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GOP votes 'no' to build 27 new VA hospitals and expand veterans' health care

 
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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
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Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
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wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
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It looks like political suicide in the current climate.

How can they be so stupid? Unless they are being paid to be stupid.

Most of my life I had to watch Republicans shoot themselves in the foot. It's only business as usual.
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A vote was called in the United States Senate to approve a $24 billion bill to expand federal health care and education programs for veterans. As Reuters points out, the bill would have funded the creation of 27 much needed VA hospitals and medical facilities.

"Supporters said the measure would have brought the most significant changes in decades to U.S. veterans' programs. For example, it called for 27 new medical facilities to help a healthcare system that is strained by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."

With 60 votes needed to pass the bill, it was shut down in partisan fashion by a vote of 56-41. All but four of the 45 Senate Republicans voted no on the bill and it was quickly forgotten. Republicans attempted to attach an amendment to the bill for increased sanctions on Iran, but there was no movement by the Democrats.

[link to www.examiner.com]

Here is the thing, this is not the only thing republicans have pushed against veteran benefits. They voted against the veteran's job bill, against building more hospitals, against increase funding, trying to take away disability rights of vets.

Hypocrites...
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


You are true demoralized fool! It is people like yourself that is the problem with this Country. You fools just don't get it and you never will. Beyond pathetic!
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Democrats Kill VA accountability Bill!

[link to m.cnsnews.com]
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Red herring....
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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


I am a free thinking. There is no getting around the fact of why the system became bottled necked to the point it is now.
Red on the head, and fire in this thread.
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Democrats Kill VA accountability Bill!

[link to m.cnsnews.com]
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Red herring....
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


....grasping at straws now?

Hard to defend a government/adminstration that screws up EVERYTHING it touches.

cruise
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YOU are as dense as a stump. Still believing the old left/right paradigm I see...WHAT a useful idiot you are...

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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


I am a free thinking. There is no getting around the fact of why the system became bottled necked to the point it is now.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


sheep
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Democrats Kill VA accountability Bill!

[link to m.cnsnews.com]
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Red herring....
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


....grasping at straws now?

Hard to defend a government/adminstration that screws up EVERYTHING it touches.

cruise
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That bill has nothing to do with where we are right now.. No reason to defend, like there is no reason to place a red herring into this.
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Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


I am a free thinking. There is no getting around the fact of why the system became bottled necked to the point it is now.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


sheep
 Quoting: milehighmike


Because my viewpoints do not match your own. That would make me a wolf to you. Unless you are incapable of thinking outside of an icon.
Red on the head, and fire in this thread.
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"(Texas Republicans) believe in abolishing Social Security, abolishing V.A. health care.

[link to www.politifact.com]
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Both should be abolished.
...and then run PRIVATELY.

Clearly the government can't run either of them without killing people or ripping off the funds for other pork projects.

:honac:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Keep the VA out of the hands of the 3%. Privatization is nothing more than a scam.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


1) Clearly the SCAM is government operating the VA. grnrolleyes

How VA hospitals are a government-run disaster
[link to nypost.com]

2) Clearly again, since the SS fund is full of IOU's and no longer exists as a fund....the GOVERNMENT scammed us again. grnrolleyes

The Truth about How Bankrupt the Social Security System Is
[link to www.economicpolicyjournal.com]

clues
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bump ED ...because clearly you live in an alternate reality much different the rest of us.

kookbird ohyeah
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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


She's fat, lazy, and stupid. Was there ever any doubt she's a liberal?
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Both should be abolished.
...and then run PRIVATELY.

Clearly the government can't run either of them without killing people or ripping off the funds for other pork projects.

:honac:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Keep the VA out of the hands of the 3%. Privatization is nothing more than a scam.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


1) Clearly the SCAM is government operating the VA. grnrolleyes

How VA hospitals are a government-run disaster
[link to nypost.com]

2) Clearly again, since the SS fund is full of IOU's and no longer exists as a fund....the GOVERNMENT scammed us again. grnrolleyes

The Truth about How Bankrupt the Social Security System Is
[link to www.economicpolicyjournal.com]

clues
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


bump ED ...because clearly you live in an alternate reality much different the rest of us.

kookbird ohyeah
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


The privatization scam: Five government outsourcing horror stories



For decades we’ve been subjected to constant propaganda that government is inefficient, bureaucratic and expensive. We’re told that the answer is to “privatize,” or “outsource” government functions to private businesses and they will do things more efficiently and everyone comes out ahead. As a result we have experienced decades of privatization of government functions.

So how has this wave of privatization worked out? Has privatization saved taxpayers money and improved services to citizens? Simple answer: of course not. If a company can make a profit doing something the government had been doing, it means that we’re losing out one way or another. It’s simple math. And the result of falling for the privatization scam is that taxpayers have been fleeced, services to citizens have been cut way back and communities have been made poorer. But the companies that convinced governments to hand over public functions have gotten rich off of the deal. How is this a surprise?

Here are five privatization horror stories, where government outsourcing has gone terribly wrong. (Or maybe you’d say it has gone terribly right if you are one of the companies getting the taxpayer dollars.)

[link to www.nationofchange.org]

Last Edited by CountryPumpkin on 05/25/2014 10:18 PM
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wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


I am a free thinking. There is no getting around the fact of why the system became bottled necked to the point it is now.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


sheep
 Quoting: milehighmike


Because my viewpoints do not match your own. That would make me a wolf to you. Unless you are incapable of thinking outside of an icon.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


BTW, you're NOT smart enough to be a wolf...SORRY (NOT SORRY)

No, because you're parroting leftist talking points, it has NOTHING to do some imaginary "icon", whoever you may be referring to...

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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


She's fat, lazy, and stupid. Was there ever any doubt she's a liberal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58327474


Typically those that have nothing else to say except insults, are slightly below average IQ.
Red on the head, and fire in this thread.
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Wake up guys, NEITHER side is your friend, or what they want to appear to be.

But other than that, the problem with the VA is NOT that there are inadequate facilities or lack of people, the biggest issue is that most VA Doctors only see a handful of patients per day. If they were to actually WORK at the job instead of just show up collect their check and go play golf, this issue wouldn't be a problem...
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Yeah, thanks for your service, get your checkbook out...
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typical republican response...
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Typical liberal counterpoint.
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Wake up guys, NEITHER side is your friend, or what they want to appear to be.

But other than that, the problem with the VA is NOT that there are inadequate facilities or lack of people, the biggest issue is that most VA Doctors only see a handful of patients per day. If they were to actually WORK at the job instead of just show up collect their check and go play golf, this issue wouldn't be a problem...
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clappa WISE MAN RIGHT HERE!
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Keep the VA out of the hands of the 3%. Privatization is nothing more than a scam.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


1) Clearly the SCAM is government operating the VA. grnrolleyes

How VA hospitals are a government-run disaster
[link to nypost.com]

2) Clearly again, since the SS fund is full of IOU's and no longer exists as a fund....the GOVERNMENT scammed us again. grnrolleyes

The Truth about How Bankrupt the Social Security System Is
[link to www.economicpolicyjournal.com]

clues
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


bump ED ...because clearly you live in an alternate reality much different the rest of us.

kookbird ohyeah
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


The privatization scam: Five government outsourcing horror stories



For decades we’ve been subjected to constant propaganda that government is inefficient, bureaucratic and expensive. We’re told that the answer is to “privatize,” or “outsource” government functions to private businesses and they will do things more efficiently and everyone comes out ahead. As a result we have experienced decades of privatization of government functions.

So how has this wave of privatization worked out? Has privatization saved taxpayers money and improved services to citizens? Simple answer: of course not. If a company can make a profit doing something the government had been doing, it means that we’re losing out one way or another. It’s simple math. And the result of falling for the privatization scam is that taxpayers have been fleeced, services to citizens have been cut way back and communities have been made poorer. But the companies that convinced governments to hand over public functions have gotten rich off of the deal. How is this a surprise?

Here are five privatization horror stories, where government outsourcing has gone terribly wrong. (Or maybe you’d say it has gone terribly right if you are one of the companies getting the taxpayer dollars.)

[link to www.nationofchange.org]
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


Pure Socialist propaganda crazy (....from a Soros funded Socialist source of course too) smlaugh

AND.......

Private failures don't cost TAXPAYER MONEY.


Cough cough.....Solyndra...Fisker....Obamacare.....on and on...ad nauseum to the tune of BILLIONS upon BILLIONS over Obama's term alone.

wallet

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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


I am a free thinking. There is no getting around the fact of why the system became bottled necked to the point it is now.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


Thanks for your honesty.
I am a Vet, the VA has been trying to kill me since 1996. You see there is a secret list alright for individual Vet. This is not a right or left issue this is a military superfund site issue which is really killing the Vets.

So blame the chemical companies.
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OP, are you gonna pay for those hospitals?

How much of your welfare are you willing to give up for those hospitals to be built?


BTW, you can build 10000 hospitals but if the healthcare received in the hospitals is shit, then what good was it to spend a shitload of money building hospitals?
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I've watched the va take damn good care of my father, sending him to specialist inside and outside the system.
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VA killed my dad. I dont know what VA you went to.
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OP, are you gonna pay for those hospitals?

How much of your welfare are you willing to give up for those hospitals to be built?


BTW, you can build 10000 hospitals but if the healthcare received in the hospitals is shit, then what good was it to spend a shitload of money building hospitals?
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I've watched the va take damn good care of my father, sending him to specialist inside and outside the system.
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VA killed my dad. I dont know what VA you went to.
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he goes to the Asheville NC, Hospital
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YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID, it's a TERMINAL condition...

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Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
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wft ... and Obama has not. I did not realize you were a liberal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40643073


She's fat, lazy, and stupid. Was there ever any doubt she's a liberal?
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Typically those that have nothing else to say except insults, are slightly below average IQ.
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That's not where the comma goes in that in that sentence. Typically, those that have poor grammar skills have below average IQs.
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This is BS. VA budget has increased over 60% since 2009 and the number of vets in the USA has dropped 4 million in the last 10 years as the WWII vets die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385


Perhaps the wars the republicans started has something to do with lack of appropriate funding?
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


so who according to YOU who funded iraq and afghanistan ?
what branch ? and at that time who were the majority ?
LOL
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Do you know how many HOSPITALS there are in this country, how many medical facilities and Dr.'s offices?

Maybe instead of building more VA's, we need to change the way we take care of our vets and guarantee their medical coverage at ANY facility.

Let's cut through the red tape and not add to the deficit.

Give our vets the same coverage that our politicians enjoy.

Or better.

Take care of these ladies and gentlemen properly.

Stop making excuses.

We don't need 27 new VA Hospitals to take care of our vets.

We need to be taking care of our vets right, immediately.

What's ridiculous is that vets have to dick around with the VA in the first place.

Get them taken care of and taken care of right.
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The crux of the problem is that there are too many vets and not enough health facilities....

It doesn't matter the number of hospitals there are now...there are not enough. Does that make sense to you?

Let me spell it out....

There are more veterans than facilities.
 Quoting: CountryPumpkin


The FACILITIES to care for these Vets exist, they simply aren't on the government's payroll.

Saying that there is no place to treat these vets is like saying that we have homeless people because there aren't enough houses.

There are PLENTY of houses, but you've got to have the $$$ if you want a roof over your head.

This is a bureaucracy issue, pure and simple.

Sure, we could use more medical care facilities, it would improve efficiency, but there is no reason that these people aren't being properly cared for in the interim.

The government needs to be working with the private sector to ensure that all vets are getting the care they need.

Indeed, moving Veteran care into the private sector could CREATE jobs and boost the economy while ensuring that our Vets don't go without needed care.

If they need to fund this, they can pull the money from some of their dope running operations.
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$600 million just went to Israel
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I'm going to guess that the Democrats designed that bill in such a way that they knew the GOP couldn't support it and that they could use the rejection to score some cheap political points.

Both sides use cheap ass tactics like this all the time.
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$600 million just went to Israel
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$600 Million could build

20 $30M facilities

problem solved





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