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If God is so good why doesn't he change satan and make him good. He doesn't even care about satan's wellbeing and allows people to get off on the idea that he should be tortured for eternity. He doesn't even treat his own son good. Maybe he created man, and is thus god, but that seems to be all he does. esoterically, satan is the one who will sit down and listen and help people for the better good, even if he doesn't want to, which is probably why god despises him so much.
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everyones gota play a part

So lets stop this old paradigm

why do humans keep thinking satan is someone real and is controlling humanity biggest coverup lies within this stories of ancient times
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But how can God get this point across to people who are born into the world with no knowledge or understanding? He could have preprogrammed us to behave only according to harmless predetermined instincts. But then we would be mere automatons, having no choices, no individuality, no character.

Such existence is not what God intends for us. He has created us to become members of His own family—His sons and daughters (2 Corinthians:6:18)—able to bear great responsibilities within His family.

At the beginning of human existence God stated His purpose for us: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis:1:26-27

).

God created mankind to be like Him, to rule—have dominion—over His creation. To learn to properly exercise such a level of responsibility, man must first learn how to discern right from wrong, good from bad, and the wise from the foolish. Learning real wisdom involves learning how to make wise choices. From the beginning God pointed out the right way, but He allowed human beings to be exposed to and make foolish choices.

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Maybe Satan is just an awkward speaker. Maybe he wants to help but can only truly speak in Flames.


…. does that make him an olive branch…. hmm
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But how can God get this point across to people who are born into the world with no knowledge or understanding? He could have preprogrammed us to behave only according to harmless predetermined instincts. But then we would be mere automatons, having no choices, no individuality, no character.

Such existence is not what God intends for us. He has created us to become members of His own family—His sons and daughters (2 Corinthians:6:18)—able to bear great responsibilities within His family.

At the beginning of human existence God stated His purpose for us: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis:1:26-27

).

God created mankind to be like Him, to rule—have dominion—over His creation. To learn to properly exercise such a level of responsibility, man must first learn how to discern right from wrong, good from bad, and the wise from the foolish. Learning real wisdom involves learning how to make wise choices. From the beginning God pointed out the right way, but He allowed human beings to be exposed to and make foolish choices.

[link to www.ucg.org]


hope this helps
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Even Satan acknowledges Gods divinity, however, as one of God's men, perhaps he is greater because he is the real creator of everything (including heaven) and he bothers to help people better themselves whereas God encourages evil behavior. God's only creation seems to be man and (thus) earth.

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The Adversary of humanity, not of God. The bad cop of God rather, the divine whip
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they are all the same person u nit wit

try and divide them and glorify one or the other its all the same......just a scitzo cult thats all
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The Adversary of humanity, not of God. The bad cop of God rather, the divine whip
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did you even read what I wrote? It's a false belief that satan is evil. It's a excuse god made so he could watch satan be tortured by humanity, even though satan showed that he loved humanity more. Maybe god is jealous.

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The Adversary of humanity, not of God. The bad cop of God rather, the divine whip
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did you even read what I wrote? It's a false belief that satan is evil. It's a excuse god made so he could watch satan be tortured by humanity, even though satan showed that he loved humanity more. Maybe god is jealous.
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Satan loving humanity, wow you are delusional. Just LOOK AROUND YOU, definitelly the Paradise. Moron!
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The Adversary of humanity, not of God. The bad cop of God rather, the divine whip
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did you even read what I wrote? It's a false belief that satan is evil. It's a excuse god made so he could watch satan be tortured by humanity, even though satan showed that he loved humanity more. Maybe god is jealous.
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Satan loving humanity, wow you are delusional. Just LOOK AROUND YOU, definitelly the Paradise. Moron!
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I know who satan is, and I assure you, it is not his doings he is powerless at the moment.
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The Adversary of humanity, not of God. The bad cop of God rather, the divine whip
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did you even read what I wrote? It's a false belief that satan is evil. It's a excuse god made so he could watch satan be tortured by humanity, even though satan showed that he loved humanity more. Maybe god is jealous.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Satan loving humanity, wow you are delusional. Just LOOK AROUND YOU, definitelly the Paradise. Moron!
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I know who satan is, and I assure you, it is not his doings he is powerless at the moment.
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Stop being delusional. And run, run to God !
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The Adversary of humanity, not of God. The bad cop of God rather, the divine whip
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did you even read what I wrote? It's a false belief that satan is evil. It's a excuse god made so he could watch satan be tortured by humanity, even though satan showed that he loved humanity more. Maybe god is jealous.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Satan loving humanity, wow you are delusional. Just LOOK AROUND YOU, definitelly the Paradise. Moron!
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I know who satan is, and I assure you, it is not his doings he is powerless at the moment.
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Maybe you should look and listen before you talk because you would notice that god has more influence than satan at present.
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did you even read what I wrote? It's a false belief that satan is evil. It's a excuse god made so he could watch satan be tortured by humanity, even though satan showed that he loved humanity more. Maybe god is jealous.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Satan loving humanity, wow you are delusional. Just LOOK AROUND YOU, definitelly the Paradise. Moron!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13404069


I know who satan is, and I assure you, it is not his doings he is powerless at the moment.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Maybe you should look and listen before you talk because you would notice that god has more influence than satan at present.
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There was not one span in history Satan was more powerful, or what-ever than his God. You ppl are too stupid even for religion.
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Satan loving humanity, wow you are delusional. Just LOOK AROUND YOU, definitelly the Paradise. Moron!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13404069


I know who satan is, and I assure you, it is not his doings he is powerless at the moment.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Maybe you should look and listen before you talk because you would notice that god has more influence than satan at present.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)



There was not one span in history Satan was more powerful, or what-ever than his God. You ppl are too stupid even for religion.
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Tell me, in whose opinion?
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I know who satan is, and I assure you, it is not his doings he is powerless at the moment.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Maybe you should look and listen before you talk because you would notice that god has more influence than satan at present.
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There was not one span in history Satan was more powerful, or what-ever than his God. You ppl are too stupid even for religion.
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Tell me, in whose opinion?
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Bible says so.
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Maybe you should look and listen before you talk because you would notice that god has more influence than satan at present.
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)



There was not one span in history Satan was more powerful, or what-ever than his God. You ppl are too stupid even for religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13404069


Tell me, in whose opinion?
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Bible says so.
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in whos opinion???

GOD CREATED GOOD AND EVIL. PEACE, AND CALAMITY. HE CREATED SATAN HIMSELF. HE CREATED SATAN WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

THE LORD HAS GROWN WEARY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO SAY "WHERE IS THE JUSTICE???" "WHY DOESNT GOD STOP THIS?"


You have wearied the Lord with your words. "How have we wearied him?" you ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the Lord, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?" —Malachi 2:17

GOD said his spirit would not put up with humans for so long, for they are only flesh and bone. You think hes happy right now? HE LOVES YOU!!! BUT HES NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU.


HE STRETCHED OUT HIS BARE HANDS TO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

PLEASE DONT COMPARE GOD TO SATAN< A CREATION OF GOD.
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Read the bible, god kills millions and satan only kills one person (after god commands him to kill him). Satan was cast down after god tried to change the constitution in heaven and satan tried to protect it. Remind me which one is the bad guy?
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There was not one span in history Satan was more powerful, or what-ever than his God. You ppl are too stupid even for religion.
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Tell me, in whose opinion?
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Bible says so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13404069

in whos opinion???

GOD CREATED GOOD AND EVIL. PEACE, AND CALAMITY. HE CREATED SATAN HIMSELF. HE CREATED SATAN WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

THE LORD HAS GROWN WEARY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO SAY "WHERE IS THE JUSTICE???" "WHY DOESNT GOD STOP THIS?"


You have wearied the Lord with your words. "How have we wearied him?" you ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the Lord, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?" —Malachi 2:17

GOD said his spirit would not put up with humans for so long, for they are only flesh and bone. You think hes happy right now? HE LOVES YOU!!! BUT HES NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU.


HE STRETCHED OUT HIS BARE HANDS TO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

PLEASE DONT COMPARE GOD TO SATAN< A CREATION OF GOD.
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No. God did not make the heavens, satan did. Nowhere in the bible does it say god made space and the heavens. It was dark in the beginning, because god had finally silenced and killed satan and everyone else, which was his purpose. You can even go as far to say that god is just the big bang because satans power became too great for satan to control.

And I don't hassel god about why he doesn't care about satan. However, unlike god, i am human enough to care for satan's wellbeing.
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Tell me, in whose opinion?
 Quoting: Nick Nailher (Eissak)


Bible says so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13404069

in whos opinion???

GOD CREATED GOOD AND EVIL. PEACE, AND CALAMITY. HE CREATED SATAN HIMSELF. HE CREATED SATAN WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

THE LORD HAS GROWN WEARY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO SAY "WHERE IS THE JUSTICE???" "WHY DOESNT GOD STOP THIS?"


You have wearied the Lord with your words. "How have we wearied him?" you ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the Lord, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?" —Malachi 2:17

GOD said his spirit would not put up with humans for so long, for they are only flesh and bone. You think hes happy right now? HE LOVES YOU!!! BUT HES NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU.


HE STRETCHED OUT HIS BARE HANDS TO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

PLEASE DONT COMPARE GOD TO SATAN< A CREATION OF GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60055197


No. God did not make the heavens, satan did. Nowhere in the bible does it say god made space and the heavens. It was dark in the beginning, because god had finally silenced and killed satan and everyone else, which was his purpose. You can even go as far to say that god is just the big bang because satans power became too great for satan to control.

And I don't hassel god about why he doesn't care about satan. However, unlike god, i am human enough to care for satan's wellbeing.
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You sir, are lost.
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Read the bible, god kills millions and satan only kills one person (after god commands him to kill him). Satan was cast down after god tried to change the constitution in heaven and satan tried to protect it. Remind me which one is the bad guy?
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Wrong. Satan kills the whole lot of Job's family. Read the book of Job in the OT.
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everyones gota play a part

So lets stop this old paradigm

why do humans keep thinking satan is someone real and is controlling humanity biggest coverup lies within this stories of ancient times
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If you would have made any research you would know that the elite are luciferian (believing he is good guy...another name is prometheus.
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Read the bible, god kills millions and satan only kills one person (after god commands him to kill him). Satan was cast down after god tried to change the constitution in heaven and satan tried to protect it. Remind me which one is the bad guy?
 Quoting: Cavaignac


Wrong. Satan kills the whole lot of Job's family. Read the book of Job in the OT.
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My mistake. So god kills millions and Satan kills 7 people on the orders of god.
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Read the bible, god kills millions and satan only kills one person (after god commands him to kill him). Satan was cast down after god tried to change the constitution in heaven and satan tried to protect it. Remind me which one is the bad guy?
 Quoting: Cavaignac


Wrong. Satan kills the whole lot of Job's family. Read the book of Job in the OT.
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If you read Job carefully, Job says he is god. So we are talking about God's family. God's family is the royal family, and they, only some are dead because of wear and tear because satan didn't have enough power because he himself was dead.
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What is of Satan and was is of God depends on the view point of the soul. Some, like you, consider Satan to be the compassionate ear that listens to your pain and offers solace.

Others view that as God. Eventually you realize that the two groups are talking about the same one and giving it the name they are most comfortable with.
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^^^From your other thread.

I think a truly compassionate and empathetic deity would let you call it whatever you are comfortable or identify with, no matter what that is, in an attempt to relate to you. An entity like this would be past genius obviously and could use anything you thought, no matter how complicated, to find a way to reach you.

A starting point is whatever direction you choose to to step first.
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To answer this mans questions, I say that satan is responsible for mankinds knowledge because of the tree of knowledge. God only created a bunch of pornographic gardeners.
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The stupid in your post omg
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It seems like the rampant, blatant and mostly old-fashioned beliefs about god reigning over the earth and bringing good to peoples heart are pretentious and deluded drivel masking people's own desire for rule or influence over the people.
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First of all, it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what is true.

How do we know what is true? God gave us the inspired word of the bible.

Others have mentioned Job. Job happens to be my favorite book of the bible. It is also said to be the first book of the bible that was written.

In Job God asks satan, so satan what have you been up to? Satan answers, well just wandering here and there on the earth. God asks satan, have you considered my servant Job?

God felt that Job was beyond reproach but more importantly it seems to me that God and satan are working together. God gives parameters to satan and satan acts according to those parameters.

It does not seem as though God and satan are on opposites sides in this book, it seems more like the good cop bad cop scenario.

Lastly, satan has control of this earth right now. God gave it to him. Anything you find wrong in this world at this time can be directly referred to satan. That's why satan said he would give Jesus the whole world if He would just bow down and worship him.
But Lord, he stinketh!

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First of all, it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what is true.

How do we know what is true? God gave us the inspired word of the bible.

Others have mentioned Job. Job happens to be my favorite book of the bible. It is also said to be the first book of the bible that was written.

In Job God asks satan, so satan what have you been up to? Satan answers, well just wandering here and there on the earth. God asks satan, have you considered my servant Job?

God felt that Job was beyond reproach but more importantly it seems to me that God and satan are working together. God gives parameters to satan and satan acts according to those parameters.

It does not seem as though God and satan are on opposites sides in this book, it seems more like the good cop bad cop scenario.

Lastly, satan has control of this earth right now. God gave it to him. Anything you find wrong in this world at this time can be directly referred to satan. That's why satan said he would give Jesus the whole world if He would just bow down and worship him.
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All true, but this control is only temporary. Just like Satan being dark, cannot exist in the presence of light.

It's all about humans being the pawns, the battlefield.

God has a global sin meter. That critical level has yet to be breached, and Satan's role is to help breach that level.

Once that level is breached, humans cannot excuse themselves anymore, and God will act.

That is still years from now. If you think things are bad now, wait a little more, and it will get worse.

Humans are going from bad to worse.
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I believe you just have to acknowledge the existence of good and evil.

It's actually pretty hard to deny now a days.

Evil is fun. It's enticing. It's celebrity, fame and fortune. It's always a good time, even though it's usually at the expense of others.

It also never, ever ends well.

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First of all, it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what is true.

How do we know what is true? God gave us the inspired word of the bible.

Others have mentioned Job. Job happens to be my favorite book of the bible. It is also said to be the first book of the bible that was written.

In Job God asks satan, so satan what have you been up to? Satan answers, well just wandering here and there on the earth. God asks satan, have you considered my servant Job?

God felt that Job was beyond reproach but more importantly it seems to me that God and satan are working together. God gives parameters to satan and satan acts according to those parameters.

It does not seem as though God and satan are on opposites sides in this book, it seems more like the good cop bad cop scenario.

Lastly, satan has control of this earth right now. God gave it to him. Anything you find wrong in this world at this time can be directly referred to satan. That's why satan said he would give Jesus the whole world if He would just bow down and worship him.
 Quoting: A Friend


All true, but this control is only temporary. Just like Satan being dark, cannot exist in the presence of light.

It's all about humans being the pawns, the battlefield.

God has a global sin meter. That critical level has yet to be breached, and Satan's role is to help breach that level.

Once that level is breached, humans cannot excuse themselves anymore, and God will act.

That is still years from now. If you think things are bad now, wait a little more, and it will get worse.

Humans are going from bad to worse.
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Revelation tells us how bad it's going to get and unfortunately it is going to get really bad. Those who stand with Jesus are making it straight through to heaven which is our only saving grace.

We are not getting what we deserve but we are getting the mercy of God.

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But Lord, he stinketh!

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