love (Self governance) vs
.......... 2. Death (Central governance by force through Law)

What are the Rules?

.....The rules are in my signature
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Even the so-called "material world", the physical, tangible "reality" is nothing but a steady, shape-form taken and looking constantly moving, boiling and vibrating quantum foam of inexplicable energies...Even the hard core materialists are faced with the fact that scientifically, there is no matter as such hf
"Have a vision of life that inspires you, then try every day to grow closer to the fulfillment of that vision."

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Re: I want to have a deep discussion about who and what we really are, and what this reality actually is.
Great post, YouAreDreaming.

Can you go into some further details regarding entanglement? For example, how our individual dances (thought emergent realities) interplay with one another?
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I can take a stab at it from my perspective. Before we become human, and I have to put emphasis on that because so many of us think our origin started with the birth as a human which is fine, that's part of how this system locks us into the lifetime we experience. I'll get to that but first address Universal entanglement from a mathematical, geometrical and cosmological point of view.

If we get to the idea that we are literally one, similar to what Carl Jung describes as the collective unconscious we can find our roots in singularity theory and how a singularity [oneness] can evolve into the first/second/third dimension and become everything.

We see entanglement in photons/electrons and even John Wheeler and Richard Feynman put together the "One electron" hypothesis which suggested that there is really only one electron in the Universe that is entangled with itself appearing everywhere as each electron they observe appears to be the same.

In virtual reality theory as put forth in Brian Whitworth's works he describes the electron as a class that is being re-used over and over again by the virtual reality as a digital function.

If we look at the singularity and how it gives birth to physical reality in cosmology, to get it to where it needs to be we need to add "awareness" to that singularity. How does a singularity expand?

In any expansion, it has to move into new states of dimensionality as the singularity is effectively what a point would be in the zero-dimension.

To expand physically, it has to either duplicate or stretch into the first dimension, second-dimension, third-dimension and so forth. If it duplicates, it becomes a point that begins to prop up the first/second/third manifolds etc. Ergo, you would have a single electron, or single point behaving as the original singularity and I think Hassim Haramein's theories delve into this also that he thinks every atom has a singularity or black-hole at the center.

If you remove the point, every dimensional manifold it now props up will collapse back to the singularity. If you don't you will find that point in every single dimension it props up, and that is entanglement.

It is where one becomes many and in each new dimension more information becomes available for that singularity thus more experience can be gained and had.

So we see entanglement in physics, and electrons/photons and it suggests that everything did in fact come from a singularity and if that is true then everything is already entangled with everything else.

From the digital view, a singularity needs to become binary information, it needs to have two states either on/off, active/inactive and pulse out a sequence that represents the first dimension. We can see in binary code how a simple state can ultimately form the mathematical requirements to simulate 2nd, 3rd, 4th [animation] dimensions.

The singularity can then evolve an information feild, or an event horizon and all that data it creates would then describe the physical universe assuming it has no limits to how much binary sequencing it can create and store.

In math we can simply do the same with Cartesian mathematics and create geometrical representations of each dimension so we have three systems that can represent what is needed to create a 3rd dimensional reality either physically, or through simulation.

However, our reality is consciousness so there is a fourth system whereby consciousness must evolve into a geometrical information system and simulate 3rd dimensional space/time and it does... all the time using dreaming as those are perfect examples of consciousness simulating spacial reality.

What we can see is that each of these systems do require a singularity that is at the root, and that singularity must evolve/expand to become more than itself. To do so would create entanglement in every example above as it really becomes one thing which has expanded into everything else.

In dreaming you can find that people can have shared dreams. There is a book by Lynda Lane Magellion called Mutual Dreaming where she discovered through reading dream journals of participants that some of their content was shared.

This has also been observed in the explorer material with the Monroe Instititue.

In my own experiences, although rare I have had shared dreams with people through out my life and even been around when other people casually discussing dreams discovered that they had shared it.

That starts to answer your questions about how we move into and out of these other information states and yes we can have encounters with friends/familly in these other states.

I do believe this is because we are all one, and entangled with the system we have grown into.

Now there is one more point of discussion I was also eluding to in raising entanglement which is being "locked in" to the Earth experience as being human.

Robert A. Monroe talks about this also in how we come here to have these new experiences and through each lifetime become more addicted to life until we can reach what he calls escape velocity and finally stop being human implying that our repeat journeys back to this place stems from an addictive need for human experience.

I somewhat agree. What I do know about this system is that it "locks us in" and layers us deep with belief-systems that weigh us down from realizing that we did indeed exist before this system, and I also think it's by design. This system is designed to keep us believing that it's the only absolute thing there is otherwise we would not really have the rich heavy experiences of being an Atheist, or a Fanatic, or a street bum... all those character roles would loose their valuable meanings as human character roles.

I think the system likes to keep us in role-play and forces us to play those roles that we chose coming into it.

So it locks us in and we forget thus the cycle of rebirth starts and we bitch about it until we get clear enough to realize that we really are more than human, that there is more than Earth and being human, and that all the human belief we got in life was Earth only baggage that keeps dragging us back in.

There is a graduation from this place, I've seen it and it rocks hard core... makes all this crap worth it in the big picture.

Hope my winded reply helps.





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