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New Jersey trying to take away guns from those accused of being unstable | |
| MFer Offer Upgrade  User ID: 43167086  United States06/04/2014 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| MFer (OP) User ID: 43167086 United States06/04/2014 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't know if it was posted previously, but a similar law is being pushed in California too. [link to www.cnn.com] |
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| MFer (OP) User ID: 43167086 United States06/04/2014 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New Jersey already has some of the most restrictive laws in the country regarding firearms. Now they want to be able to take them away based on nothing more than an accusation by a family member or even a "friend"? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? What happened to illegal search and seizure? We cannot let this law pass. |
| MFer (OP) User ID: 43167086 United States06/04/2014 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they pass this, I may start lobbying for this to apply to all property. If they can take away one kind of property based on absolutely nothing, then why not everything? There are plenty of drivers I think are "mentally unstable". I could simply make a complaint and have their car taken away. Or how about computers? There a lot's of "mentally unstable" people who could possibly be dangerous with access to a computer. If only I could just file a complaint and have their computers taken and internet access revoked. I know a few politicians who are "mentally unstable". Maybe we should jut have them locked up until they can prove that they're not dangerous. |
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| BattlesightZero User ID: 50779238 United States06/04/2014 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The exit doors are open, you are free to go...   Last Edited by BattlesightZero on 06/04/2014 09:36 PM BattlesightZero YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42719781 United States06/04/2014 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly. I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify). Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process. |
| MFer (OP) User ID: 43167086 United States06/04/2014 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42719781 I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify). Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process. Those with a criminal history are already barred from owning a gun. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2254421 United States06/04/2014 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable. Quoting: MFer Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a person’s mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted. [link to www.nj.com] So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused. Good plan! The easiest way to spot a dangerous nut is just by listening to them rant about how no one is going to take their guns. You know, that "cold dead hands" bullshit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42719781 United States06/05/2014 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42719781 I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify). Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process. Those with a criminal history are already barred from owning a gun. Those with felonies are barred from owning firearms. That's not necessarily true of misdemeanors, depending on what they are. Nor should it be. Regardless, the point I'm trying to make here is that while I think this should be possible, it should also be difficult to do so that it may not be abused. |
| MFer (OP) User ID: 43167086 United States06/05/2014 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In theory, I have no issue with the basic idea of this. As a practical matter, I wouldn't trust NJ to implement it fairly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42719781 I'd place two main conditions on it: those reporting the offender must be immediate family members (no friends) and the offender must have a criminal history with a significant misdemeanor at the very least (jaywalking, traffic tickets and other similar petty shit do not qualify). Furthermore, it should be temporary with an automatic dismissal after a certain reasonable (I hate that word in the context of this topic) length of time and may not be reinstated afterward without due process. Those with a criminal history are already barred from owning a gun. Those with felonies are barred from owning firearms. That's not necessarily true of misdemeanors, depending on what they are. Nor should it be. Regardless, the point I'm trying to make here is that while I think this should be possible, it should also be difficult to do so that it may not be abused. The point I'm trying to make is that it should never be possible for someone to have your property taken from you based purely on their judgement of your mental health. Would this be ok with any other type of property? Can I have someone's car taken away because I think they're unfit to drive? No. |
| MFer (OP) User ID: 43167086 United States06/05/2014 12:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable. Quoting: MFer Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a person’s mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted. [link to www.nj.com] So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused. Good plan! The easiest way to spot a dangerous nut is just by listening to them rant about how no one is going to take their guns. You know, that "cold dead hands" bullshit. Case in point. This guy could be responsible for having someone else's property seized based on his misunderstanding of what a mental health issue is. |
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| ssle User ID: 50535466 United States06/05/2014 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought the one thing you guys wanted was to get guns away from mentally unstable people. This sounds like a good step. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57529793 No. Most want mental health care to be more effective as, presently, it's not effective at all. That has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with Big Pharma. If friends/family can make the call...what happens when siblings get into a fight? Or a couple breaks up? Or the neighbor chick wants to get even because your kid ripped up her petunias? Everyone is worth knowing. Everything is worth learning. You're never too good. You're never not good enough. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58843417 United States06/05/2014 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Police can already do this through a 5150 process, and get someone locked up until they are interviewed by a shrink, if they seem that they are a threat of harm to themselves or others. So why is anything other than that needed, since a cop would have to be called to implement this anyway? |
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| Hijinnx User ID: 51722769 United States06/05/2014 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A New Jersey lawmaker wants friends and family to be able to get guns temporarily taken away from loved ones they believe are mentally unstable. Quoting: MFer Under the bill, if alerted by friends or family members about a person’s mental health, law enforcement officials would be able to petition a judge to grant a temporary restraining order prohibiting that person from purchasing or possessing firearms. After a yet-to-be-determined period, the judge would reassess the restraining order to decide whether it should be lifted. [link to www.nj.com] So now anyone owning a gun in NJ can have it taken away if a "Friend or Family Member" accuses them of being mentally unstable. You know they are going to make it near impossible to prove yourself to be mentally stable and get your gun back once you've been accused. Oklahoma is already like that. If you get an emergency stay away order, you must surrender your guns to someone or at least not have them in your possession. It's stupid because many people lie when petitioning for the order. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 56291997 United States06/05/2014 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought the one thing you guys wanted was to get guns away from mentally unstable people. This sounds like a good step. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57529793 get guns away from mentally unstable people ?? hell no. that is stupid. what's the fucking point of that ??? are you going to be happy to be burned alive ?? or run over with a car ??? do you want to be beaten to death ??? or stabbed ??? or poisoned ?? i sure don't. mentally unstable people; NEED TO GO TO A NUTHOUSE. THAT is the only way to stay safe. remember the last 'shooting' (rodgers) ?? knife = 3 people dead, gun = 2 people dead, AUTOMOBILE = 1 dead, (almost 2) so, the non gun deaths, are o.k. with you ??? |
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