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Jesus was teaching about the new covenant, and comparing it to the old covenant. The covenants aren't the same.

Under the old covenant law, a divorced woman can go get married again, no problem:

When she has left his house, she may go and become another man’s wife.
(Deuteronomy 24:2)

But look what Jesus said about the new covenant law:

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery.
(Matthew 5:31-32)

Old covenant law isn't the same as new covenant law.
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That still doesn't excuse you for mixing textiles, which you've no doubt done on many occasions, nor the myriad other Old Testament laws that you've broken.

Or does this 'new covenant' you speak of abolish the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
 Quoting: CleverMoniker 1692254

Why yes, it does. We are under a new covenant, the covenant of grace. You see, if you can follow here, the old Testament Israel was a Theocracy, it no longer exists and there is no longer a Temple there. If you go forward you will see there is no longer a government on earth where God is the head and the people are joined into a bi lateral covenant, as in, if thou will, I will - now we are under grace, as in, I did it all for you, dying the death required for sin, so you might live. Isn't God good? He knew the Israelis and even the world could not keep their part of any covenant, fallen as we are, so He gave us mercy in the death of His Son, who paid the price in full, once for all, for those that are called, chosen and elected.
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Bingo.

The 'new covenant' can't abolish the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy without also abolishing the law against homosexuality.
 Quoting: CleverMoniker 1692254

You are twisted. There is the ritual law of God which was required for Temple service, no Temple, no service. Then there is the moral law of God, as in, " I am the Lord thy God, I change not" So no, moral laws always stand, no you don't get out that easy, twisting old Testament ritual laws to destroy Gods moral laws.
Anyway, why do you need to re-interpret Gods Word to suit your lifestyle? "Do as thou wilt", you will anyway.

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The female dilemma is that she cannot divorce her husband and remarry.
Well, when the Bible was written, it was unthinkable and unpractical for a woman to leave her husband because she was totally dependent upon her husband for sustenance since there was no such thing as female employment and so, she would probably perish as a result. As for remarrying, since there were no females leaving their husbands, the Bible is silent on this issue.
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But in issues where there is abuse such as went on from my dad to my mother and us girls, I think there should be provisions made for divorce. But just because you aren't happy together anymore, no, there shouldn't be divorce.
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I was in that situation in my last relationship - the guy turned out to be a chronic wife beater and pretty much insane and some type of mental issues, brain damage, serious drug and alcohol issues that he kept returning to which would make him even more insane and dangerous. He is now doing 8 years because when I finally had to take my two young children (not his) and move out of town just to get away, he had already been with a couple other women and had moved in with a third who he ended up hurting pretty bad and she bled out so much she nearly died. He seems a lot better now that he's in prison, but so do a lot of people who only function with structure and limits. I could never see myself going back to put myself into danger or to traumatize my entire extended family again by returning to such a marriage - we were only actually together as man and wife a very short time, maybe a month we were under the same roof - a month of crazy. He never did any of this when my kids were around, only when gone, but I never got so close to Hannibal/Manson type stuff in my life, and hope to never do so again. I believe God wants me, and my family, safe, and I have waited 12 years already because I knew that all of that which happened was also my responsibility for needing to know better. I spent all this time learning and pondering and getting to know different people, but I have waited on God for another husband, if it was his will and given my life in that regard totally to him. I have remained celibate and in spite of the adultery/divorce issues in the Bible, I believe God loves me unconditionally as I seek him in all of this.
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Bingo.

The 'new covenant' can't abolish the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy without also abolishing the law against homosexuality.
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so then you would have to check the new testament to see if there are any laws about it in the new covenant.
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Because "Christians" are useless pieces of shit, as are Catholics, and all others.

Fuck them all.
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Your mother must be proud of you, son.
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Jesus was teaching about the new covenant, and comparing it to the old covenant. The covenants aren't the same.

Under the old covenant law, a divorced woman can go get married again, no problem:

When she has left his house, she may go and become another man’s wife.
(Deuteronomy 24:2)

But look what Jesus said about the new covenant law:

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery.
(Matthew 5:31-32)

Old covenant law isn't the same as new covenant law.
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OK new covenant under the old covenant punishment for adultery was death. What happens then for the wife now whose husband divorces her. Even remaining single she still committed adultery. Is there a scripture for how that is judged and is His atonement not enough through her belief to wash that clean?
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Verily I say unto you Jesus does not real!
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Re: why do "Christians " abhor homosexuality because the Bible condemns but most are ok with divorce and remarry when the Bible says it adultery
Jesus was teaching about the new covenant, and comparing it to the old covenant. The covenants aren't the same.

Under the old covenant law, a divorced woman can go get married again, no problem:

When she has left his house, she may go and become another man’s wife.
(Deuteronomy 24:2)

But look what Jesus said about the new covenant law:

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery.
(Matthew 5:31-32)

Old covenant law isn't the same as new covenant law.
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OK new covenant under the old covenant punishment for adultery was death. What happens then for the wife now whose husband divorces her. Even remaining single she still committed adultery. Is there a scripture for how that is judged and is His atonement not enough through her belief to wash that clean?
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


His atonement is enough, and there is a scripture for how that is judged:

“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
(Mark 3:28)

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...but it all makes for goodly retarded and obedient slaves and lackeys, though... Oops, I said too much! (**spoiler alert**)
 Quoting: IKZHIKAL

Well, just pick your own slave master then, because even you in your rebellion, follows the wisdom of the death makers. God is life, and we love Him and gladly follow Him, we are not slaves so much as we are His, because He loves us so.
Your freedom was written by someone, I think it was Crowley, "do as thou wilt" He is dead now but he left a legacy for you
 Quoting: Ohwow!


You have No Idea the legacy left for the poster quoted. Poor thing. Karma is well Karma.

"Do as thou wilt as you would have others do thou wilt to you."

Just another way of saying the golden rule except it catered to perversion and corruptions of already corrupted material. The Crows will fly into their own trees soon enough. Leave the other birds alone to build their own nests.

There are enough trees here for all of the birds. Plenty of fruit.

Birds need to learn to sing together regardless of whatever black or white or grey spot on the ground they worship.

Even God & the Devil can sit down and play a game of cards together and maybe even learn to become friends. If God is the creator of all then God surely created the Devil. Why not love and accept and embrace your rotten creation and help it to become tasty again? Remove some of the perversion though. I don't need gay all day in my face. What happens behind your houses doors I don;t care. Leave it out of my nest. K? I will leave my hocus pocus inner outer christ focus in mine. In the garden we should ALL be able to play together and enjoy life together.

THUNDER LOL.
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Some people are scared sheep, that shit themselves and drool if they don't have a cult to follow that tells them how to live.

The second group of people into it like to judge people and want to have a cult that validates their behavior. They also like having access to the first group I mentioned, so they can boss them around.

The third group are spiritual explorers, with good intentions, that were indocterined at a young age that Christianity was the only conduit.

This applies to the other major, retarded religions of the world as well.
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Because "Christians" are useless pieces of shit, as are Catholics, and all others.

Fuck them all.
 Quoting: IKZHIKAL


Your mother must be proud of you, son.
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He has a point, you are terrible, terrible people. I guess it's unrealistic to expect more from people who have to be bribed or threatened to remain a semblance of morality.
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Because they cherry pick the bible for what they like. NO Christian follows every law and commandment in the bible.
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Tattoos, Shellfish, Mixed Fabrics, Gay, Adultery, Drunkards, etc....

Typical christian fashion...they pick what they want to stand against and use the bible as a crutch, instead of living by it all, or ignoring it all.

Nobody is against gays because the bible said so. They are against gays because they were raised to be. Whether it be by church, family, friends, or whomever. There isn't a single person on these forums that make life choices based 100% off the bible. Anyone who says they do is a liar.

Christianity is the pick & choose religion.
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Because they cherry pick the bible for what they like. NO Christian follows every law and commandment in the bible.
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You are right!! We actually can't. There are no Temple requirements to meet since there is no Temple, there are no purification rites to meet, since we are made clean, saved if you will, by the shed blood of Jesus Christ once for all. No food laws to follow, since all food was declared clean in the New Testament, which was to explain that one bloodline, one lineage does not save, only Jesus saves and all nations tongues and people are the living Church of God. Sorry Jews, the Kingdom was taken from you and given to another. The law never saved, it always pointed to the coming Savior, BECAUSE NO ONE could keep the whole of the law and gain eternal life, one point of failure in keeping the law, and a person would be guilty of breaking all the laws - see Gods Word for the details.
New Covenant, no longer under task master of the bi lateral Covenant that all men break everyday with good intentions and evil hearts that win out - everytime
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Christians hate this thread.
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Christians hate this thread.
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Nah, Christians just like to counter stupid remarks that haters of God are forever putting forth as if they are real smart about God but of course, don't believe in Him, but they really really know a lot about nothing, since God to them is nothing, sooo, they catch a few phrases from Gods Word and declare their stupidity on a subject that they know not or care not to know, aka lying - to prove a point when in reality just proving their poverty of knowledge on the subject of Gods Word, and really, truth in objective and spiritual realms.

Read a book or find a video game you can win at, you will never win here

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Re: why do "Christians " abhor homosexuality because the Bible condemns but most are ok with divorce and remarry when the Bible says it adultery
neither are the "unforgiveable sin"

both are repentable in other words

however one has to be truly sorry in order to repent, hence it's not quite so simple for a homosexual as they'd have to truly have a change of heart and be sorry to seek forgiveness for that which amounts to a perversion of the natural order in Gods eyes in truth

or to be forgiven accordingly pursuant to such

whereas even God Himself "divorced" Israel for a time if you will recall...
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I believe the terms you are looking for are "cherry picking" and double standards.

With that being said, I am more interested in what CHRIST had to say: Matthew 22: 37-40
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

The rest is semantics.
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Christians hate this thread.
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Actually it's great entertainment.
We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely.
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does the bible say lying is a sin? because some people tell lies
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Yes it does ...it also says that no liar shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven
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well does it say how many people are liars???

drama
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I'd say that's pretty much everyone.

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right, so marriage is a spiritual bond, if you double back, you are confirming that you didn't believe in the first place.
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When you say the vows you are essentially witnessing your spouses' commitment to God.
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I am a Christian and I do not condone divorces or remarriage. Me and my wife have our differences but we stay true to the promises we made to our lord and each other. Here is some truth that may help you. The only sin that is unforgivable is to deny the holy ghost. People who divorce/remarry and people who are homosexuals can ask for forgiveness. I agree with the hypocrisy you are presenting but I feel I might can one up you with two words. Premarital sex. Not many Christian men or women save their virginity until marriage. Everyone sins, but you can be forgiven. The last thing Jesus said was not exclusive to his persecutors, but to all mankind. Which was, "Forgive them lord, for they do not know what they are doing."
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Every human being (exclusive of Jesus) that ever lived is a sinner.... when we make Him Lord, then we are sinners saved by grace.

The point of the thread is that Christians or professing Christians are very selective about which sins can be forgiven. Good point.

All I can say about this is that God holds the scales of justice Proverbs 16:11... "A just weight and balance are the Lord's"

The only answer I have for the thread question is that, yes, as the poster is implying, many Christians are hypocrites and select which sins they think God will or won't forgive. God is the only one who can weigh our hearts, motives and actions---we can make judgments based on God's Words to us, but God is the final Judge.

Authentic Christians abhor perversion of any kind, because we are indwelled with God's Spirit and we believe God. I can't speak for those who are ok with divorce and remarry....
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Christians hate this thread.
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haters of God
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I love God. I am merely revolted by your hypocrisy and your ego-centric religion.
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Every human being (exclusive of Jesus) that ever lived is a sinner.... when we make Him Lord, then we are sinners saved by grace.

The point of the thread is that Christians or professing Christians are very selective about which sins can be forgiven. Good point.

All I can say about this is that God holds the scales of justice Proverbs 16:11... "A just weight and balance are the Lord's"

The only answer I have for the thread question is that, yes, as the poster is implying, many Christians are hypocrites and select which sins they think God will or won't forgive. God is the only one who can weigh our hearts, motives and actions---we can make judgments based on God's Words to us, but God is the final Judge.

Authentic Christians abhor perversion of any kind, because we are indwelled with God's Spirit and we believe God. I can't speak for those who are ok with divorce and remarry....
 Quoting: o u q t pi 14859478


That's a lovely sentiment, but sadly such wisdom has no place in modern American Christianity, where God is a republican and hates queers, liberals, and welfare moochers.
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Jesus was teaching about the new covenant, and comparing it to the old covenant. The covenants aren't the same.

Under the old covenant law, a divorced woman can go get married again, no problem:

When she has left his house, she may go and become another man’s wife.
(Deuteronomy 24:2)

But look what Jesus said about the new covenant law:

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery.
(Matthew 5:31-32)

Old covenant law isn't the same as new covenant law.
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OK new covenant under the old covenant punishment for adultery was death. What happens then for the wife now whose husband divorces her. Even remaining single she still committed adultery. Is there a scripture for how that is judged and is His atonement not enough through her belief to wash that clean?
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


His atonement is enough, and there is a scripture for how that is judged:

“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
(Mark 3:28)

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James said your faith without works is dead. In other words. if you truly have the works will come from you.
You will want to do right instead sin, you will naturally try to express the clean living as outlined in God's plan.
Being perfect seems to be out of our grasp so the Atonement had to happen. To grieve the Holy Spirit by intentionally committing ABOMINATIONS and not repenting I think would get you in trouble with the Father.
I won't judge you though, but if I don't tell you then I'm in trouble because we are COMMANDED to do so.

Go in peace and may God enlighten you in your path
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I'm a Christian and I believe homosexuality is a sin and that God is displeased with it but why is it that the majority of "Christians " believe that it's ok to divorce your spouse and remarry when Jesus himself forbids it ..

The only exception he gave is to the man ....he said if a woman commits fornication (sexual sin) against her husband then the man can remarry but he never addressed the woman

What say ye
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The answer to your question in the title is relatively simple: They are sinners.

If they divorce without adultery, then they have sinned. End of story, question answered, initiate attack sequence.
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Every human being (exclusive of Jesus) that ever lived is a sinner.... when we make Him Lord, then we are sinners saved by grace.

The point of the thread is that Christians or professing Christians are very selective about which sins can be forgiven. Good point.

All I can say about this is that God holds the scales of justice Proverbs 16:11... "A just weight and balance are the Lord's"

The only answer I have for the thread question is that, yes, as the poster is implying, many Christians are hypocrites and select which sins they think God will or won't forgive. God is the only one who can weigh our hearts, motives and actions---we can make judgments based on God's Words to us, but God is the final Judge.

Authentic Christians abhor perversion of any kind, because we are indwelled with God's Spirit and we believe God. I can't speak for those who are ok with divorce and remarry....
 Quoting: o u q t pi 14859478


That's a lovely sentiment, but sadly such wisdom has no place in modern American Christianity, where God is a republican and hates queers, liberals, and welfare moochers.
 Quoting: CleverMoniker 1692254


Amen! Well said!