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Sandy Hook : The Urban Legend

 
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Awhile back I had mentioned my investigation is pretty much done. I have concluded that what actually happened in Newtown is not even remotely close to what the public is told.

My goal was to prove what Sandy Hook actually was. So what was it? It's obvious isn't it?

I believe this article by Andrew Solomon should put everything in perspective since it is EXACTLY how the entire story is told. GO ahead and read it....I painstakingly did so and everything makes sense.

[link to www.newyorker.com]

So what is my point? We all have our 10 questions that need to be answered I suppose. I believe I have now come to realize what I actually meant when I called the Sandy Hook event an Urban Legend.

First and foremost there is no tangible evidence that anything actually resembling any type of shooting took place. There are many here that have done yeoman's work showing all the discrepancies and I will refrain from calling them out for fear of forgetting someone.

The one consistent theme in this entire event is all evidence is produced as an emotional story. Sure we have guns that were used, or car that was driven, or who was shot, and that it was at a house and a school. All this evidence it provided via stories.

Ask yourself why all 26 families lobbied the legislators to keep information quiet. Emotional distress? Really? There was not one sane legislator that said maybe we should not be in the business of hiding things from a free society....????

Anyway, the real problem is no information has been divulged. Sedensky's report in November is just an assembly of stories.

The final report is official looking stories.

Sandy Hook is an Urban Legend. All news reports and articles remind you every time that Adam Lanza shot 20 kids and 6 teachers and killed his mother and himself.

That is the Urban Legend you are to remember. Everything else is of no consequence. You could have a million stories that mean nothing but as long as everyone remembers about 20 children and 6 teachers it's done.

20 years from now we could find even more outlandish stories of Gene Rosen and all the other bit players and it will not matter. The Urban Legend stands no matter how outlandish the "facts" are since the facts are just stories.

Andrew Solomon's " interview " with Peter Lanza brings it all home. We have to take his word that the interview took place. No pictures, of Peter, the emails between Nancy and Peter that Peter printed out and kept in a file folder? Yeah that's outlandish isn't it. You see it's another story in the Urban Legend that is Sandy Hook.

Is it a Hoax? Maybe. Urban Legend? Oh yes that is for sure.

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26 families, no lawsuits, darn near 90% completely redacted, sanitized 7,000 page report! And like tentacles of an octopus, conflicting information; one shooter, no! multiple shooters, speeding purple van, two people proned after capture, lack of any real blood, serving hors d'oeuvre's at the firehouse, law enforcement and EMT standing around joking and smiling drinking bottled water when people have died 50ft. away from your little joyous Rendezvous, idiot Rosen telling multiple contradictory reports throughout the week, etc. etc. etc.

WTF?
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Great post, OP.

I will say this: hundreds of individuals signed their names to sworn statements in the report. Urban legend or not, they are accountable.

These guys are still on the radio. Every day. They're real people, as far as I can tell. If one guy swears all children were immediately triaged four times by paramedics, and another guy swears he first photographed all the victims and then they were allowed to be triaged, that's a problem.

My opinion is that people are only going to hang themselves out there so far, before defending themselves.

Nute's on the hook for keeping ambulances out. Either it was an oversight, or he had a damn good reason--even if just as part of the script. But he's a real resident of a real town, and he swore to his statements. "Shooter down at 9:40" is not a good enough reason to keep ambulances out--forever. Not a single ambulance entered the scene. At some point, he'll need to defend his actions, or be held accountable for them. Just using him as an example.

At some point, Chapman may be called to account for running with a hemorrhaging patient down a hall, across a parking lot, and up Dickenson, rather than at least trying to insist that A2 proceed into the scene. Even as part of the script. His answer might be, "I saw a second shooter so I know damn well that building is still dangerous and I'm getting this girl out, even if imperfectly." But without that first part--seeing the shooter--he will be less able to explain his actions.

The CSP blocked the hell out of that road. I can't think of a good explanation for that one, script or no.

Newtown didn't get enough ambulances there right off the bat. Someone can call them on that (Hammond or Engel's family), even it's all a script. Or the public can simply keep referring to all these things enough that someone involved finally says, "Look here, people, we had a reason, okay?" No one likes to be thought of as incompetent, much less as responsible for children's deaths, even if they personally know no one died. Who wants that rep?

Pressure has to be kept on this story. Because whether it's Urban Legend, or completely true as is, or somewhere in between, it involves hundreds of real people, and no matter how slick a plan is, eventually it breaks back down into its component parts, and those component parts resume acting in their OWN interests instead of in the interests of the Urban Legend.

But everything you're saying about the way this story was fed to us, I completely agree with. It absolutely is, as it stands, an Urban Legend.
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Great post, OP.

I will say this: hundreds of individuals signed their names to sworn statements in the report. Urban legend or not, they are accountable.

These guys are still on the radio. Every day. They're real people, as far as I can tell. If one guy swears all children were immediately triaged four times by paramedics, and another guy swears he first photographed all the victims and then they were allowed to be triaged, that's a problem.

My opinion is that people are only going to hang themselves out there so far, before defending themselves.

Nute's on the hook for keeping ambulances out. Either it was an oversight, or he had a damn good reason--even if just as part of the script. But he's a real resident of a real town, and he swore to his statements. "Shooter down at 9:40" is not a good enough reason to keep ambulances out--forever. Not a single ambulance entered the scene. At some point, he'll need to defend his actions, or be held accountable for them. Just using him as an example.

At some point, Chapman may be called to account for running with a hemorrhaging patient down a hall, across a parking lot, and up Dickenson, rather than at least trying to insist that A2 proceed into the scene. Even as part of the script. His answer might be, "I saw a second shooter so I know damn well that building is still dangerous and I'm getting this girl out, even if imperfectly." But without that first part--seeing the shooter--he will be less able to explain his actions.

The CSP blocked the hell out of that road. I can't think of a good explanation for that one, script or no.

Newtown didn't get enough ambulances there right off the bat. Someone can call them on that (Hammond or Engel's family), even it's all a script. Or the public can simply keep referring to all these things enough that someone involved finally says, "Look here, people, we had a reason, okay?" No one likes to be thought of as incompetent, much less as responsible for children's deaths, even if they personally know no one died. Who wants that rep?

Pressure has to be kept on this story. Because whether it's Urban Legend, or completely true as is, or somewhere in between, it involves hundreds of real people, and no matter how slick a plan is, eventually it breaks back down into its component parts, and those component parts resume acting in their OWN interests instead of in the interests of the Urban Legend.

But everything you're saying about the way this story was fed to us, I completely agree with. It absolutely is, as it stands, an Urban Legend.
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With you keeping the heat on the inconsistent procedures of the event you are ferreting out the truth.

This post is a way for others to understand how the Urban Legend is foisted on the public. LT Vance did a fantastic job with his " just the facts " style without actually giving any information.


I wonder if Andrew Solomon will interview EMS personnel for their side of the story and pen an article in which he makes six different visits to the EMS participants and ambulance drivers for their reaction to the days events....? Or does he feel they are not vital to the Urban Legend....

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26 families, no lawsuits, darn near 90% completely redacted, sanitized 7,000 page report! And like tentacles of an octopus, conflicting information; one shooter, no! multiple shooters, speeding purple van, two people proned after capture, lack of any real blood, serving hors d'oeuvre's at the firehouse, law enforcement and EMT standing around joking and smiling drinking bottled water when people have died 50ft. away from your little joyous Rendezvous, idiot Rosen telling multiple contradictory reports throughout the week, etc. etc. etc.

WTF?
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That's the point. None of this stuff matters because all they need you to remember is the Urban Legend.
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26 families, no lawsuits, darn near 90% completely redacted, sanitized 7,000 page report! And like tentacles of an octopus, conflicting information; one shooter, no! multiple shooters, speeding purple van, two people proned after capture, lack of any real blood, serving hors d'oeuvre's at the firehouse, law enforcement and EMT standing around joking and smiling drinking bottled water when people have died 50ft. away from your little joyous Rendezvous, idiot Rosen telling multiple contradictory reports throughout the week, etc. etc. etc.

WTF?
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That's the point. None of this stuff matters because all they need you to remember is the Urban Legend.
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Yeah, all heinz 57 variety of it lol! But I will still stand on the simplest of "fact" of proof and my belief that this was a false flag:

No lawsuit.....
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26 families, no lawsuits, darn near 90% completely redacted, sanitized 7,000 page report! And like tentacles of an octopus, conflicting information; one shooter, no! multiple shooters, speeding purple van, two people proned after capture, lack of any real blood, serving hors d'oeuvre's at the firehouse, law enforcement and EMT standing around joking and smiling drinking bottled water when people have died 50ft. away from your little joyous Rendezvous, idiot Rosen telling multiple contradictory reports throughout the week, etc. etc. etc.

WTF?
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That's the point. None of this stuff matters because all they need you to remember is the Urban Legend.
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Yeah, all heinz 57 variety of it lol! But I will still stand on the simplest of "fact" of proof and my belief that this was a false flag:

No lawsuit.....
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Correct. The one thing I want to stress is that this actually makes it much easier to digest. I understand how and what they are doing. There is a consistent writing style in everything. There is a consistent way news is divulged. Heck the sign stealer story reads just like Sedensky's executive summary.
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I love it when Snake shows up. It makes my threads so much more legitimate.

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Wow - really gotta add this to your thread, too, D-man. Start at 38:00. The soundtrack for your urban legend.

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Meh Snake just does that because somewhere in the "Internet Commentator Programme Handbook" it cites psychological studies showing that disapproval from others affects neutral parties' opinions of a statement or issue. People are very vulnerable to the impressions of others--and nothing is cooler than being "disparaging." The immediate psychological reaction (for many), when seeing another person disparage a theory, is to feel, "Wow--the disparager is strong and cool and I want to be liked by him and not disparaged by him." That's how it works on some people. For others, it's a matter of being in a hurry and, when seeing a topic with fewer stars, assuming that "everyone thinks it's bad so it must be bad." That's why you see such a dedicated (if incredibly bored) effort to methodically down-vote topics.

But...I'm betting that THEY bet we'd have gone away by now.

As Dumbledore would say, "Alas--earwax."
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Wow - really gotta add this to your thread, too, D-man. Start at 38:00. The soundtrack for your urban legend.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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He get's intro music. LMAO.

Thank you for this.
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It does make you wonder
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Great posts, guys.


Except for Snake, of course. But we all know he's a shill.
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Both the "inner sanctum" and the peripheral "fluffers" of this SH "event" will likely guard their secret with a seldom seen ferocity. The participants, everyone from Solomon, to the badge-wearing government event staff, to law enforcement, to the State Attorney's office, to the ME's office, to the dopey townies and local media would literally put their life at risk to keep the truth about what happened away from the public.

In a way I don't blame them: Those involved in this event have actually committed a crime that is worse than killing 20 children, if that's humanly possible. Even the most marginal participant can look themselves in the mirror and say they've been part one of the most hideous, vulgar, manipulative events in human history. An act of terrorism against the American people.
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Both the "inner sanctum" and the peripheral "fluffers" of this SH "event" will likely guard their secret with a seldom seen ferocity. The participants, everyone from Solomon, to the badge-wearing government event staff, to law enforcement, to the State Attorney's office, to the ME's office, to the dopey townies and local media would literally put their life at risk to keep the truth about what happened away from the public.

In a way I don't blame them: Those involved in this event have actually committed a crime that is worse than killing 20 children, if that's humanly possible. Even the most marginal participant can look themselves in the mirror and say they've been part one of the most hideous, vulgar, manipulative events in human history. An act of terrorism against the American people.
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On a lighter note they can also say they are actually part of ancool2 Urban Legend.
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don't forget the 26 fucking trees behind the fucking firehouse that people fucking walked around and around and around in and out of thanks to the helicopter
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don't forget the 26 fucking trees behind the fucking firehouse that people fucking walked around and around and around in and out of thanks to the helicopter
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Another story that fits in the Urban Legend.

Just remember. Pointing out the inconsistent storylines and the obvious red flags that indicate a pre-planned event is what we do here daily. I just wanted to put in perspective what we are picking apart.
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Great posts, guys.


Except for Snake, of course. But we all know he's a shill.
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Snake used to ask the same questions. Now just a thread drone. I wonder why Snake backed away from asking important questions......
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I love it when Snake shows up. It makes my threads so much more legitimate.

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LOL Snakebot.
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Both the "inner sanctum" and the peripheral "fluffers" of this SH "event" will likely guard their secret with a seldom seen ferocity. The participants, everyone from Solomon, to the badge-wearing government event staff, to law enforcement, to the State Attorney's office, to the ME's office, to the dopey townies and local media would literally put their life at risk to keep the truth about what happened away from the public.

In a way I don't blame them: Those involved in this event have actually committed a crime that is worse than killing 20 children, if that's humanly possible. Even the most marginal participant can look themselves in the mirror and say they've been part one of the most hideous, vulgar, manipulative events in human history. An act of terrorism against the American people.
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On a lighter note they can also say they are actually part of ancool2 Urban Legend.
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And a "good cause" with the results of the urban legends, you know.... keeping the bad guns from situations happening in the future lol! Oh yeah, and people shouldn't know the truth, they should just trust the power structures that will take care of everything for the sheeple, and they can all sit around and sing kumbaya!
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Great posts, guys.


Except for Snake, of course. But we all know he's a shill.
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Snake used to ask the same questions. Now just a thread drone. I wonder why Snake backed away from asking important questions......
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Yeah, but it's a good sign when he shows himself. It's kinda like he was most likely reprimanded for entertaining free thought and now subconsciously still wants to interact but has to in a manner that is in liking by his masters......heehee!chuckle
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Excellent post.

There really is a similar “feel”, or writing style throughout this whole saga.
Inconsistencies are what people go after in the beginning in order to test the elasticity of the “official story”, if that makes sense.
To be sure, there are always some inconsistencies, in either witness testimony or discrepancies in people's recollections of the timeline of events, but what matters and what is revealing is the type of discrepancy being analyzed, as opposed to the quantity of discrepancy (although that's not entirely irrelevant, either).

In other words, inconsistencies are what allow investigators to say to a certainty what did not happen.

We've done this.

The work being done now is about uncovering what it is that did happen.
Much more difficult, and is a different calibre of investigating.
In fact, this story is so complicated; with so many interwoven strands that to many it could seem hopeless.

That's not necessarily the reality however, because while the story does stretch out upon a vast horizontal plain consisting of the details of at least 100 different people, the Legend is also built up vertically, because of its dependency on some core ‘facts’.

i.e.
Attack this Urban Legend at its foundation.
The Lanza's

Knock down this pillar conclusively, and the rest of the Urban Legend collapses.

Most efficient way to get this done is to find Peter J. Lanza and “Ryan J. Lanza” (quotes intentional). From there the truth will start to arrive in spades.
Will probably make for a fun ‘project’ to an experienced private investigator, ultra-determined hacker, or old-school skip tracer…

~C
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Another great start would be interviewing first responders.
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Well then lets do it. Maybe Insane Media has some insight and we can interview Peter and Ryan Lanza and also start getting the first responders point of view.
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Excellent post.

There really is a similar “feel”, or writing style throughout this whole saga.
Inconsistencies are what people go after in the beginning in order to test the elasticity of the “official story”, if that makes sense.
To be sure, there are always some inconsistencies, in either witness testimony or discrepancies in people's recollections of the timeline of events, but what matters and what is revealing is the type of discrepancy being analyzed, as opposed to the quantity of discrepancy (although that's not entirely irrelevant, either).

In other words, inconsistencies are what allow investigators to say to a certainty what did not happen.

We've done this.

The work being done now is about uncovering what it is that did happen.
Much more difficult, and is a different calibre of investigating.
In fact, this story is so complicated; with so many interwoven strands that to many it could seem hopeless.

That's not necessarily the reality however, because while the story does stretch out upon a vast horizontal plain consisting of the details of at least 100 different people, the Legend is also built up vertically, because of its dependency on some core ‘facts’.

i.e.
Attack this Urban Legend at its foundation.
The Lanza's

Knock down this pillar conclusively, and the rest of the Urban Legend collapses.

Most efficient way to get this done is to find Peter J. Lanza and “Ryan J. Lanza” (quotes intentional). From there the truth will start to arrive in spades.
Will probably make for a fun ‘project’ to an experienced private investigator, ultra-determined hacker, or old-school skip tracer…

~C
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Great addition to the thread. The Lanza article is in fact the
tell. We need to focus on this like a laser
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What TPTB do is wall off questions regarding the event or only get involved with one-way "discussions" regarding Sandy Hook. There will never be a Q/A setting for this -- they'll just pull the "emotional card" against anyone suggesting so. There is no "Ryan" or "Peter" to be found. There either don't exist or are in some sort of stealth/WP program. No inquisistor will ever have access to either of them.

People like Roig, Rosen, or Manfredonia will never be allowed to be in a position where they have to answer questions independently. The post-PsyOp will be ongoing. Surely these people are "signed on" and in for the long haul.

Don't mean to be unsupportive, because i do belive there are so many weak flanks to the BS story. Finding the right one is difficult.
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Guy every victims address is public knowledge. They all moved into their houses at the exact same date. How do we know? Public knowledge: all the mortgages were paid off / transferred on Dec 25th 2009 for $0 !

Coincidence? Nope. If you track the homes guess what each "victims" home runs parallel with? No clue? How about the Iroquois pipeline?

bro sandy hook is nothing but a ghost town and majority of the victims only just recently moved into the area. Shitty luck? Please.


If you review the helicopter video footage and speed it up- well, the firehouse was a staging area. All the "grieving people" are just walking around in circles trying to look busy and jostle the area. It's a joke. Paramedics aren't doing anything. No helicopters landing taking patients. Shit, there is even an interview with that weirdo Gene Rosen and the traffic sign behind him says "participants must check in".

It's laughable. Not only that but guess who Gene Rosen also works for? The dept of homeland security. There is a video of him online at another crisis actor drill down in florida.

Bro- no one died. Sandy hook school was closed. It was a harmless stunt to push forward draconian gun laws.

Read up if you want hard journalistic facts and not smoke blown up your ass by Ted turner and Rupert murdoch's clowns:

[link to unitedtruthseekers.com]
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Guy every victims address is public knowledge. They all moved into their houses at the exact same date. How do we know? Public knowledge: all the mortgages were paid off / transferred on Dec 25th 2009 for $0 !

Coincidence? Nope. If you track the homes guess what each "victims" home runs parallel with? No clue? How about the Iroquois pipeline?

bro sandy hook is nothing but a ghost town and majority of the victims only just recently moved into the area. Shitty luck? Please.


If you review the helicopter video footage and speed it up- well, the firehouse was a staging area. All the "grieving people" are just walking around in circles trying to look busy and jostle the area. It's a joke. Paramedics aren't doing anything. No helicopters landing taking patients. Shit, there is even an interview with that weirdo Gene Rosen and the traffic sign behind him says "participants must check in".

It's laughable. Not only that but guess who Gene Rosen also works for? The dept of homeland security. There is a video of him online at another crisis actor drill down in florida.

Bro- no one died. Sandy hook school was closed. It was a harmless stunt to push forward draconian gun laws.

Read up if you want hard journalistic facts and not smoke blown up your ass by Ted turner and Rupert murdoch's clowns:

[link to unitedtruthseekers.com]
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Yes most of these items are laughable but the main point is nobody addresses the EMS response. Heck Vance is still putting on seminars on how to make sure you secure an area but nobody seems to care about what to do if someone actually is injured. Maybe they just operate on the assumption that if you are shot then you might as well be dead.....

Anyway. The point of it being an Urban Legend is that all of these little points don't really matter to the story tellers. There job is to get everyone to believe the main part of the Legend.

Peter and Ryan Lanza are the key and that is why that article by Andrew Solomon is so damning.

Does someone know how we can get ahold of Andrew?





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