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New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable

 
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New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable.

Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a personís mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted.

[link to www.nj.com]

So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused.

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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
Don't know if it was posted previously, but a similar law is being pushed in California too.

[link to www.cnn.com]
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
New Jersey already has some of the most restrictive laws in the country regarding firearms. Now they want to be able to take them away based on nothing more than an accusation by a family member or even a "friend"?

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? What happened to illegal search and seizure?

We cannot let this law pass.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
If they pass this, I may start lobbying for this to apply to all property. If they can take away one kind of property based on absolutely nothing, then why not everything?

There are plenty of drivers I think are "mentally unstable". I could simply make a complaint and have their car taken away.

Or how about computers? There a lot's of "mentally unstable" people who could possibly be dangerous with access to a computer. If only I could just file a complaint and have their computers taken and internet access revoked.

I know a few politicians who are "mentally unstable". Maybe we should jut have them locked up until they can prove that they're not dangerous.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
ALL of us are unstable at one time
or another in our life

it's just a matter of timing

guess that means cops should give up
their guns also

as their occupation has the highest rate
of Psycho-therapy sessions
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
ALL of us are unstable at one time
or another in our life

it's just a matter of timing

guess that means cops should give up
their guns also

as their occupation has the highest rate
of Psycho-therapy sessions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58876086



I'm sure law enforcement will be exempt.
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bump 5
MORE FIRE!!!... and sling it while it's hot.!!
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We are prepared to move out of this state if they pass anymore laws like this they are trying to pass

I know it will suck--- but our Rights and Freedoms are more important

RESIST
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it has not passed yet- but if it does
we are out of here
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it has not passed yet- but if it does
we are out of here
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Easton is just over the border. Lower taxes, less laws, less traffic...
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it has not passed yet- but if it does
we are out of here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56619891


Easton is just over the border. Lower taxes, less laws, less traffic...
 Quoting: MFer


already looked at places with the fam

make no mistake--- it will suck with all the changes but its nothing compared to what our Founding Fathers DIED FOR
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bump 5
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Thanks!
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Can we still have matches and toilet paper?
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Can we still have matches and toilet paper?
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Only if you can prove you need it.
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Can we still have matches and toilet paper?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57118003


Only if you can prove you need it.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
if they can't get you in the prison system, they get you in the psychiatric system.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly.

I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify).

Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly.

I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify).

Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process.
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Those with a criminal history are already barred from owning a gun.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable.

Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a personís mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted.

[link to www.nj.com]

So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused.
 Quoting: MFer


Good plan!

The easiest way to spot a dangerous nut is just by listening to them rant about how no one is going to take their guns. You know, that "cold dead hands" bullshit.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly.

I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify).

Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42719781


Those with a criminal history are already barred from owning a gun.
 Quoting: MFer


Those with felonies are barred from owning firearms. That's not necessarily true of misdemeanors, depending on what they are. Nor should it be.

Regardless, the point I'm trying to make here is that while I think this should be possible, it should also be difficult to do so that it may not be abused.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly.

I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify).

Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42719781


Those with a criminal history are already barred from owning a gun.
 Quoting: MFer


Those with felonies are barred from owning firearms. That's not necessarily true of misdemeanors, depending on what they are. Nor should it be.

Regardless, the point I'm trying to make here is that while I think this should be possible, it should also be difficult to do so that it may not be abused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42719781


The point I'm trying to make is that it should never be possible for someone to have your property taken from you based purely on their judgement of your mental health.

Would this be ok with any other type of property? Can I have someone's car taken away because I think they're unfit to drive? No.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable.

Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a personís mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted.

[link to www.nj.com]

So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused.
 Quoting: MFer


Good plan!

The easiest way to spot a dangerous nut is just by listening to them rant about how no one is going to take their guns. You know, that "cold dead hands" bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2254421


Case in point. This guy could be responsible for having someone else's property seized based on his misunderstanding of what a mental health issue is.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
I thought the one thing you guys wanted was to get guns away from mentally unstable people. This sounds like a good step.
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I thought the one thing you guys wanted was to get guns away from mentally unstable people. This sounds like a good step.
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No. Most want mental health care to be more effective as, presently, it's not effective at all. That has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with Big Pharma.

If friends/family can make the call...what happens when siblings get into a fight? Or a couple breaks up? Or the neighbor chick wants to get even because your kid ripped up her petunias?
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Police can already do this through a 5150 process, and get someone locked up until they are interviewed by a shrink, if they seem that they are a threat of harm to themselves or others.

So why is anything other than that needed, since a cop would have to be called to implement this anyway?
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How often are mentally ill people going to be shot by the police after this is implemented?
Are they going to train the police to deal with these situations or just let them proceed in the normal fashion?
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable.

Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a personís mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted.

[link to www.nj.com]

So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused.
 Quoting: MFer


Oklahoma is already like that. If you get an emergency stay away order, you must surrender your guns to someone or at least not have them in your possession.

It's stupid because many people lie when petitioning for the order.
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Re: New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable
I thought the one thing you guys wanted was to get guns away from mentally unstable people. This sounds like a good step.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57529793


get guns away from mentally unstable people ??

hell no. that is stupid.

what's the fucking point of that ???

are you going to be happy to be burned alive ??

or run over with a car ???

do you want to be beaten to death ???

or stabbed ???

or poisoned ??

i sure don't.


mentally unstable people;

NEED
TO
GO
TO
A
NUTHOUSE.

THAT is the only way to stay safe.

remember the last 'shooting' (rodgers) ??

knife = 3 people dead,
gun = 2 people dead,
AUTOMOBILE = 1 dead, (almost 2)

so, the non gun deaths, are o.k. with you ???





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