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Jesus The Messiah, Son of the Living God, Our Redeemer and Lord God Almighty, Who was, and Who is, and Who is to Come

 
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Jesus The Messiah, Son of the Living God, Our Redeemer and Lord God Almighty, Who was, and Who is, and Who is to Come
Matthew 16:13-20

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Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
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Matthew 16:13-20

New International Version (NIV)

Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
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Why did He order his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah, in that context?
Also, what did He mean when He said that Peter didnt know who he was by flesh and blood! But by the Father ( did he mean by his own prayer with God the Father he knew)?

thank you for this thread and God bless.
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Matthew 16:13-20

New International Version (NIV)

Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
 Quoting: Doug_kd


Why did He order his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah, in that context?
Also, what did He mean when He said that Peter didnt know who he was by flesh and blood! But by the Father ( did he mean by his own prayer with God the Father he knew)?

thank you for this thread and God bless.
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Yes I think by teaching him how to pray to the Father the Lord's Prayer revealed to him who he was.
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And about the context of not revealing him to be the Messiah, I think it was to early at that time for people to know Until all the prophecy's had been fulfilled about him.
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It would be so interesting to know what He meant by many of the things that He said. We still don't understand a lot of His sayings and what God's Philosophy is and I think it would be wonderful to be able to even start understanding.

But, Lord Jesus and Father and Lord Holy spirit come to us on the level we are at and They help us from here. I'm sure most of the advanced behaviors are possible, but we have to gain mastery over ourselves and They help us do that over time, I think.

I sure hope I get a new name. I don't like my current name. I don't believe that it suits me at all.
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But what if I get a new name and my negative self image destroys that one too?
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you guys ever look at the apostles. They were habitual screw ups. Even after Jesus rose from the dead, they were still just a mob. Philip says "show us the Father" Jesus says after all this time I have been with you and you say this?

It was NOT until the day of Pentecost when they were baptized with the Holy (set apart) Spirit that these guys came to life.

They really didn't have a clue.
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Nice thread.. God Bless!!!
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Jehovah = Father
Jesus = Son

2 totally separate people
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The father becomes the son and the son the father. When you deal with aspects of Christ praying to his father, you're dealing with time travel. An aspect (WORD of GOD) dwell fully in a man (Yeshua). The other aspect I believe was something other, what the Kabbalist call the EIN SOF. Christ was the total and complete God in reality, but his father was the unknowable one (only through Christ could people know his father). Which is why if he claimed to be one with his father, he was speaking in esoteric language.

Can a man become his own father? If you have the most perfect genes, you could become your own father by adding to yourself over and over and over. Becoming your own grandson and grandfather.

It's simple! King David saw two Lords in heaven (Lord and LORD). The smaller Lord was Yeshua after being resurrected from his cave in the middle east. The one sitting on the main throne was the Lion of Judah, a future incarnation of the complete person. They would become ONE in flesh as they became ONE in essence.
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