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Fuku: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 sfp July6

 
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Published yesterday by Fuku Diary, ANOTHER leak (or several) but this at the common sfp (the big one):

Contaminated groundwater has started breaking into common pool, to where Tepco is transferring the fuel assemblies from Reactor4 pool.

From Tepco’s announcement of 7/3/2014, they found groundwater was leaking into the basement floor of common pool building from 3 points of through-hole for piping.

They state the water is drained from the floor funnel to contaminated water circulating system.

The water is reported to be just groundwater, however it is contaminated.

Cesium-134 density : 21,000 Bq/m3

Cesium-137 density : 60,000 Bq/m3

All β nuclide density : 170,000 Bq/m3

It is not clear why the contaminated groundwater suddenly started breaking into the common pool.

(end snip)

Hmmm, wonder how this ties in with what is happening at #5?

Link: [link to fukushima-diary.com]
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yeah, they're "surprised", and "befuddled"

scientists will look into the cause of this "mystery"

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The original alert came from John Doe in Japan, an American in Tokyo who has been updating this from day 1.

We have had cooling interruptions periodically and will continue to have them because of the bombardment from neutron beams and gamma...the affect on metals causes accelerated fatigue through crystalization of the metal matrix. Wigner effect. Corrosion. Previous damage from the eq/explosions, etc etc.

In the past TEPCO has always been able to get it back online, once with sfp4 just in the nick of time. The problem with 'leaks' is the water is radioactive and makes it hard for workers to get close and fix what they nned to. From CP's post it looks like enough water leaked to be somewhat measurable...

The rods need constant cooling though so every day the temp is going to rise in the pool. If it gets to the point of boiling, then we have big problems.

They will likely bring in spray pumps or garden hoses to refill the pool before that happens. But this is far less effective than having direct cooling that works properly.
 Quoting: RadChick

Thank you, RadChick for all you do!

It is you, Citizenperth, Kevin Blanch, Chugaikian, and others who keep us informed. I thank you all.

If not for you guys, we would not know the truth.

:nn12:
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A little to far with that statement
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yer stupid, or uninformed.. we don't all 'live' here, nor in our mother's basement....

i supposed if all the news simply came from TEPCO you'd feel safe, no?
:hentaidoom:
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No , fuck Tepco , there are plenty of people fighting for the truth! Also just because someone disagrees that you're some kind of savior or something does not mean they live in there parents basement!
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Thank you, RadChick for all you do!

It is you, Citizenperth, Kevin Blanch, Chugaikian, and others who keep us informed. I thank you all.

If not for you guys, we would not know the truth.

:nn12:
 Quoting: Mountain Woman


A little to far with that statement
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780


yer stupid, or uninformed.. we don't all 'live' here, nor in our mother's basement....

i supposed if all the news simply came from TEPCO you'd feel safe, no?
:hentaidoom:
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No , fuck Tepco , there are plenty of people fighting for the truth! Also just because someone disagrees that you're some kind of savior or something does not mean they live in there parents basement!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780

If you are one of the truth seekers, why do you not join this effort here instead of being hateful?
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A little to far with that statement
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780


yer stupid, or uninformed.. we don't all 'live' here, nor in our mother's basement....

i supposed if all the news simply came from TEPCO you'd feel safe, no?
:hentaidoom:
 Quoting: Citizenperth


No , fuck Tepco , there are plenty of people fighting for the truth! Also just because someone disagrees that you're some kind of savior or something does not mean they live in there parents basement!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780

If you are one of the truth seekers, why do you not join this effort here instead of being hateful?
 Quoting: Mountain Woman


Not being hateful, not a shill, all of the ass kissing gets old , that's all
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the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
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the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
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I don't think that, it can't be fixed, it's just one big giant disaster

A nuclear power station should of never been built in a Earthquake zone

It's done, they did , were fucked!
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yer stupid, or uninformed.. we don't all 'live' here, nor in our mother's basement....

i supposed if all the news simply came from TEPCO you'd feel safe, no?
:hentaidoom:
 Quoting: Citizenperth


No , fuck Tepco , there are plenty of people fighting for the truth! Also just because someone disagrees that you're some kind of savior or something does not mean they live in there parents basement!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780

If you are one of the truth seekers, why do you not join this effort here instead of being hateful?
 Quoting: Mountain Woman


Not being hateful, not a shill, all of the ass kissing gets old , that's all
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I happen to believe in giving credit where credit is due. Some people give their lives to reporting the truth to the public. It is essential that people are informed about a global crisis such as this.

I have always been someone to kiss ass, if you want to call giving credit where credit is due...kissing ass.

These are my friends, and I admire their tireless effort to the cause of Fukushima. I learn from them everyday, and learning is my passion.
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Re: Fuku: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 sfp July6
the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


i was trolling a little bit but yeah it is pretty nuts that this is so much worse then Chernobyl yet the world just doesn't seem to be able to want to touch it one bit when the pacific ocean is being destroyed
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Re: Fuku: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 sfp July6
the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


i was trolling a little bit but yeah it is pretty nuts that this is so much worse then Chernobyl yet the world just doesn't seem to be able to want to touch it one bit when the pacific ocean is being destroyed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


they've just opened their beaches and pools in fukushima prefecture..

they say it's safe without releasing measurements.. but because it is radioactive sand, don't worry you can wash it off in the shower they say..

[link to fukushima-diary.com]

anyone that thinks this is all made up now is truly deranged....

i remember when they had the school kids cleaning out the water from school swimming pools....

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No , fuck Tepco , there are plenty of people fighting for the truth! Also just because someone disagrees that you're some kind of savior or something does not mean they live in there parents basement!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780

If you are one of the truth seekers, why do you not join this effort here instead of being hateful?
 Quoting: Mountain Woman


Not being hateful, not a shill, all of the ass kissing gets old , that's all
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780

I happen to believe in giving credit where credit is due. Some people give their lives to reporting the truth to the public. It is essential that people are informed about a global crisis such as this.

I have always been someone to kiss ass, if you want to call giving credit where credit is due...kissing ass.

These are my friends, and I admire their tireless effort to the cause of Fukushima. I learn from them everyday, and learning is my passion.
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Fair enough , just know lots of people work there ass off and never want their ass kissed peace
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the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


i was trolling a little bit but yeah it is pretty nuts that this is so much worse then Chernobyl yet the world just doesn't seem to be able to want to touch it one bit when the pacific ocean is being destroyed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091



Yes, it seem strange that mainstream media has not touched this.

I was doing some research and found out that our Nuclear Regulatory Commission is in bed with TEPCO.

Bill Magwood, an Obama appointee to the NRC, used to be a consultant for Tepco.

Our past nuclear commissioner, Janczko, wanted to go after Tepco, and he was overthrown by a coup at the NRC.

Basically, the reason Fukushima has gone so unreported in America...at least to me...it is apparent the NRC is in bed with Tepco.

This is my opinion.
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If you are one of the truth seekers, why do you not join this effort here instead of being hateful?
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Not being hateful, not a shill, all of the ass kissing gets old , that's all
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43778780

I happen to believe in giving credit where credit is due. Some people give their lives to reporting the truth to the public. It is essential that people are informed about a global crisis such as this.

I have always been someone to kiss ass, if you want to call giving credit where credit is due...kissing ass.

These are my friends, and I admire their tireless effort to the cause of Fukushima. I learn from them everyday, and learning is my passion.
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Fair enough , just know lots of people work there ass off and never want their ass kissed peace
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[link to newsblogged.com]

SNIP

Fukushima nuclear plant operator TEPCO reports that the coolant system of the fifth reactor was shut down due to a water leak. The system was halted after a leak near one of the valves was detected, according to the company’s press release.
The cooling system uses seawater that is being first pumped into the decontamination system and is then being fed to the reactors and the spent fuel pools. According to TEPCO, the temperature of the coolant liquid in the spent fuel pools is currently 23 degrees Celsius and no changes in the level of radioactive contamination has been reported yet
Read more: [link to voiceofrussia.com]
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the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


This is the smart play. The USA has made japan it's bitch many many times in history. Including forcing them to put nuclear reactors on an island that would not exist if not for thousands of 8.0+ earthquakes that created it.

You know what they say about paybacks. USA is going suffer 100 fold from it.
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the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


This is the smart play. The USA has made japan it's bitch many many times in history. Including forcing them to put nuclear reactors on an island that would not exist if not for thousands of 8.0+ earthquakes that created it.

You know what they say about paybacks. USA is going suffer 100 fold from it.
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Tic toc watch the clock
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Translated (google) Tepco release, as they have not supplied an english document



Asymmetric メ reported a relationship you have suitable 2014

Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 5 fill machine with cooling seawater system to stop ni u Spent Fuel Pool Cooling Full stop of Nippon te
Heisei 26 years July 6
Tokyo Electric Power Co.

Today (July 6) morning 11:10 hectares, the 5th machine up to cool the water system ※ piping Full Benten pay nearly Yori seawater But missing e-i expands te Kei ru ko と を, bread Suites ro have suitable in Full When club members But Development See shi ma shi ta.

Now, drain status を confirmation e-i te Kaori ma す expands.

Seawater Full leak e-i ge-specific and other を line u ta rather the Full prepare But out of sequence, up to cool the water line を stop Kei ta shi ma す But, ko れ ni Yori, the Spent Fuel Pool Full cooling も stop Kei ta shi ma す.
July 6 afternoon 0:00 Now Full Spent fuel pool water Full temperature は 23 ℃ で, cooling stops ni okeru temperature rise は a time thou ta ri 0.193 ℃ と na ri, Restraints on Full Under operation value 65 ℃ を super え ru ma で ni は approximately 9 day Full margin But thou ri ma す.

Na お atomic furnace Full cooling system で は other line っ te Kaori, fill the seawater cooling system machine stopped も を present point で は cooling influence thou ri ma ni Shear.

※ Reactor Turbine や で su ru cooling using cold water を や す ta sea rather Full
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the japs dont care to fix the problem becuase they know about the jet streams and ocean currents, they know it all flows to USA! they will let it fall into the ocean as revenge for hiroshima and nagasaki and we all know the japs are willing to kamikazi themselves for this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52746091


i was trolling a little bit but yeah it is pretty nuts that this is so much worse then Chernobyl yet the world just doesn't seem to be able to want to touch it one bit when the pacific ocean is being destroyed
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Yes, it seem strange that mainstream media has not touched this.

I was doing some research and found out that our Nuclear Regulatory Commission is in bed with TEPCO.

Bill Magwood, an Obama appointee to the NRC, used to be a consultant for Tepco.

Our past nuclear commissioner, Janczko, wanted to go after Tepco, and he was overthrown by a coup at the NRC.

Basically, the reason Fukushima has gone so unreported in America...at least to me...it is apparent the NRC is in bed with Tepco.

This is my opinion.
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shesright
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Re: Fuku: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 sfp July6
It's been 3 years now. If Fukushima was really the end of the world, we'd see more evidence by now. I think there's a bunch of wishful doomdayers on here.
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What I don't understand is the meltdown in Russia years ago Chernobyl and a whole city is condemened while this one is Spose to beamy times worse and it's still goin on while world governments just ignore it, you'd think they'd be gettin together to solve the problem if it's that bad.
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Thanks to the shill who keeps bumping the thread.

hf lol

The real shit-kicker may be this: Typhoon incoming, and it's a strong one. It will weaken from a possible 5 to a 2 or 3 before it gets to Fuku, at least thats what Weather Underground is reporting - but that is still pretty strong...just updated on Jeff Master's blog:

In the Western Pacific, Typhoon Neoguri has strengthened into a dangerous Category 4 storm with 140 mph winds this Sunday morning, and is headed west-northwest at 12 mph towards a Tuesday brush with Okinawa in Japan's Ryukyu island chain. Satellite images show a huge and well-organized system, with a prominent eye, and very intense eyewall thunderstorms with cold cloud tops. WInd shear is light, 5 - 10 knots, sea surface temperatures are a very warm 30 - 31°C, and very warm waters extend to great depth along the storm's path, giving the typhoon plenty of heat energy to power potential intensification into a Category 5 Super Typhoon...Although ocean temperatures will cool and wind shear will rise as Neoguri approaches Japan, weakening the storm, the typhoon is so large and powerful that it will likely make landfall at Category 2 or 3 strength, causing major damage in Japan.

[link to www.wunderground.com]
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Our best hope for the hurricane, is that it dumps fresh water onto the reactor cores to keep them cool,
oh, wait, this means more ground water to wash the radioactive soil into the pacific…. Geesh!
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OOH SCARY
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Japan, seriously, in all sincerety, how can you joke about this?
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If you have any honor or love of country, please answer this!
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Haven't you got some bible quotes to throw around or something else equally profound?
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Her question was sincere, How can you joke about this?
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are the Tepco cameras down? I can't seem to get them to work.
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Now on RT:

At the time when the cooling system was switched off at around 12pm on Sunday, the temperature in the pool in which the rods are submerged was 23C but started increasing by 0.193 degrees per hour, TEPCO says.

If no new cold water is pumped in at such rate it will reach the dangerous threshold of 65C by the midpoint of the month in roughly 9 days.

Such temperatures, which have not been routinely seen at the plant since the failing of the cooling system in the immediate aftermath, would increase the possibility of dangerous reactions and further radiation leaks in the plant.

[link to rt.com]
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Now on RT:

At the time when the cooling system was switched off at around 12pm on Sunday, the temperature in the pool in which the rods are submerged was 23C but started increasing by 0.193 degrees per hour, TEPCO says.

If no new cold water is pumped in at such rate it will reach the dangerous threshold of 65C by the midpoint of the month in roughly 9 days.

Such temperatures, which have not been routinely seen at the plant since the failing of the cooling system in the immediate aftermath, would increase the possibility of dangerous reactions and further radiation leaks in the plant.

[link to rt.com]
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dear shit.. do the math on the volume of water to waste as per cooling and criticalities of temperature alone.. it expedites as we know.....
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Now on RT:

At the time when the cooling system was switched off at around 12pm on Sunday, the temperature in the pool in which the rods are submerged was 23C but started increasing by 0.193 degrees per hour, TEPCO says.

If no new cold water is pumped in at such rate it will reach the dangerous threshold of 65C by the midpoint of the month in roughly 9 days.

Such temperatures, which have not been routinely seen at the plant since the failing of the cooling system in the immediate aftermath, would increase the possibility of dangerous reactions and further radiation leaks in the plant.

[link to rt.com]
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dear shit.. do the math on the volume of water to waste as per cooling and criticalities of temperature alone.. it expedites as we know.....
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Yes it goes up exponentially, I remember seeing the original math in the early days at physics.orgs massive thread. Too tired to look for it now. But I bet 9 days is being generous on the side of TEPCO. Typhoons always seem to have a way of springing a few new leaks there, too.

I'm sure they are pulling out the duct tape and pink shower curtains there as we speak. <<Sigh>>
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Since TEPCO is using seawater for many of its cooling needs at the power plant, it has previously encountered heightened levels of corrosion, in sensitive equipment. The cooling system at various reactors has also been beset by calamities – from rats short circuiting the control panel and forcing a blackout, to an employee “accidentally” switching it off, though all were resolved before rod pools overheated.

At the same time, TEPCO is struggling to deal with ever-increasing volumes of contaminated water which is being stored in hundreds of tanks at the facility and frequently leaking and contaminating the soil beneath it. And the much publicized plan to stop contaminated water from leaking into the sea by building an ‘ice-wall’ and freezing soil and water around the facility is not working as well as Japanese officials had hoped.

^^ Yeah it was a total failure, because it WON'T FREEZE.
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Since TEPCO is using seawater for many of its cooling needs at the power plant, it has previously encountered heightened levels of corrosion, in sensitive equipment. The cooling system at various reactors has also been beset by calamities – from rats short circuiting the control panel and forcing a blackout, to an employee “accidentally” switching it off, though all were resolved before rod pools overheated.

At the same time, TEPCO is struggling to deal with ever-increasing volumes of contaminated water which is being stored in hundreds of tanks at the facility and frequently leaking and contaminating the soil beneath it. And the much publicized plan to stop contaminated water from leaking into the sea by building an ‘ice-wall’ and freezing soil and water around the facility is not working as well as Japanese officials had hoped.

^^ Yeah it was a total failure, because it WON'T FREEZE.
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they did create the world's largest mass of unprotected radioactive mud though.... givem a sticker

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Is there any possibility that "Fuku" (seriously?) is a hoax?

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if you listen to the $Nuke Indu$try, its all a big scare story and they would gladly have a picnic with you in any damaged reactor of your choice
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Re: Fuku: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 sfp July6
REACTOR 5 ?!?!?!!!!!

Holy Crap!!!!!!!



scared





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