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Newton's Own destroys forever the theory of evolution. Ask me a question evolution adhearants

 
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why do birds clearly have reptilian feet? with scales and claws? even around their eyes they still retain reptilian qualities.
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chicken feet:
[link to www.photo-dictionary.com]

komodo dragon foot:
[link to thumb7.shutterstock.com]


not hard to see that scales evolved into feathers... birds are clearly showing that evolution is real as they retain some of their old reptilian parts in their feet

evolution can co-exist along side spirituality / religion
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I have never seen a bird with salamander feet.
I have never seen a bird with crockodile feet.
I have never seen a bird with komodo dragon feet.

If those two pics of feet look like they came from the same animal, you need glases.
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why do birds clearly have reptilian feet? with scales and claws? even around their eyes they still retain reptilian qualities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35193474


chicken feet:
[link to www.photo-dictionary.com]

komodo dragon foot:
[link to thumb7.shutterstock.com]


not hard to see that scales evolved into feathers... birds are clearly showing that evolution is real as they retain some of their old reptilian parts in their feet

evolution can co-exist along side spirituality / religion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35193474


I have never seen a bird with salamander feet.
I have never seen a bird with crockodile feet.
I have never seen a bird with komodo dragon feet.

If those two pics of feet look like they came from the same animal, you need glases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129


Birds clearly have bird feet.
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Re: Newton's Own destroys forever the theory of evolution. Ask me a question evolution adhearants
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Repeating a false claim does not make it true. No matter how many times you repeat it.

Likewise, repeatedly claiming a case is closed does not make that so, either.

Now, are you going to address my Pontine Tumor proof, or continue to merely handwave it away?
 Quoting: 74444

You are missing the whole point. Only through a biblical lens can these things be understood to a full and lasting peace.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

An ASSertion just as unevidenced as PUNISHER's "The Earth is flat!!11!OMG11!!" bullshit.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

You resort to semantics for your argument because you have no EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION!
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Unevidenced ASSertion.

The entire universe, galaxy and our intricately balanced Earth ecosystem SCREAM intelligent design by a divine CREATOR. God Almighty!
 Quoting: Newton's Own

And another one.

WTF is wrong with you?
book
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Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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Therapsids. Look 'em up, OP.

There's your proof.
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I don't believe in evolution, but, I go to the city and see animals walking upright everywhere. They generally have a dimwitted look on their faces, mouth open, and throw garbage on the ground a foot away from a trash receptacle, hit into others with shopping carts and generally have some mad cow brain wasted look on their faces.

The same live like animals, have the morals of an alley cat, lie, cheat, and steal. And just like the wild animals, don't work but like to fight. Some are lone wolves, some run in packs like mangy coyotes.

Explain this to me.
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What many Christians do not understand about the bible is it speaks of three distinct ages , the first earth and heaven age is when Satan rose up in rebellion with 1/3 of the angels against God .

This is why in the bible Genesis 1:1 speaks of I the beginning God created the heavens and the earth . That's a complete statement and the Hebrew word for created denotes completion in totality .

Genesis 1:2 speaks of the earth being destroyed , and the earth was void and without form and darkness was upon the deep . The word was is a bad translation , it is the he rew word Hayah , Strongs 1961 and it means to become . So the earth became void and without form and a great flood was upon it .

The rest of genesis 1 speaks of God recreating the earth and setting stars in the sky for signs .

Well anyway the reason we see so many two legged animals today and so much evil is because those were the same assholes that followed Satan in his rebellion in the 1 st earth age and they will be here when Satan is cast down again soon . We are currently ink the second earth age which will come to a close after the millenium and that will begin the final third earth and heaven age .
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I don't believe in evolution, but, I go to the city and see animals walking upright everywhere. They generally have a dimwitted look on their faces, mouth open, and throw garbage on the ground a foot away from a trash receptacle, hit into others with shopping carts and generally have some mad cow brain wasted look on their faces.

The same live like animals, have the morals of an alley cat, lie, cheat, and steal. And just like the wild animals, don't work but like to fight. Some are lone wolves, some run in packs like mangy coyotes.

Explain this to me.
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What many Christians do not understand about the bible is it speaks of three distinct ages , the first earth and heaven age is when Satan rose up in rebellion with 1/3 of the angels against God .

This is why in the bible Genesis 1:1 speaks of I the beginning God created the heavens and the earth . That's a complete statement and the Hebrew word for created denotes completion in totality .

Genesis 1:2 speaks of the earth being destroyed , and the earth was void and without form and darkness was upon the deep . The word was is a bad translation , it is the he rew word Hayah , Strongs 1961 and it means to become . So the earth became void and without form and a great flood was upon it .

The rest of genesis 1 speaks of God recreating the earth and setting stars in the sky for signs .

Well anyway the reason we see so many two legged animals today and so much evil is because those were the same assholes that followed Satan in his rebellion in the 1 st earth age and they will be here when Satan is cast down again soon . We are currently ink the second earth age which will come to a close after the millenium and that will begin the final third earth and heaven age .
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Yes! Another awakening one!

God bless you, in Jesus' name.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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You are missing the whole point. Only through a biblical lens can these things be understood to a full and lasting peace.
 Quoting: Newton's Own

An ASSertion just as unevidenced as PUNISHER's "The Earth is flat!!11!OMG11!!" bullshit.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

You resort to semantics for your argument because you have no EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION!
 Quoting: Newton's Own

Unevidenced ASSertion.

The entire universe, galaxy and our intricately balanced Earth ecosystem SCREAM intelligent design by a divine CREATOR. God Almighty!
 Quoting: Newton's Own

And another one.

WTF is wrong with you?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Not even the brightest light can make a blind man see.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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Therapsids. Look 'em up, OP.

There's your proof.
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By the way, I see you've quoted Nikola Tesla. You know he'd laugh at your thread, yes?
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Re: Newton's Own destroys forever the theory of evolution. Ask me a question evolution adhearants
Big Bang and Macro Evolution theory was created by Satan. Dawkins/Nye/all others supporting these theories are merely pawns being used by Satan. Satan wants you to believe that you came from primordial goo and not from your Heavenly Creator.

Besides, both theories were destroyed long ago...

[link to thetruthwins.com]

Nobody has ever observed macroevolution take place in the laboratory or in nature.  In other words, nobody has ever observed one kind of creature turn into another kind of creature.  The entire theory of evolution is based on blind faith.

- If “evolution” was happening right now, there would be millions of creatures out there with partially developed features and organs.  But instead there are none.

-  If the theory of evolution was true, we should not see a sudden explosion of fully formed complex life in the fossil record. Instead, that is precisely what we find.

- How did life learn to reproduce itself?  This is a question that evolutionists do not have an answer for.

-Anything that we dig up that is supposedly more than 250,000 years old should have absolutely no radiocarbon in it whatsoever.  But instead, we find it in everything that we dig up – even dinosaur bones.  This is clear evidence that the “millions of years” theory is simply a bunch of nonsense…

-According to evolutionists, the Ancient Greenling Damselfly last showed up in the fossil record about 300 million years ago.  But it still exists today.  So why hasn’t it evolved at all over the time frame?

-If the neutron were not about 1.001 times the mass of the proton, all protons would have decayed into neutrons or all neutrons would have decayed into protons, and therefore life would not be possible. How can we account for this?

- If gravity was stronger or weaker by the slimmest of margins, then life sustaining stars like the sun could not exist. This would also make life impossible. How can we account for this?

-The sudden appearance of complex life in the fossil record is so undeniable that even Richard Dawkins has been forced to admit it…“It is as though they [fossils] were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Both schools of thought (Punctuationists and Gradualists) despise so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record. The only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation and both reject this alternative.”
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- In order to believe the theory of evolution, you must have enough blind faith to believe that life just popped into existence from nonlife, and that such life just happened to have the ability to take in the nourishment it needed, to expel waste, and to reproduce itself, all the while having everything it needed to survive in the environment in which it suddenly found itself. Do you have that much blind faith?

- If dinosaurs really are tens of millions of years old, why have scientists found dinosaur bones with soft tissue still in them?  The following is from an NBC News report about one of these discoveries…"For more than a century, the study of dinosaurs has been limited to fossilized bones. Now, researchers have recovered 70 million-year-old soft tissue, including what may be blood vessels and cells, from a Tyrannosaurus rex."

-Which evolved first: the windpipe, the lungs, or the ability of the body to use oxygen?

- Which evolved first: the bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or the muscles to move the bones?

- In order for blood to clot, more than 20 complex steps need to successfully be completed. How in the world did that process possibly evolve?

- DNA is so incredibly complex that it is absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself by accident…When it comes to storing massive amounts of information, nothing comes close to the efficiency of DNA. A single strand of DNA is thousands of times thinner than a strand of human hair. One pinhead of DNA could hold enough information to fill a stack of books stretching from the earth to the moon 500 times.Although DNA is wound into tight coils, your cells can quickly access, copy, and translate the information stored in DNA. DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. Only about one mistake slips through for every 10 billion nucleotides that are copied.
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[link to rationalwiki.org]

Branches of science you have to ignore to believe in creationism
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Therapsids. Look 'em up, OP.

There's your proof.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


By the way, I see you've quoted Nikola Tesla. You know he'd laugh at your thread, yes?
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


He would love it, believe me. He was constrained by his time.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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EVOLUTION AS DOCTRINE AND RELIGION HAS BEEN DESTROYED!

It just happens to be the religion of choice to remove God, fitting the elitest agenda. Nothing more.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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Therapsids. Look 'em up, OP.

There's your proof.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


By the way, I see you've quoted Nikola Tesla. You know he'd laugh at your thread, yes?
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


He would love it, believe me. He was constrained by his time.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Meaning he wasn't as advanced in his understanding of human development as you are??

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Big Bang and Macro Evolution theory was created by Satan. Dawkins/Nye/all others supporting these theories are merely pawns being used by Satan. Satan wants you to believe that you came from primordial goo and not from your Heavenly Creator.

Besides, both theories were destroyed long ago...

[link to thetruthwins.com]

Nobody has ever observed macroevolution take place in the laboratory or in nature.  In other words, nobody has ever observed one kind of creature turn into another kind of creature.  The entire theory of evolution is based on blind faith.

- If “evolution” was happening right now, there would be millions of creatures out there with partially developed features and organs.  But instead there are none.

-  If the theory of evolution was true, we should not see a sudden explosion of fully formed complex life in the fossil record. Instead, that is precisely what we find.

- How did life learn to reproduce itself?  This is a question that evolutionists do not have an answer for.

-Anything that we dig up that is supposedly more than 250,000 years old should have absolutely no radiocarbon in it whatsoever.  But instead, we find it in everything that we dig up – even dinosaur bones.  This is clear evidence that the “millions of years” theory is simply a bunch of nonsense…

-According to evolutionists, the Ancient Greenling Damselfly last showed up in the fossil record about 300 million years ago.  But it still exists today.  So why hasn’t it evolved at all over the time frame?

-If the neutron were not about 1.001 times the mass of the proton, all protons would have decayed into neutrons or all neutrons would have decayed into protons, and therefore life would not be possible. How can we account for this?

- If gravity was stronger or weaker by the slimmest of margins, then life sustaining stars like the sun could not exist. This would also make life impossible. How can we account for this?

-The sudden appearance of complex life in the fossil record is so undeniable that even Richard Dawkins has been forced to admit it…“It is as though they [fossils] were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Both schools of thought (Punctuationists and Gradualists) despise so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record. The only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation and both reject this alternative.”
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- In order to believe the theory of evolution, you must have enough blind faith to believe that life just popped into existence from nonlife, and that such life just happened to have the ability to take in the nourishment it needed, to expel waste, and to reproduce itself, all the while having everything it needed to survive in the environment in which it suddenly found itself. Do you have that much blind faith?

- If dinosaurs really are tens of millions of years old, why have scientists found dinosaur bones with soft tissue still in them?  The following is from an NBC News report about one of these discoveries…"For more than a century, the study of dinosaurs has been limited to fossilized bones. Now, researchers have recovered 70 million-year-old soft tissue, including what may be blood vessels and cells, from a Tyrannosaurus rex."

-Which evolved first: the windpipe, the lungs, or the ability of the body to use oxygen?

- Which evolved first: the bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or the muscles to move the bones?

- In order for blood to clot, more than 20 complex steps need to successfully be completed. How in the world did that process possibly evolve?

- DNA is so incredibly complex that it is absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself by accident…When it comes to storing massive amounts of information, nothing comes close to the efficiency of DNA. A single strand of DNA is thousands of times thinner than a strand of human hair. One pinhead of DNA could hold enough information to fill a stack of books stretching from the earth to the moon 500 times.Although DNA is wound into tight coils, your cells can quickly access, copy, and translate the information stored in DNA. DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. Only about one mistake slips through for every 10 billion nucleotides that are copied.
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And there it is, plain fact. God has blessed you brother. I was getting around to the genetics. It was my coup-de-grais. I don't blame you though! Well said and God Bless You Richly, through his Son Jesus Christ!
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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Therapsids. Look 'em up, OP.

There's your proof.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


By the way, I see you've quoted Nikola Tesla. You know he'd laugh at your thread, yes?
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


He would love it, believe me. He was constrained by his time.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Meaning he wasn't as advanced in his understanding of human development as you are??

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yousuck:
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No. I said he was constrained by his time. Can you imagine the impact this would have made? The ensuing chaos? This was meant for the END TIMES! I'm nowhere near as smart as him, and he was wise to keep these to himself, as did David. The time was not yet.

It is time.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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[link to rationalwiki.org]

Branches of science you have to ignore to believe in creationism
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All intelligently designed systems have functional elements with fixed parameters that must remain fixed for proper function and system stability, because if they are changed, (evolve) the system will become unstable and crash. Every engineer and PC programmer understands the need for fixed elements in their intelligently designed systems. Very few engineers, that also understand biological systems, believe in abiogenesis or Darwinian evolution because they understand the cells have scores of functional fixed (conserved) elements, and they also understand it is impossible to change a parameter that needs to remain fixed for the system to remain stable, without crashing the system. Stable function for any system can never take place without functional fixed (can not evolve) elements firmly established

The universe has these functional fixed elements with the 34 constants. If these 34 finely tuned parameters were to change, the system would become unstable and life would cease to exist. Many physicists are forced to have blind faith in the unfalsifiable, non-verifiable multiverse hypothesis to explain the functional fixed constants because evolving these constants into place is theoretically impossible. Without the multiverse hypothesis, any origins of the universe theories require blind non-cognitive mechanisms to move the constants into place, while simultaneously disengaging them from those mechanisms to prevent further evolutionary changes once they become functional.

And the amusing part of it is, evolutionary science rejects God, thus intelligent design, on the basis he is "unfalsifiable", but then they are forced by intelligent designs main argument for design (the teleological argument) to accept the equally unfalsifiable multiverse hypothesis just to explain the fine tuning problem. Its quite ironic.

Moreover the genome is filled with highly conserved functional elements, that if changed, will cause the biological system to become unstable. We know of the 50 billion proteins (and counting) in life, they all have extremely precise parameters for proper folding & function. If these precise parameters are changed, proper protein function will cease and problems soon arise in the organism. Herein lies the fatal dilemma for abiogenesis and Darwinian evolution, 100% of the biological system must slowly evolve, thus precise fixed elements are impossible to establish.This is why naturalists have no choice but to jump over the origins of life, because the cell has scores of highly conserved functional elements that can not be explained by gradual continual random changes. Any evolutionary mechanism with the ability to create a functional arrangement of sequences, also , because its blind, has the ability to destroy that same functional arrangement of sequences.

All species have ultra-conserved elements (UCE) in their DNA & RNA. The UCE are the functional fixed elements that are needed to keep the system stable and running. Functional UCE are death nails in evolutionary theory because any DNA sequence that is not subject to the mechanisms proposed for DNA sequence change has no natural way to get arranged into that sequence in the first place. The theory must provide the mechanisms for change in the UCE and then provide the mechanisms for the UCE to be frozen (as luck would have it) in a functional state, No such mechanisms can be demonstrated. Selection of the luckiest randomness is not a valid theory.

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It's becoming clear that people who do not accept evolution as a reality are people who do not have any understanding of the process by which it occurs.

You keep saying, "Organisms don't just change into other organisms."

And you're right. They don't. That is not how evolution works.

When an organism undergoes a genetic mutation (this happens randomly and it happens all the time) that organism is by definition genetically different than its predecessors. If said mutation proves to be advantageous to that organism's survival, then it is able to outlive its predecessors and pass along its mutation to its offspring. Thus a new genetic type emerges and spreads. Now all these offspring which have retained this mutation can go and procreate and spread the gene even further. The longer this goes on, the more pronounced and defined the mutation becomes until it is no longer considered a mutation and can be regarded as a new species. This is in fact necessary to prevent inbreeding.

You must realize that this has been going on at the most basic cellular level since the beginning of carbon based life. It is why we have nucleic DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Originally a mitochondria was a seperate cell with a life of its own. It was eventually incorporated into eukaryotic cells which developed a symbiotic relationship with the mitochondria and allowed them to benefit from mitochondrial energy production. To this day we still have mitochondrial DNA separate from our cell nuclei. There is no way to explain this beyond genetic mutation and evolution,
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It's becoming clear that people who do not accept evolution as a reality are people who do not have any understanding of the process by which it occurs.

You keep saying, "Organisms don't just change into other organisms."

And you're right. They don't. That is not how evolution works.

When an organism undergoes a genetic mutation (this happens randomly and it happens all the time) that organism is by definition genetically different than its predecessors. If said mutation proves to be advantageous to that organism's survival, then it is able to outlive its predecessors and pass along its mutation to its offspring. Thus a new genetic type emerges and spreads. Now all these offspring which have retained this mutation can go and procreate and spread the gene even further. The longer this goes on, the more pronounced and defined the mutation becomes until it is no longer considered a mutation and can be regarded as a new species. This is in fact necessary to prevent inbreeding.

You must realize that this has been going on at the most basic cellular level since the beginning of carbon based life. It is why we have nucleic DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Originally a mitochondria was a seperate cell with a life of its own. It was eventually incorporated into eukaryotic cells which developed a symbiotic relationship with the mitochondria and allowed them to benefit from mitochondrial energy production. To this day we still have mitochondrial DNA separate from our cell nuclei. There is no way to explain this beyond genetic mutation and evolution,
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There were are all the half mutated animals and people?
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It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



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It's becoming clear that people who do not accept evolution as a reality are people who do not have any understanding of the process by which it occurs.

You keep saying, "Organisms don't just change into other organisms."

And you're right. They don't. That is not how evolution works.

When an organism undergoes a genetic mutation (this happens randomly and it happens all the time) that organism is by definition genetically different than its predecessors. If said mutation proves to be advantageous to that organism's survival, then it is able to outlive its predecessors and pass along its mutation to its offspring. Thus a new genetic type emerges and spreads. Now all these offspring which have retained this mutation can go and procreate and spread the gene even further. The longer this goes on, the more pronounced and defined the mutation becomes until it is no longer considered a mutation and can be regarded as a new species. This is in fact necessary to prevent inbreeding.

You must realize that this has been going on at the most basic cellular level since the beginning of carbon based life. It is why we have nucleic DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Originally a mitochondria was a seperate cell with a life of its own. It was eventually incorporated into eukaryotic cells which developed a symbiotic relationship with the mitochondria and allowed them to benefit from mitochondrial energy production. To this day we still have mitochondrial DNA separate from our cell nuclei. There is no way to explain this beyond genetic mutation and evolution,
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There were are all the half mutated animals and people?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


You're talking to one. I was born with 6 fingers on my left hand. This mutation serves no purpose. But if it did, my offspring would outcompete yours and contribute to the evolution of humans.
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Branches of science you have to ignore to believe in creationism
 Quoting: Cavaignac


All intelligently designed systems have functional elements with fixed parameters that must remain fixed for proper function and system stability, because if they are changed, (evolve) the system will become unstable and crash. Every engineer and PC programmer understands the need for fixed elements in their intelligently designed systems. Very few engineers, that also understand biological systems, believe in abiogenesis or Darwinian evolution because they understand the cells have scores of functional fixed (conserved) elements, and they also understand it is impossible to change a parameter that needs to remain fixed for the system to remain stable, without crashing the system. Stable function for any system can never take place without functional fixed (can not evolve) elements firmly established

The universe has these functional fixed elements with the 34 constants. If these 34 finely tuned parameters were to change, the system would become unstable and life would cease to exist. Many physicists are forced to have blind faith in the unfalsifiable, non-verifiable multiverse hypothesis to explain the functional fixed constants because evolving these constants into place is theoretically impossible. Without the multiverse hypothesis, any origins of the universe theories require blind non-cognitive mechanisms to move the constants into place, while simultaneously disengaging them from those mechanisms to prevent further evolutionary changes once they become functional.

And the amusing part of it is, evolutionary science rejects God, thus intelligent design, on the basis he is "unfalsifiable", but then they are forced by intelligent designs main argument for design (the teleological argument) to accept the equally unfalsifiable multiverse hypothesis just to explain the fine tuning problem. Its quite ironic.

Moreover the genome is filled with highly conserved functional elements, that if changed, will cause the biological system to become unstable. We know of the 50 billion proteins (and counting) in life, they all have extremely precise parameters for proper folding & function. If these precise parameters are changed, proper protein function will cease and problems soon arise in the organism. Herein lies the fatal dilemma for abiogenesis and Darwinian evolution, 100% of the biological system must slowly evolve, thus precise fixed elements are impossible to establish.This is why naturalists have no choice but to jump over the origins of life, because the cell has scores of highly conserved functional elements that can not be explained by gradual continual random changes. Any evolutionary mechanism with the ability to create a functional arrangement of sequences, also , because its blind, has the ability to destroy that same functional arrangement of sequences.

All species have ultra-conserved elements (UCE) in their DNA & RNA. The UCE are the functional fixed elements that are needed to keep the system stable and running. Functional UCE are death nails in evolutionary theory because any DNA sequence that is not subject to the mechanisms proposed for DNA sequence change has no natural way to get arranged into that sequence in the first place. The theory must provide the mechanisms for change in the UCE and then provide the mechanisms for the UCE to be frozen (as luck would have it) in a functional state, No such mechanisms can be demonstrated. Selection of the luckiest randomness is not a valid theory.

[link to idscience.hubpages.com]
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Soon, evolutionists will realize they have been beating their theory to death with a already proven one all along. God is MIGHTY!
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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Big Bang and Macro Evolution theory was created by Satan. Dawkins/Nye/all others supporting these theories are merely pawns being used by Satan. Satan wants you to believe that you came from primordial goo and not from your Heavenly Creator.

Besides, both theories were destroyed long ago...

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Nobody has ever observed macroevolution take place in the laboratory or in nature.  In other words, nobody has ever observed one kind of creature turn into another kind of creature.  The entire theory of evolution is based on blind faith.

- If “evolution” was happening right now, there would be millions of creatures out there with partially developed features and organs.  But instead there are none.

-  If the theory of evolution was true, we should not see a sudden explosion of fully formed complex life in the fossil record. Instead, that is precisely what we find.

- How did life learn to reproduce itself?  This is a question that evolutionists do not have an answer for.

-Anything that we dig up that is supposedly more than 250,000 years old should have absolutely no radiocarbon in it whatsoever.  But instead, we find it in everything that we dig up – even dinosaur bones.  This is clear evidence that the “millions of years” theory is simply a bunch of nonsense…

-According to evolutionists, the Ancient Greenling Damselfly last showed up in the fossil record about 300 million years ago.  But it still exists today.  So why hasn’t it evolved at all over the time frame?

-If the neutron were not about 1.001 times the mass of the proton, all protons would have decayed into neutrons or all neutrons would have decayed into protons, and therefore life would not be possible. How can we account for this?

- If gravity was stronger or weaker by the slimmest of margins, then life sustaining stars like the sun could not exist. This would also make life impossible. How can we account for this?

-The sudden appearance of complex life in the fossil record is so undeniable that even Richard Dawkins has been forced to admit it…“It is as though they [fossils] were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Both schools of thought (Punctuationists and Gradualists) despise so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record. The only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation and both reject this alternative.”
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- In order to believe the theory of evolution, you must have enough blind faith to believe that life just popped into existence from nonlife, and that such life just happened to have the ability to take in the nourishment it needed, to expel waste, and to reproduce itself, all the while having everything it needed to survive in the environment in which it suddenly found itself. Do you have that much blind faith?

- If dinosaurs really are tens of millions of years old, why have scientists found dinosaur bones with soft tissue still in them?  The following is from an NBC News report about one of these discoveries…"For more than a century, the study of dinosaurs has been limited to fossilized bones. Now, researchers have recovered 70 million-year-old soft tissue, including what may be blood vessels and cells, from a Tyrannosaurus rex."

-Which evolved first: the windpipe, the lungs, or the ability of the body to use oxygen?

- Which evolved first: the bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or the muscles to move the bones?

- In order for blood to clot, more than 20 complex steps need to successfully be completed. How in the world did that process possibly evolve?

- DNA is so incredibly complex that it is absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself by accident…When it comes to storing massive amounts of information, nothing comes close to the efficiency of DNA. A single strand of DNA is thousands of times thinner than a strand of human hair. One pinhead of DNA could hold enough information to fill a stack of books stretching from the earth to the moon 500 times.Although DNA is wound into tight coils, your cells can quickly access, copy, and translate the information stored in DNA. DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. Only about one mistake slips through for every 10 billion nucleotides that are copied.
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And there it is, plain fact. God has blessed you brother. I was getting around to the genetics. It was my coup-de-grais. I don't blame you though! Well said and God Bless You Richly, through his Son Jesus Christ!
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Amen Brother! These evolutionists are blinded by Satan and denying the astoundingly complex work that our Heavenly Father has done and giving credit to exploding space rocks from 14 billion years ago instead. Have mercy on their souls...
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It's becoming clear that people who do not accept evolution as a reality are people who do not have any understanding of the process by which it occurs.

You keep saying, "Organisms don't just change into other organisms."

And you're right. They don't. That is not how evolution works.

When an organism undergoes a genetic mutation (this happens randomly and it happens all the time) that organism is by definition genetically different than its predecessors. If said mutation proves to be advantageous to that organism's survival, then it is able to outlive its predecessors and pass along its mutation to its offspring. Thus a new genetic type emerges and spreads. Now all these offspring which have retained this mutation can go and procreate and spread the gene even further. The longer this goes on, the more pronounced and defined the mutation becomes until it is no longer considered a mutation and can be regarded as a new species. This is in fact necessary to prevent inbreeding.

You must realize that this has been going on at the most basic cellular level since the beginning of carbon based life. It is why we have nucleic DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Originally a mitochondria was a seperate cell with a life of its own. It was eventually incorporated into eukaryotic cells which developed a symbiotic relationship with the mitochondria and allowed them to benefit from mitochondrial energy production. To this day we still have mitochondrial DNA separate from our cell nuclei. There is no way to explain this beyond genetic mutation and evolution,
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


There were are all the half mutated animals and people?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


You're talking to one. I was born with 6 fingers on my left hand. This mutation serves no purpose. But if it did, my offspring would outcompete yours and contribute to the evolution of humans.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Six fingers and toes, double dentition......introduced by the Nephelim. Fact. The genes are latent, not mutations.

Next.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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It's becoming clear that people who do not accept evolution as a reality are people who do not have any understanding of the process by which it occurs.

You keep saying, "Organisms don't just change into other organisms."

And you're right. They don't. That is not how evolution works.

When an organism undergoes a genetic mutation (this happens randomly and it happens all the time) that organism is by definition genetically different than its predecessors. If said mutation proves to be advantageous to that organism's survival, then it is able to outlive its predecessors and pass along its mutation to its offspring. Thus a new genetic type emerges and spreads. Now all these offspring which have retained this mutation can go and procreate and spread the gene even further. The longer this goes on, the more pronounced and defined the mutation becomes until it is no longer considered a mutation and can be regarded as a new species. This is in fact necessary to prevent inbreeding.

You must realize that this has been going on at the most basic cellular level since the beginning of carbon based life. It is why we have nucleic DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Originally a mitochondria was a seperate cell with a life of its own. It was eventually incorporated into eukaryotic cells which developed a symbiotic relationship with the mitochondria and allowed them to benefit from mitochondrial energy production. To this day we still have mitochondrial DNA separate from our cell nuclei. There is no way to explain this beyond genetic mutation and evolution,
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


There were are all the half mutated animals and people?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


You're talking to one. I was born with 6 fingers on my left hand. This mutation serves no purpose. But if it did, my offspring would outcompete yours and contribute to the evolution of humans.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Six fingers and toes, double dentition......introduced by the Nephelim. Fact. The genes are latent, not mutations.

Next.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Hahaha no. So you have no logical or scientific basis for any of this. Which we knew already. But it's still funny to see you repeating yourself saying, "Because an invisible man in the sky said so! That's my reasoning!"
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why do birds clearly have reptilian feet? with scales and claws? even around their eyes they still retain reptilian qualities.
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chicken feet:
[link to www.photo-dictionary.com]

komodo dragon foot:
[link to thumb7.shutterstock.com]


not hard to see that scales evolved into feathers... birds are clearly showing that evolution is real as they retain some of their old reptilian parts in their feet

evolution can co-exist along side spirituality / religion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35193474


I have never seen a bird with salamander feet.
I have never seen a bird with crockodile feet.
I have never seen a bird with komodo dragon feet.

If those two pics of feet look like they came from the same animal, you need glases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129


if you can't see the similarity in those feet then you're fooling yourself or possibly have some sort of inability to compare things... they both have scales, they both have claws, they both have horizontal scales on the tops of each digit... but here's the big one, they are both covered in scales...you know the kind that reptiles have.... are they an exact match, obviously not 100% exactly identical... but they are beyond extremely similar...

but you know what, I am starting to come around...this thread has proven to me that it's highly likely that evolution isn't real given all the unbelievably unevolved humans on this planet that can't believe their own eyes.. so you've done it!! you converted me... bravo!!!! Put one in the win column for the unevolved!!
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There were are all the half mutated animals and people?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


You're talking to one. I was born with 6 fingers on my left hand. This mutation serves no purpose. But if it did, my offspring would outcompete yours and contribute to the evolution of humans.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Six fingers and toes, double dentition......introduced by the Nephelim. Fact. The genes are latent, not mutations.

Next.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Hahaha no. So you have no logical or scientific basis for any of this. Which we knew already. But it's still funny to see you repeating yourself saying, "Because an invisible man in the sky said so! That's my reasoning!"
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


More archaeological evidence for the bible being accurate out weighs your....well....empty pile of evidence for evolution. Goliath was a giant. We have inscriptions of his pottery. Your evidence DOES NOT EXIST!

Mine DOES!
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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There were are all the half mutated animals and people?
 Quoting: Newton's Own


You're talking to one. I was born with 6 fingers on my left hand. This mutation serves no purpose. But if it did, my offspring would outcompete yours and contribute to the evolution of humans.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Six fingers and toes, double dentition......introduced by the Nephelim. Fact. The genes are latent, not mutations.

Next.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Hahaha no. So you have no logical or scientific basis for any of this. Which we knew already. But it's still funny to see you repeating yourself saying, "Because an invisible man in the sky said so! That's my reasoning!"
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Besides, having an extra finger is hardly "turning into another animal altogether", even using your demented logic. So either way, wrong again.

Next.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.”

Nikola Tesla

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects.

Nikola Tesla



If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:29
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why do birds clearly have reptilian feet? with scales and claws? even around their eyes they still retain reptilian qualities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35193474


chicken feet:
[link to www.photo-dictionary.com]

komodo dragon foot:
[link to thumb7.shutterstock.com]


not hard to see that scales evolved into feathers... birds are clearly showing that evolution is real as they retain some of their old reptilian parts in their feet

evolution can co-exist along side spirituality / religion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35193474


I have never seen a bird with salamander feet.
I have never seen a bird with crockodile feet.
I have never seen a bird with komodo dragon feet.

If those two pics of feet look like they came from the same animal, you need glases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129



you bible folks are so unbelievably literal it's saddening... you ever seen a human with monkey hands... no... but a monkey's hand and a human hand are very similar...four fingers, a thumb, lines on their palms, we even have some hair on the tops of our hands and fingers like monkeys do, not as much but it's there... pretty f-ing similar...

please tell me you don't have children and have downloaded your own inability to use reason and logic to some poor child
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You're talking to one. I was born with 6 fingers on my left hand. This mutation serves no purpose. But if it did, my offspring would outcompete yours and contribute to the evolution of humans.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Six fingers and toes, double dentition......introduced by the Nephelim. Fact. The genes are latent, not mutations.

Next.
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Hahaha no. So you have no logical or scientific basis for any of this. Which we knew already. But it's still funny to see you repeating yourself saying, "Because an invisible man in the sky said so! That's my reasoning!"
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


More archaeological evidence for the bible being accurate out weighs your....well....empty pile of evidence for evolution. Goliath was a giant. We have inscriptions of his pottery. Your evidence DOES NOT EXIST!

Mine DOES!
 Quoting: Newton's Own


Listen...you haven't brought any evidence to the table. No creationist ever has. By definition, you are relying on your faith over actual facts or reason. That's fine for you. But a attempting to prove anyone else wrong is literally impossible for you. If it helps you sleep at night, believe whatever you want. But you're better of not making yourself look like a fool by claiming you have "evidence."
- The Spider Kid
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It's becoming clear that people who do not accept evolution as a reality are people who do not have any understanding of the process by which it occurs.

You keep saying, "Organisms don't just change into other organisms."

And you're right. They don't. That is not how evolution works.

When an organism undergoes a genetic mutation (this happens randomly and it happens all the time) that organism is by definition genetically different than its predecessors. If said mutation proves to be advantageous to that organism's survival, then it is able to outlive its predecessors and pass along its mutation to its offspring. Thus a new genetic type emerges and spreads. Now all these offspring which have retained this mutation can go and procreate and spread the gene even further. The longer this goes on, the more pronounced and defined the mutation becomes until it is no longer considered a mutation and can be regarded as a new species. This is in fact necessary to prevent inbreeding.

You must realize that this has been going on at the most basic cellular level since the beginning of carbon based life. It is why we have nucleic DNA and mitochondrial DNA. Originally a mitochondria was a seperate cell with a life of its own. It was eventually incorporated into eukaryotic cells which developed a symbiotic relationship with the mitochondria and allowed them to benefit from mitochondrial energy production. To this day we still have mitochondrial DNA separate from our cell nuclei. There is no way to explain this beyond genetic mutation and evolution,
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)

- The Spider Kid





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