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Newton's Own destroys forever the theory of evolution. Ask me a question evolution adhearants

 
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All who know me here know I do not embark on these matters without my heavenly fathers blessing, so I pray now, heavenly father, do do your will and through questions of those who seek, to reveal your power and wisdom, for your glory alone, no matter the thousands of obfuscating doctrines taught to generations of those who would have enterered on their own, and were hindered. In Jesus' precious name I pray to you with a whole heart. Grant me wisdom and courage to see the right, the will to overcome it, and the perseverance to see it through. Amen.

Come, evolutionists.......prove me wrong, if you can.
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So....I form of roses. Changing from one organism to another explains all evolution? Nay. That is micro evolution. I'm taking about the half one animal, half another fossils or evidence yet to be found using the evolutionists basic premise: that time is the equaliser to allow for chance mutations.

Problem is, there is no such thing as chance. It is a human invention. Ill prove it. We flip a coin 100 times. "Chance" tells 50 will be heads, 50 will be tails, or very close, to spare you the math. But oh, there are two philosophical and spiritual truths ignored. If you knew exactly the right about of force to apply, the wind, distance to the palm and the weight of the object, you could make it land on heads every time.

Now for the spiritual effect: take that same coin and flip it 100 times, each time thinking only and I mean ONLY heads EACH FLIP. give me an honest run, and I will show you a wonder...

Chance was invented by MEN to take you from the POWER in you!
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the process of flowers ....the process....you are using to much mind power for something that needs not much to understand...
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Being gay is not evoulution. Its an abomonation to God and so to me. Period.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



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All who know me here know I do not embark on these matters without my heavenly fathers blessing
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Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds?

Come, evolutionists.......prove me wrong, if you can.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Bare assertions don't need to be disproven, they need to be forcefully rejected.

Come back when you have some actual evidence to present, so we can have an actual debate like rational adults.
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All who know me here know I do not embark on these matters without my heavenly fathers blessing, so I pray now, heavenly father, do do your will and through questions of those who seek, to reveal your power and wisdom, for your glory alone, no matter the thousands of obfuscating doctrines taught to generations of those who would have enterered on their own, and were hindered. In Jesus' precious name I pray to you with a whole heart. Grant me wisdom and courage to see the right, the will to overcome it, and the perseverance to see it through. Amen.

Come, evolutionists.......prove me wrong, if you can.
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All who know me here know I do not embark on these matters without my heavenly fathers blessing
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Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds?

Come, evolutionists.......prove me wrong, if you can.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Bare assertions don't need to be disproven, they need to be forcefully rejected.

Come back when you have some actual evidence to present, so we can have an actual debate like rational adults.
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Its no delusion. Its the truth.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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All who know me here know I do not embark on these matters without my heavenly fathers blessing
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Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds?

Come, evolutionists.......prove me wrong, if you can.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Bare assertions don't need to be disproven, they need to be forcefully rejected.

Come back when you have some actual evidence to present, so we can have an actual debate like rational adults.
book
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I can refute them with miles of narrative if you'd like, but that doesn't work here.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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The way I see it, the burden of proof is on the evolutionists, not creationists. Believing in evolution requires much more faith.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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The way I see it, the burden of proof is on the evolutionists, not creationists. Believing in evolution requires much more faith.
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And the way you see it is wrong.

But, you're a delusional fuckwit who believes in fairy tales, so you'll never understand that.
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The way I see it, the burden of proof is on the evolutionists, not creationists. Believing in evolution requires much more faith.
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And the way you see it is wrong.

But, you're a delusional fuckwit who believes in fairy tales, so you'll never understand that.
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Then tell me how I'm wrong, specifically.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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So many have no stomach for asserting their belief because they are standing on a foundation of sand.

Last Edited by Priest of Melchizedek on 07/07/2014 02:19 PM
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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The Good Doctor's Prodigiously Pretentiously Pompously Perspicaciously Pedagogical Pediatric Pontine Tumor Proof

Here, again, is a real observation that requires explanation despite the believer's cowardice. On occasion children and adolescents can develop a rather nasty tumor of the brain stem, particularly the metencephalon, or pons. It is infiltrative and not amenable to surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy. The latter two therapies merely prolong the ultimate decline.

The decline? As with real estate, the watchword for the central nervous system is "location!" The tumor destroys the descending voluntary pathways and centers for the cranial nerves which enervate facial musculature whilst preserving the sensory pathways. The child progressively losses control of her body up to her eye muscles which allows some rudimentary communication. Since the trigger for consciousness is located in the more rostral ventral midbrain or mesencephalon, she remains conscious throughout the months of decline. During this deterioration, she retains sensation and consciousness. She feels every ulcer, every pain; she remains completely aware of her condition and decline.

Eventually, on a tracheostomy, she will succumb usually to an infection.

This is not only a real case, it is all too frequent.

This is a case of Unjustified Suffering unless you or anyone else can find some manner in which to justify it. Notice that I do not attack the death--people die. Perhaps she was destined to be the next Celine Dion. . . . It is the extent and severity of the suffering that renders it Unjustified Suffering. What did the child do to deserve it? Consider then why Josef Mengele passed easily from a stroke while swimming. Why did he apparently deserve a far easier passage?

Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Since No Alleviation of her Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.
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All who know me here know I do not embark on these matters without my heavenly fathers blessing
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Its no delusion. Its the truth.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Have you ever considered the benefits of psychofarmaca?

Come, evolutionists.......prove me wrong, if you can.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Bare assertions don't need to be disproven, they need to be forcefully rejected.

Come back when you have some actual evidence to present, so we can have an actual debate like rational adults.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I can refute them with miles of narrative if you'd like, but that doesn't work here.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

IOW you bolster your bare assertion with MORE bare ASSertions.

You're all blab...

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Look at me! I have an opinion!! Do you like my opinion? Do you have an opinion too?


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The Good Doctor's Prodigiously Pretentiously Pompously Perspicaciously Pedagogical Pediatric Pontine Tumor Proof

Here, again, is a real observation that requires explanation despite the believer's cowardice. On occasion children and adolescents can develop a rather nasty tumor of the brain stem, particularly the metencephalon, or pons. It is infiltrative and not amenable to surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy. The latter two therapies merely prolong the ultimate decline.

The decline? As with real estate, the watchword for the central nervous system is "location!" The tumor destroys the descending voluntary pathways and centers for the cranial nerves which enervate facial musculature whilst preserving the sensory pathways. The child progressively losses control of her body up to her eye muscles which allows some rudimentary communication. Since the trigger for consciousness is located in the more rostral ventral midbrain or mesencephalon, she remains conscious throughout the months of decline. During this deterioration, she retains sensation and consciousness. She feels every ulcer, every pain; she remains completely aware of her condition and decline.

Eventually, on a tracheostomy, she will succumb usually to an infection.

This is not only a real case, it is all too frequent.

This is a case of Unjustified Suffering unless you or anyone else can find some manner in which to justify it. Notice that I do not attack the death--people die. Perhaps she was destined to be the next Celine Dion. . . . It is the extent and severity of the suffering that renders it Unjustified Suffering. What did the child do to deserve it? Consider then why Josef Mengele passed easily from a stroke while swimming. Why did he apparently deserve a far easier passage?

Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Since No Alleviation of her Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.
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First of all, you ascribing this condition to the person who is afflicted. Some sins are ascribed to those who are responsible for the toxic nature of their make money at all costs regardless of the damage nature and greed. People and children living under the high power lines gets tumors and die. Is that Gods will? The sins of men of power making a buck? Or Gods mercy taking that child before his accountability age when he would be lost? The ways of God are unreachable.

The bottom line is, the 1%, mostly the bankers of Babylon proliferated through the ages, have created a system where even having a job contributes to evil. They own more than double all the money in the world and hoard it, leaving us to scramble for the scraps. How many times have mechanics charged more than is wrong to increase there productivity, hoping to get promoted and putting more food on their table and to have more "things"? How many doctors misdiagnose so to push a drug under pressure from big pharmaceutical? How many really and truly care for YOU?

There are many strange diseases. As in the days of Noah, so will be the days of the coming of the son of man. I am not saying near death experience are real. I just don't know. But after reading literally thousands, I see a common thread or two. One being the overwhelming presence of uncountable children!

The ways of God are mysterious, for he is God. But he is JUST AND HOLY and wishes for NONE to perish. He loves us all, as I love my own children. Even murders love their children and friends. How much GREATER then love of God for us?

Last Edited by Priest of Melchizedek on 07/07/2014 06:16 PM
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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Just as I thought. Words out, I suppose. Dont argue with Newtons Own.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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The Good Doctor's Prodigiously Pretentiously Pompously Perspicaciously Pedagogical Pediatric Pontine Tumor Proof

Here, again, is a real observation that requires explanation despite the believer's cowardice. On occasion children and adolescents can develop a rather nasty tumor of the brain stem, particularly the metencephalon, or pons. It is infiltrative and not amenable to surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy. The latter two therapies merely prolong the ultimate decline.

The decline? As with real estate, the watchword for the central nervous system is "location!" The tumor destroys the descending voluntary pathways and centers for the cranial nerves which enervate facial musculature whilst preserving the sensory pathways. The child progressively losses control of her body up to her eye muscles which allows some rudimentary communication. Since the trigger for consciousness is located in the more rostral ventral midbrain or mesencephalon, she remains conscious throughout the months of decline. During this deterioration, she retains sensation and consciousness. She feels every ulcer, every pain; she remains completely aware of her condition and decline.

Eventually, on a tracheostomy, she will succumb usually to an infection.

This is not only a real case, it is all too frequent.

This is a case of Unjustified Suffering unless you or anyone else can find some manner in which to justify it. Notice that I do not attack the death--people die. Perhaps she was destined to be the next Celine Dion. . . . It is the extent and severity of the suffering that renders it Unjustified Suffering. What did the child do to deserve it? Consider then why Josef Mengele passed easily from a stroke while swimming. Why did he apparently deserve a far easier passage?

Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Since No Alleviation of her Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.
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First of all, you ascribing this condition to the person who is afflicted.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


So you are suggesting it is just to punish someone *else* rather than the party responsible?

That strikes me as firmly in the 'A Deity Exists and He is Evil' category.

Some sins are ascribed to those who are responsible for the toxic nature of their make money at all costs regardless of the damage nature and greed.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Yet the ultimate responsibility must remain the Deity's, if such a Deity exists. With infinite power comes infinite responsibility.


People and children living under the high power lines gets tumors and die. Is that Gods will?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


It must be, or He is irrelevant or incompetent.

The sins of men of power making a buck? Or Gods mercy taking that child before his accountability age when he would be lost?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


As outlined in the Proof, there are many more merciful ways to end the child's suffering, yet the Deity chooses not to be so merciful -- leading us invariably back to the five possibilities outlined above.

The ways of God are unreachable.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


The old 'mysterious ways' defense. It is amusing how often the Believers must resort to this defense, since the logic of the proof remains apparently unassailable.

The bottom line is, the 1%, mostly the bankers of Babylon proliferated through the ages, have created a system where even having a job contributes to evil. They own more than double all the money in the world and hoard it, leaving us to scramble for the scraps. How many times have mechanics charged more than is wrong to increase there productivity, hoping to get promoted and putting more food on their table and to have more "things"? How many doctors misdiagnose so to push a drug under pressure from big pharmaceutical?
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All of these are irrelevant, though I agree with many of your sentiments. The Deity made the system in the first place, therefore one can only make the assumption that its going according to His divine and perfect plan. Everything is as He intended -- which leads once again invariably back to the five possibilities.

How many really and truly care for YOU?
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Enough do. Ad hominem noted, by the by.

There are many strange diseases. As in the days of Noah, so will be the days of the coming of the son of man. I am not saying near death experience are real. I just don't know. But after reading literally thousands, I see a common thread or two. One being the overwhelming presence of uncountable children!
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Again, then why allow so many to have such gruesome, painful ends? The five possibilities remain the only logical alternatives.

The ways of God are mysterious, for he is God. But he is JUST AND HOLY and wishes for NONE to perish.
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Then He should have designed a far more humane system of reality. That He didn't leads us inexorably back to the five possibilities.

He loves us all, as I love my own children. Even murders love their children and friends. How much GREATER then love of God for us?
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You are akin to the battered housewife, pleading with the police not to take her husband away, because she 'had it coming.' You justify God's responsibility in causing unjustified suffering to many, many innocents. By definition, there is no rational way to refute your irrational position.
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No. God allows suffering because this life doesn't matter. It is to be used in service to him. Many afflictions are due to the sins of others who ruin our planet. They create distrust, further distancing them from God and his healing. Lepers existed when Jesus was alive. Was that his doing. Do not ascribe suffering to God when you have no idea what suffering is about.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



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No. God allows suffering because this life doesn't matter. It is to be used in service to him. Many afflictions are due to the sins of others who ruin our planet. They create distrust, further distancing them from God and his healing. Lepers existed when Jesus was alive. Was that his doing. Do not ascribe suffering to God when you have no idea what suffering is about.
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I have no choice but to ascribe suffering to God, as He is the grand designer. And *They* do not create the distrust, *God* creates the distrust. He is the arbiter of *Reality.* His is the *ultimate* responsibility.

As I pointed out before: Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Therefore, since No Alleviation of such Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.

If you have a *logical* alternative, please describe it.

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So....I form of roses. Changing from one organism to another explains all evolution? Nay. That is micro evolution. I'm taking about the half one animal, half another fossils or evidence yet to be found using the evolutionists basic premise: that time is the equaliser to allow for chance mutations.

Problem is, there is no such thing as chance. It is a human invention. Ill prove it. We flip a coin 100 times. "Chance" tells 50 will be heads, 50 will be tails, or very close, to spare you the math. But oh, there are two philosophical and spiritual truths ignored. If you knew exactly the right about of force to apply, the wind, distance to the palm and the weight of the object, you could make it land on heads every time.

Now for the spiritual effect: take that same coin and flip it 100 times, each time thinking only and I mean ONLY heads EACH FLIP. give me an honest run, and I will show you a wonder...

Chance was invented by MEN to take you from the POWER in you!
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the process of flowers ....the process....you are using to much mind power for something that needs not much to understand...
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Being gay is not evoulution. Its an abomonation to God and so to me. Period.
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flowers are nothing but STRAIGHT!...

exactly that's why the other mindset is abominable.

our being is not for evolution...it's meta-
for metamorphosis
you do understand what is growing inside you?...saint

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Gotcha. Sometimes people love their thinly veiled traps. I'm ever on guard. Too much so, it seems. Agree with you.
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Someone, anyone, please, reconcile entropy with evolution (s = k log w).
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No. God allows suffering because this life doesn't matter. It is to be used in service to him. Many afflictions are due to the sins of others who ruin our planet. They create distrust, further distancing them from God and his healing. Lepers existed when Jesus was alive. Was that his doing. Do not ascribe suffering to God when you have no idea what suffering is about.
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I have no choice but to ascribe suffering to God, as He is the grand designer. And *They* do not create the distrust, *God* creates the distrust. He is the arbiter of *Reality.* His is the *ultimate* responsibility.

As I pointed out before: Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Therefore, since No Alleviation of such Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.

If you have a *logical* alternative, please describe it.
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You need to read Job if you presume to know the mind of God or to be able to rebuke him in your created mind.
He who has the Son has life. He who has not the Son of God has not life. 1John 5:12
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No. God allows suffering because this life doesn't matter. It is to be used in service to him. Many afflictions are due to the sins of others who ruin our planet. They create distrust, further distancing them from God and his healing. Lepers existed when Jesus was alive. Was that his doing. Do not ascribe suffering to God when you have no idea what suffering is about.
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I have no choice but to ascribe suffering to God, as He is the grand designer. And *They* do not create the distrust, *God* creates the distrust. He is the arbiter of *Reality.* His is the *ultimate* responsibility.

As I pointed out before: Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Therefore, since No Alleviation of such Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.

If you have a *logical* alternative, please describe it.
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You need to read Job if you presume to know the mind of God or to be able to rebuke him in your created mind.
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Your reference to scripture is admirable, but goes more toward supporting my position than undermining it. God's numerous trials of Job, for no other reason than to prove a point to Lucifer (rather than just telling him to go screw himself) fully demonstrate an evil nature. Again, as the arbiter and designer of reality, His ultimate and total responsibility cannot be denied -- for Lucifer as well, as it happens.

So, in the five possibilities, I can only conclude you'd tend toward #2.
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Gotcha. Sometimes people love their thinly veiled traps. I'm ever on guard. Too much so, it seems. Agree with you.
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So should I conclude you are no longer willing to converse with me?
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Because referring to oneself in third person is totally living out the word of god eh?
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lol. "i don't believe in the theory of evolution"

truth and facts and science doesn't require your belief. that's what's so great about truth and facts and science. feel free not to believe in the theory of geometry and the theory of gravity, and the theory of relativity, and the theory of computation, etc. they are what they are and forever will be.

now, what DOES require belief? ogres and unicorns and leprechauns and invisible sky magicians. that's why you're called a BELIEVER and not a KNOWER.

what's neat is if our planet was somehow purged of all humans and gained knowledge, given enough time, we would discover the theories listed above all over again. i'm confident though that there would be all NEW religions made because that's just how fairy tales go.

stupid religitards.
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No. God allows suffering because this life doesn't matter. It is to be used in service to him. Many afflictions are due to the sins of others who ruin our planet. They create distrust, further distancing them from God and his healing. Lepers existed when Jesus was alive. Was that his doing. Do not ascribe suffering to God when you have no idea what suffering is about.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


I have no choice but to ascribe suffering to God, as He is the grand designer. And *They* do not create the distrust, *God* creates the distrust. He is the arbiter of *Reality.* His is the *ultimate* responsibility.

As I pointed out before: Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Therefore, since No Alleviation of such Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.

If you have a *logical* alternative, please describe it.
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You need to read Job if you presume to know the mind of God or to be able to rebuke him in your created mind.
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yeah, job is a great example to where "god" is an evil bastard and a great story as to why not a single person should worship such a deity. "hey satan, let's make a bet between you and i about this dude. i'll let you kill his family and tortue him"

funny thing is that the job story is the only example in the bible where satan is given power by god to kill people. i think satan in the bible killed like 10 people. yet god killed millions/billions? but hey, let's worship him anyways!
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No. God allows suffering because this life doesn't matter. It is to be used in service to him. Many afflictions are due to the sins of others who ruin our planet. They create distrust, further distancing them from God and his healing. Lepers existed when Jesus was alive. Was that his doing. Do not ascribe suffering to God when you have no idea what suffering is about.
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I have no choice but to ascribe suffering to God, as He is the grand designer. And *They* do not create the distrust, *God* creates the distrust. He is the arbiter of *Reality.* His is the *ultimate* responsibility.

As I pointed out before: Perhaps imagine a Heaven and a Hell--dream up a reward and punishment that will somehow magically balance the books, so to write? The problem remains the extent and severity of the suffering. If die she must, far quicker and less-severe methods do end a tyke's existence. Forced listening of country-western music, for example. Children do, unfortunately, ask what the did wrong to be punished by such a condition. What "reward" balances it? Is it greater than that obtained by children who die of leukemia, car accidents, and falling masonry? Why? Furthermore, that one imagines a Mengele horribly tortured throughout eternity--something involving fish hooks and Patsy Cline--does not justify the extensive and severe suffering of the child. Finally, if some grand argumentum ad ignorantiam of a "reward" exists, why do not the children who die of the less-horrible leukemia and steam rollers deserve it?

Therefore, since No Alleviation of such Unjustified Suffering occurred, we are left with Five Possible Choices regarding deities:

1. No Deity Exists
2. A Deity Exists and He is Evil
3. A Deity Exists and He is Incompetent
4. A Deity Exists and He is Irrelevant
5. A Deity Exists and He is Some Combination of 2-4

All are, of course, free to choose from any one of the five.

If you have a *logical* alternative, please describe it.
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You need to read Job if you presume to know the mind of God or to be able to rebuke him in your created mind.
 Quoting: Donkey Jaw


yeah, job is a great example to where "god" is an evil bastard and a great story as to why not a single person should worship such a deity. "hey satan, let's make a bet between you and i about this dude. i'll let you kill his family and tortue him"

funny thing is that the job story is the only example in the bible where satan is given power by god to kill people. i think satan in the bible killed like 10 people. yet god killed millions/billions? but hey, let's worship him anyways!
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How did Job end, pray tell? How do you think the wise man Job was, upon his physcial death, and, seeing through immortal eyes, felt then about his Divinely Appointed example to influence the lives of billions of others for the will of his Loving Almighty God? The wise man would have humbled himself and thanked God for the honor of using him for good and the fruition of his will.

Food for thought.

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“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29





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