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America Has a bigger prison population than Totalitarian China With Over A Billion People

 
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yes I just bump 'ed my own post ...

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makes you wonder if its the prison US industrial complex inviting in the "illegals" ...

When I was in a cali jail for for an over exaggerated amount of time with some over exaggerated handling ... I got thrown through the machine to see in the inner mechanics ... I should have been out first thing the next day , instead it was the beginning of a week long with internment , camping out in these severely over-crowded cells with 95% mexican , meaning I was the only white dude most of the time with 49 mexicans approx. I thought I was going to die at certain points... not from mexicans but from the lack of air / suffocation from being so overcrowded.

Needless to say hell almost froze over.

(I was telling them to get out of this chicken factory USA and go enjoy paradise and freedom in Mexico ... I was saying that all they had to do was to collectively agree to be good and paradise was theirs)
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China doesn't have blacks
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It doesn't help to have every scum bags walk across our border. There country is happy to have us feed and cloth them.
They break International law as illegals why should they have respect for any law?
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America has more blacks

End of debate
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4842915


Then what about the countries that are all black?

And I don't mean New Zealand lol.

Statistically shouldn't those countries have a much higher percentage rate, considering the vast majority of their citizens are black?
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The difference is we have Africa-Americans. Being black has nothing to do with it, behavior does.
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It's a money making scheme. Not "justice". We all know that. Private prison contracts.
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Thank you.
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Maybe it's because so many Chinese receive death sentences so their organs can be harvested for transplants to rich americans for big $$$.
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China prefers to put a bullet in someones head shortly after they're convicted.....and then charge the perp's family for the bullet.
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THANK U.
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I am still wondering why you slaves think 'merica is 'so great' compared to countries like Canada.
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There are like 5 people in Canada.

And 3 of them are from India.

And the reason that America is so great compared to other countries is that even though we have a shit-ton of people in prison, those people in prison are living in more luxury than most of the people on the planet.

Even the worst treated of our citizens are better off than most of the people on the planet, and THAT'S a fact.

We might have problems, but it doesn't mean we're not still the best and that people from all over the world aren't still willing to risk everything they have, including their lives, to come here.

Our problems are fixable, dude - we're working on them.

As much as I bitch about some of the shit that goes on here, I fully recognize and respect that I am lucky as fuck to have been born in a nation that allows me the right to complain about what I think is wrong and which has allowed me to become educated enough to know the difference.

Don't shit yourself, we might not do everything right all the time for every person, but people in America have a better chance of living to their full potential than they do virtually anywhere else in the world.
 Quoting: Em18966


Your first post made me depressed for a second, but this brought me back up. I'm glad to have been born here at this time. I wish I knew of a peaceful way out.

I thought we were fucked many years ago, and now it's worse. What's gonna happen???




I had no idea we had more prisoners than China. I know a handful of people that were in the system growing up, it's hell. I was on probation before turning 18, it was a joke.

My one friend growing up constantly got out because he spent money on a good lawyer.

My step father is a CO, he says don't get a public defender and he's right. It's fucking sickening. I could never work at a prison.
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As long as there are rational, empathetic, logical and humane American citizens living in this nation we have the potential to be all that we were intended to be.

Society and cultures have to evolve along with people, and intelligent people realize this.

Intelligent people realize that the solution to our problems isn't to try to homogenize every person into a carbon copy of the next and imprison those who don't fit the mold.

Unfortunately, evolution is rarely smooth. There are going to be problems, screw-ups. We're trying for a better system.

It would be helpful if more people would wake up and/or remove their heads from their asses and realize that we're all in this together and that locking people up for trivial shit isn't really the answer to making society a better place - we can do better than that.

It's going to take time, and it's probably going to be ugly, but I hope that we can figure out a system that's better than the one we've got.

What doesn't help us advance, though, is denying that we have a problem and refusing to see that there is shit going on that needs to be corrected.

I guess we'll see.
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The US arrests too many people, has too many prisoners, too many parasite lawyers, too many abc agencies, too many militarized cops, etc... Stopping the criminalization of people for drugs would be a good start to fixing things.
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The Government would save itself lots of money if it could cut the criminal legal employment support system. Starting with judges, lawyers, policing force, the administrative staff and the prison population. However, these professional law enforcement people would intentionally facilitate crime to maintain their job security...hey, I can feel them...that's the real world.

For example: when goverment start seriously thinking about cutting defense spending, then next week in the news you would hear about wars breaking out all over the globe. They have to keep the money flowing through the pipelines. Hey, I understand job security.
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There are several causes:

Drugs - Meth, Heroin, Coke, & Crack
Poor Education System
Media induced thug culture
Media induced disgusting culture
No structure in society, it is all shades of gray for young people
No jobs for those that are not rocket scientists - those jobs went overseas and the greedy American's sold out their people for cheap, poor quality goods. Hogs to the trough.
An evil legal system that preys upon young people that took the bait put out by the media and the culture
Mandatory Minimums, sentencing is a one size fits all rather than the judge looking at the circumstances and the person

Fuck this place and the dumb fucking laws and dumb fucking jurors that put people away for years on end. I don't like Obama and his gang but I have to say he is doing one hell of job on destroying this place. However, he could not have done it if the people were not so damn evil.
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There are several causes:

Drugs - Meth, Heroin, Coke, & Crack
Poor Education System
Media induced thug culture
Media induced disgusting culture
No structure in society, it is all shades of gray for young people
No jobs for those that are not rocket scientists - those jobs went overseas and the greedy American's sold out their people for cheap, poor quality goods. Hogs to the trough.
An evil legal system that preys upon young people that took the bait put out by the media and the culture
Mandatory Minimums, sentencing is a one size fits all rather than the judge looking at the circumstances and the person

Fuck this place and the dumb fucking laws and dumb fucking jurors that put people away for years on end. I don't like Obama and his gang but I have to say he is doing one hell of job on destroying this place. However, he could not have done it if the people were not so damn evil.
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This whole country is an f-ing prison
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If China had more Blacks, they'd need to build lots, and lots and lot of jails, prisons, and court houses.
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The more laws you have, the more people will get ideas about what to do with their time. The least crime era of humanity was when there were no written laws.
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Chinese prisoners don't survive long with missing organs idiot
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America has more blacks

End of debate
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4842915


Then what about the countries that are all black?

And I don't mean New Zealand lol.

Statistically shouldn't those countries have a much higher percentage rate, considering the vast majority of their citizens are black?
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The difference is we have Africa-Americans. Being black has nothing to do with it, behavior does.
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You mean North American pavement apes.
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Let's add in the fact that our mental health system is not working. The illegals have taken much of counties budgets for mental health. Our kids are flipping out on meth and we have no recourse if they are over 18 and even if they are still a minor you must shell out thousands of dollars for rehab which really doesn't work unless you have a cool few hundred thousand to spend and can afford nine months to three years. I find it very odd that we pay property taxes and some of us pay hefty taxes for county services that were suppose to be there for us. Our kids are being stolen by this drug and killed by cops when they are whacked out yet parents hands were tied by the law which did the exact opposite of what law is suppose to do. The law did not protect and even endangered the addicts and their loved ones. Their shitty little 72 hour holds is total bullshit and you can't address the issue with the person in that amount of time. They need fucking 9 to 25 months. Try to get that and you can't. They like to lie in wait for something bad to happen with our children so they can get a juicy line on their resume and the prison industustrial complex gets another warm body for many years when it could have all been prevented had those that were truly concerned about the welfare of the person were inhibited from helping and preventing the outcome. We are in a new age and a new drug yet they system deals with it as if the person still has control over their behavior when they clearly do not and it can be proven with our knowledge and technology. I call fucking bullshit on it all and every night I go to sleep I pray to God for its desmise.
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Evidence that we have a total police state.
 Quoting: Chip


This.

And people have not just let it happen, they have demanded it.

They have allowed themselves to believe that it is somehow justice that a person convicted of a non-violent offense spends the rest of their life in prison.


They demand more and more arbitrary legislation, laws to regulate virtually every aspect of our lives, and severe punishments for non-conformity.

Not only that, but they believe that once someone has been ACCUSED of a crime (a crime that could be as petty as talking back to a cop or not cutting ones grass to the appropriate length or refusing to allow a government entity to install a radiation-emitting smart meter in your home) that they are DESERVING of whatever treatment the police decide to mete out.

There is no more innocent until proven guilty.

If you are ACCUSED of a crime, you are suddenly to be treated as a sub-human being. Like a piece of chattel or worse.

Cops, who were NEVER supposed to have the authority to mete out punishment, are killing people in their own homes without even charging them with a crime, they are killing American citizens on the streets for saying the wrong thing in the wrong tone of voice or for legally carrying weapons that the cops deem threatening. They are killing people's pets because they offer citizens protection.

And what's worse, 90% of American's believe that this is just FINE, that it's OK, because these are the police, they wouldn't do anything that wasn't for the public's own good, right?

If you are unlucky enough to be CONVICTED of a felony, you're pretty much fucked. The populous now believes you are a piece of human refuse, no longer deserving of basic, fundamental human rights, even though nowhere in our Constitution does it say that our American rights can be terminated by the ruling of a criminal court judge.

Then, you are thrown into the prison system, where you are at the mercy of corrupt guards and prison financiers, made to work for pennies an hour while the corrupt people at the top turn a tidy profit. And if you refuse, you will be beaten, starved, thrown in solitary confinement or worse.

And if you complain, nobody will believe you or care, because you are nothing but a criminal, deserving of no consideration or human compassion. Certainly, your word will NEVER be believed above that of a corrections officer.

This is their ultimate goal. To have the good little conformists on the outside, and those who refuse to toe the line be used as slaves on the inside of one prison or another.

They call it justice, but it's really nothing more than a modern institution of human slavery. And as the crimes that people are imprisoned for become more petty and as the general populous becomes more ignorant of their rights, the system will only get bigger and less humane.
 Quoting: Em18966


I share your opinion, on the other hand that 90% created this slave system, because this is what fits them the best. They treat eachother and us like animals, not just in the prison system, but in the family and workplace too. They take every single occasion to hurt somebody because they think that brings them forward.

The real issue is that we have to live with them. As long they are there, there's no hope for change.
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Hard to compare America to China.

The Chinese police normally don't have to worry about using their weapons. Chinese prisons are horrible places and some are subjected to slave labor. If you are convicted of corruption you are shot. There is a good chance if you have police contact you will be unmercifully beaten perhaps to death. The Chinese don't have to deal with multicultural issues. Perpetrators of criminal activity are not viewed as victims of society.

Lots of people in America don't care if they go to jail; just part of life. People aren't ashamed of their behavior. Jail isn't that bad for many, they just adjust and continue the same behavior in jail that got them put there in the first place. The writers of the Constitution decided punishment should not be humiliating so we have prisons and punishment where the convict is not the least humiliated by his behavior. There is no incentive for people to change bad behavior as they believe they are victims. Most US prisons have ineffective programs for social/psychological problems and no one cares. Training programs usually are a joke. Lots of people in the US grow up in violent conditions and as adults continue the violence. We have a culture where capital punishment isn't supposed to hurt though an offender didn't care about the effect of his violent behavior. We would probably be better off with short prison sentences where the experience would be something the inmate might not want to repeat.

Of course, prisons in the US are big business, even government owned prisons support the local economy.
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I was 17 years old when the drug companies were dumping oxycontin on the streets, and within a year of using figured out that straight H was cheaper so all my buddies and myself ended up on dope. About half of my old friends are dead, either from OD or drugged driving crashes and things like that.

Out of the half of us that are still alive, I am pretty much the only one who never ended up doing significant time in jail. The only one. I was always EXTREMELY LUCKY and have a solid trait that I can keep cool, calm, and collected around the fuzz which has pretty much saved my virgin butthole. The rest of my old buddies? All felons now. It seems like they'll get released for a bit and then end up right back in prison for something else.

The war on drugs needs to stop. Too many children are growing up with mom or dad locked up in jail for stupid shit like weed. Too many kids are taken off their parents, who DO provide for them, and being entered into the pedo network of foster care.

There are so many issues going on with the modern day world that the drug war isn't even really discussed at this point, when it should be. Treatment is the way to go, they just need to figure out how to get SUPER RICH off of treating addiction instead of getting SUPER RICH off of keeping everyone locked up for ridiculous amounts of time for victimless crimes!

When I do drugs I am not hurting anyone but myself and my family. No immediate victim but me. Yet the .gov tries to tell me what I can put inside of me. I don't need a babysitter, I need help if I'm back on the shit. Luckily I'm not now and haven't been for a while, but things do change and I am just glad I'm sober for today.
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Tell us, mr expert op, how many people are executed in China each year.

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America has more blacks

End of debate
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Then what about the countries that are all black?

And I don't mean New Zealand lol.

Statistically shouldn't those countries have a much higher percentage rate, considering the vast majority of their citizens are black?
 Quoting: Aligator_Ireland 23794848


The difference is we have Africa-Americans. Being black has nothing to do with it, behavior does.
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Oh yeah, I forgot that blacks don't have ten times the violent crime rate of whites everywhere in the world.

Oh wait. They do. It is almost as if they have some natural predisposition for low intelligence and random acts of violence. But that can't be. Because we are all equal and stuff, right?
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China prefers to put a bullet in someones head shortly after they're convicted.....and then charge the perp's family for the bullet.
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China prefers to put a bullet in someones head shortly after they're convicted.....and then charge the perp's family for the bullet.
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Link?
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Our area has little to no money for social programs, childhood dental care, after school projects, clean water....but there is always money for the massively overcrowded jails:

[link to www.wect.com]

The sheriff in Pender County plans to ask county commissioners Monday night for nearly $600,000.

Sheriff Carson Smith says the jail is overcrowded and he needs the money for inmate safekeeping and housing of inmates in other jails
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Evidence that we have a total police state.
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Evidence we have a lot of nig nogs.
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While I am sure there are too many people in US prisons, and that the private prison industry is evil and never should have existed, comparing China and the US is not really useful in my eyes.

Seems to me like many decades of China's 20th century history paint a picture of a nation that was really one big prison? Perhaps things have changed but I'm sure that legacy of that lives on in the way people self-police themselves.

Can everyone in China travel freely within China and live wherever they want to, work where they want to? Was that always the case if it is now? I always heard they had to have internal passes, permission to travel, and that they were assigned to study programs and assigned to jobs.

Doesn't China have a system of internal exile, where offenders are sent to outlying provinces where they are kept to work hard labor on farms and in factories?

Perhaps the internal exile to a primitive, remote farm is not considered and counted in "prison" statistics? Is it?

I have a lot of questions about the comparison, which doesn't mean I approve of our prison system here.

A lot of countries have way more violence than the US, Brazil and South Africa come to mind, Mexico too, under corrupt governments perhaps criminals are not imprisoned because they buy off the law enforcement - what do you think? Sounds plausible to me.


Which countries have the highest unsolved murder rate, the lowest conviction rates for violent crimes? Maybe that would be a better comparison?
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Wasn't trying to kill the thread . . . .
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This is the kind of stuff I was thinking about that goes on in China, which probably doesn't get counted as prisoners in prison for crimes committed, it's just part of their fucked up labor system and economic controls, right?

From the Beware - made in China thread:

Chinese labor
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Do not participate in these atrocities
 Quoting: Kirk


From your link:

It is illegal in the United States to import goods made by slave labor.

Here is how the Chinese government gets around this restriction:

Multiple names for an institution
Frequently change names of labor camps and addresses
False holding companies
Use of brokers and agents
Ship goods to another country, then to US
Mix labor camp goods with goods from legitimate factories
Mislabel items as to country of manufacture

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And our gov't knows all this, particpates by allowing it, and does most of the same or similiar things themselves.

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The Chinese have a harsher death penalty rate so they have less criminals
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They also have what they call "admistrative detention" which means that the local cops can send you away for a couple of years without the bother of any trial. They called it Re-education Through Labor but it was so despised by the people and criticised by the international community that they put a stop to it in 2013. These RTL facilities were the labor camps.

So what they did was change the sign on the door and call it "drug rehabilitation center" which made little difference, as addicts were sent to labor camps along with everybody else to begin with. They also set up a lot of "legal education centers" which is a nice name for brainwashing centers. On the word of the cops, you might gt a show trial, and then get sent to brainwashing.

They have another one for sex-workers, and another one for juveniles.

Only those who commit crimes like robbery, murder, or political prisoners like dissidents and human rights lawyers, Falun Gong practitioners, and some Christians get sent to prison.

That is why they have a lower prison populations, they have a second system going too.

This is widely used for petty crimes
 Quoting: Seerose


Thank you, I should have read the whole thread before I posted before, you said exactly what I was saying, they have plenty of people whose lives are not their own, who are restricted from travel, from freedom of association, from spending their time the way they might wish to, from protesting the conditions they are kept in, BUT - they're not "IN PRISON". See how that works? And people can't see it, they think prison is only one thing, bars on a cell door after a trial and conviction. Pretty soon the whole world will be one big open air prison, but no one will care because, look, we're not wearing orange jumpsuits and the toilet has a seat on it, so it can't be prison, right?
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The Chinese have a harsher death penalty rate so they have less criminals
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They also have what they call "admistrative detention" which means that the local cops can send you away for a couple of years without the bother of any trial. They called it Re-education Through Labor but it was so despised by the people and criticised by the international community that they put a stop to it in 2013. These RTL facilities were the labor camps.

So what they did was change the sign on the door and call it "drug rehabilitation center" which made little difference, as addicts were sent to labor camps along with everybody else to begin with. They also set up a lot of "legal education centers" which is a nice name for brainwashing centers. On the word of the cops, you might gt a show trial, and then get sent to brainwashing.

They have another one for sex-workers, and another one for juveniles.

Only those who commit crimes like robbery, murder, or political prisoners like dissidents and human rights lawyers, Falun Gong practitioners, and some Christians get sent to prison.

That is why they have a lower prison populations, they have a second system going too.

This is widely used for petty crimes
 Quoting: Seerose


Thank you, I should have read the whole thread before I posted before, you said exactly what I was saying, they have plenty of people whose lives are not their own, who are restricted from travel, from freedom of association, from spending their time the way they might wish to, from protesting the conditions they are kept in, BUT - they're not "IN PRISON". See how that works? And people can't see it, they think prison is only one thing, bars on a cell door after a trial and conviction. Pretty soon the whole world will be one big open air prison, but no one will care because, look, we're not wearing orange jumpsuits and the toilet has a seat on it, so it can't be prison, right?
 Quoting: Vision Thing


They have the bars on the door and the locks, but not the trial and jury in the above cases.