I encourage every Christian to give this a look..

while you insist on accepting the translators as truth you have a problem.

1 Thessalonians 4

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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Wherefore comfort one another with these words!

144,000 also sent back for the tribulation! Not saved for it! Sent to be there!

and then in the above scripture, notice:

that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

and
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

All people, Christians particularly, need to be about today's business. Pre, mid, or post? Who can say that they will be alive tomorrow?

There certainly is a rapture event, the when is irrelevant.

You scored it right there.


THE RAPTURE COULD BE TODAY. Get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Basically I think that there is only one correct answer to as to when it will happen and that is... today. Please Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are dead in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ.

Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice.



1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Here is an interesting Chick illustrated tract on this very important subject.WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com]

It was spread by Cyrus Scofield, in employ of Jewish bankers, to destroy Christianity and align it with Zionism.

Can't explain the other side
Answers lost before their eyes
Violence surges from inside
A state of mind that never dies
Born into a chosen way
Life that doesn't fit today
To die a painful death it seems
Is better than your misery
Contemplating rearranging
Changing all your ways of thinking

Everyday your life seems like
It's pushed into a hole
Acting out another's need
To rule a soul eternally
Adjusting to another set
Of values take it's toll
Growing in a lunacy
That plays on your stupidity

Circle of beliefs, secrets never keep
Living in a lie, right before your eyes
Born without a brain, helpless in your name
All you do is pray, living is your pain

Mentality so small
You can't accept another side
Your point of view a memory
Because it doesn't mean a thing
The resurrection's waiting
For a world without a sin
The temples all will crumble
While awaiting for it to begin

Circle of beliefs, secrets never keep
Living in a lie, right before your eyes
Losing is your way, mental disarray
I can see your strain, you don't want to be saved

Can't you see no validity
Must control silencing of souls
Slow decay spreading through your brain
Devastate the deviant will dominate

Can't you see there's no validity
Your way is not the only way
Slow decay is spreading through your brain
Don't you see the power of the enemy
Tyranny total supremacy
Control the silencing of souls
Slavery within the entity
Devastate, dominate

Can't explain the reason why
Someone would rather live than die
If dying was the only way
To end a life of mental stains
All your life he's been the cause
A man impaled onto a cross
Pure religious holocaust
If religion dies it's not my loss

Perception always biased
Feeding off a fallacy
Your systematic way of life
Decided for you every night
Intentional conflicting words
Avoid solidity, blinded by the holy light
That constantly consumes your mind

Circle of beliefs, secrets never keep
Living in a lie, right before your eyes
Burning in my wake, souls are free to take
Your following a fake, every one awake


-Slayer

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TRUTH

Lol, keep dreaming rapture-tards

People like you are going to be mocked and ridiculed for a long time

I'll bet you;ll feel like you're sitting in a lake of fire too

If they can make MJ come back, think of the possibilities.

If you believe in the "rapture" as it has been sold by modern Christians, you must not know about His way.
How are you going to learn anything about life if you skip exam day?
Was the preparation for nothing?

You will be forged.

[link to www.thefuelproject.org]

In this final part we reflect that for all it's strange and brutal imagery, the Book of Revelation


Let the plain things be the main things and the main things be the plain things Alister Begg

So what does this passage have to do with any rapture , it simply tells us that we can't proceed those who have died because once you die instantly your spirt goes back to God and when Jesus returns he will bring all those who died inthe flesh but were quickened in the spirit with him at the seventh trump .

The mass of humanity with Jesus will be as a cloud of people and then we who are alive will in the twinkle of an eye change into our spiritual bodies and be gatherd back to Jesus .

Why do you people cling to the pre trib rapture lie or any type of rapturing post or mid . There is no rapture ,it is not a word of the bible and is a man made tradition , which makes void the word of God . The meek will inherit the earth , for Godssake Jesus tells us you exactly how it will be at the end of this age, at the seventh trump .

Read the parable of the tares and wheat , the angels gather the tares first and bind them to be thrown in the fire ,the wheat Jesus gathers into his barn aka wedding supper , the angels gather all things that offend out of the kingdom . It truly is that simple , why you people make it so hard by adding to and taking away from Gods word to make the word rapture work is a joke , a sad joke at best .

You scored it right there.


THE RAPTURE COULD BE TODAY. Get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Basically I think that there is only one correct answer to as to when it will happen and that is... today. Please Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are dead in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ.

Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice.



1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Here is an interesting Chick illustrated tract on this very important subject.WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com]
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Please since your a advocate of the pretrib rapture tell us what Jesus says here , these are his exact words so do explain for all use who do not understand what Jesus meant and how this pertains to a pre trib rapture .

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Why do you delight in the idea of tribulation?
Do you think you can earn your salvation by suffering?
What can you do for the Lord?
Crushing hope for rescue in ruff times?

Let them hope.
We have the word of God to tell us.
We do not need your grim take.

meh...the faithful are always ready.

I or any other non believing rapture theory debunker take pleasure in knowing we will suffer for the name of Jesus But make no mistake , Jesus tells us we will suffer for His namesake and blessed Re we for doing so .

Jesus tells us those who try to save this lives will loose them and those who loose them for His namesake will have eternal life , a pre trib rapture is trying to save your life . If the church is taken away who will witness to the unbelievers when they need it most , when Satan is once again walking the earth you believe God would take his mouth pieces away. That is just plain inane .

Most importantly is that in these last days we are to have on the gospel armor of God , Ephisians 12 , the very first piece of armor is made up of truth and all you who beleive in the rapture lie do not ,I REPEAT DO OT HAVE ON YOUR GOSPEL ARMOR . Why? Because you believed in a lie and God himself has sent you strong delusion for this , taking pleasure in unrighteousness .

When an objection cannot be made formidable, there is some policy in trying to make it frightful; and to substitute the yell and the war- whoop, in the place of reason, argument and good order. Jesuitical cunning always endeavors to disgrace what it cannot disprove.

How do christians picture the rapture happening? Is heaven here on Earth with Jesus at the helm, or is heaven in seperate location?

It's cold up in space so wear some warm clothes.

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

THE PLOTTERS OF THE HOAX
Francisco Ribera was a Spanish doctor of theology who wrote a 500 page Latin commentary on Revelation (Apocalypse) entitled: In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, and published it about the year 1590....This commentary was never translated into any other language and was for the eyes of the hierarchy only!!


Many doubt these things because you were taught one way the catholic way but I present to you more evidence of this rapture hoax and one man antichrist hoax
[link to www.reformation.org]

Yes,


so do I.


I encourage every Christian to give this a look.



And while looking,

You should wonder whether OP is or is not a believer in Jesus Christ also...

sorry but no. You are in error. The website you linked is the hoax.

The pre-trib rapture event is correct.

Good information.

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Hi Bro, check your email

I have yet to meet a REAL Christian

most are false and just give it all lip service....


They love money more than the Lord.

They believe they will be floated up into clouds.

NOpe you are going to be judged like everyone else....you false hippos

The rapture can't be today because the antichrist isn't manifest (presented to the world and known to the church to be the antichrist). When he is, then it can be any day, but not today, and likely not so soon (even tough that day is becoming near).

And... again... Obama can't be the Antichrist, because the Antichrist is not just a mere chief of state of one nation, even if it's the biggest/more powerful one, because the antichrist will be at the top of ALL nations, not just one.

Of course, we can leave this world at any moment... In terms of salvation it's irrelevant when the rapture is. But for a correct understanding of the scriptures on this subject, it is.

As for OP's linked article claims, I believe they can be easily disproven by this passage alone:



If Jesus Christ had still to wait more time (let us say for the beggining or the middle of the seven years) for His return even after the Antichrist being manifested, then that assertion above would be incorrect, and the bible incorrect which is an absurd. So my only possible understanding is that the rapture is going to occur even before the seven years begin, and it could be even just a short time after the antichrist appears in the world scene and can be/will be correctly identified by the church as being the antichrist without a shadow of a doubt.