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@ISNJH: 8 Russian bombers near Norway costs with tankers. Such a large number all at once in one day, a very significant show of force.
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Russia's getting crazy.
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Do u not think Russia has been forced into a corner. I know I do. Drop in oil prices was a direct attack.
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Well, sure, but that doesn't justify them. None of these governments are in the right. They're all corrupt fascist syndicates, including the Western powers.

Good to see you back by the way.
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Russia is really in no position to start a war with the West. Not by herself anyway. By any measure Europe can handle Russia pretty well without the help of the US, Canada, or Australia. That is if the multitude of European countries can act as a cohesive military force. no one European power could hold out against Russia's rolling army with the possible exception of Turkey. we have no idea how Turkey would really play their hand. Not these days. hell, they might switch sides.

German and UK armor is considered very good. They aren't large contingents, but their armor is world class and very well trained. Poland's army looks a lot like Russia's, which is to say sort of kind of modernized but not really. Nonetheless Poland's army is fairly large and will face off with the Russians using basically equivalent equipment.

The US maintains enough force in Europe to play a role and we all know they'll be in the vanguard. US armor, infantry, air power, and naval assets that are already there significantly bolster Europe's defense.

And by the way defending is tactically better than invading if you refuse to fight too hard for territory. It's called an elastic defense and is highly effective. You simply fire back at the invaders while you retreat. All offensives have a point where they lose momentum. In modern war it tends to be 100 miles or less in heavy fighting and up to 300 miles in light fighting. Once that point is reached a counter offensive is launched not with the aim of pushing the invaders back, but rather to cut off their forward forces and decimate them. The further you retreat the better off you are because your supply lines shorten and your forces grow more concentrated while the invader must spread his forces thinner to hold ground taken and while his supply lines grow longer.

An elastic defense has never been popular in Europe because it exposes germany and other Eastern"ish" countries to a strategy that literally calls for them being invaded. Official strategy has always been a forward defense that stops the Russians cold. In reality russia can likely break this forward defense so the real strategy will necissarily be an elastic.

Russia's best chance of success involves china, North Korea, and Iran joining in a world wide campaign. This would spread US forces out so much that it would be difficult for the US to be effective anywhere. However, the ideal US response would be to fall back to the central Pacific with it's navy and abandon South Korea and Japan. Defend the central Pacific while taking the offense in Europe. Try to maintain a coalition in the sand countries if possible or if that fails simply abandon the region altogether.
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I guess when you bully another nation who can and will kick your dumb ass,well get ready to get your dumb ass kickrd. Fucking idiot nation.
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Vladimir Putin: "Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable"

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A nuclear world war in our lifetime.. damn.
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it is over and all sides know it. game set match, what the people fail to understand, it is not because of governments, but because the people have gone bad. we can change anything but people, they have to want to chnge and this crowd wants anything but change.

kiss your ass goodbye...
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Russian subs can hammer the West.


Best stay out of the Ukraine and Syria.
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China has so many you can walk across the ocean.
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game over man,game over sfan
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Russian subs can hammer the West.


Best stay out of the Ukraine and Syria.
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China has so many you can walk across the ocean.
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A goodly number are short range and/or outdated. Some are very good.
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...

 Quoting: Luisport


Russia's getting crazy.
 Quoting: The_Original_Mind


Do u not think Russia has been forced into a corner. I know I do. Drop in oil prices was a direct attack.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Well, sure, but that doesn't justify them. None of these governments are in the right. They're all corrupt fascist syndicates, including the Western powers.

Good to see you back by the way.
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Thanks, glad to be back.
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Because he wants to relive his heydays from the 90's.

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First drones over French nuclear power plants, now explosions in the radio. SpetsNaz attacking France no doubt. They should give Mistrals to Russai...

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...

 Quoting: Luisport


Russia's getting crazy.
 Quoting: The_Original_Mind


Do u not think Russia has been forced into a corner. I know I do. Drop in oil prices was a direct attack.
 Quoting: missanthropic55


Well, sure, but that doesn't justify them. None of these governments are in the right. They're all corrupt fascist syndicates, including the Western powers.

Good to see you back by the way.
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Putin is not fascist... he is a god knowing person and is doing very well thru the mess.
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BREAKING: Another incident with two Russian plains violating Portuguese air space!
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BREAKING: Another incident with two Russian plains violating Portuguese air space!
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SECOND TIME IN 3 DAYS!!!
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BREAKING: Another incident with two Russian plains violating Portuguese air space!
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SECOND TIME IN 3 DAYS!!!
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Russian bombers passed very near the terminal approach area of Lisbon always escorted by two F-16 Portuguese
Two Russian strategic bombers Tu-95 Bear H "were intercepted at 8:30 am again today, for the second time in just over 48 hours using F-16s from the Portuguese Air Force (FAP), which impact on commercial air traffic that had to be diverted.
Russian bombers passed very near the terminal approach area of Lisbon always escorted by two F-16 fighters Portuguese.

However, this time, the overflight of Russian equipment represented real risk to commercial aviation traffic, since the civilian air traffic controllers could not detect the preventing its trajectory interfere with the route of civil aircraft. The civil air traffic control had to be informed of the intrusion by the Air Force.

Again, none of the Russian bombers had cleared flight plan and did not maintain radio contact with the civilian and military air traffic control. Both devices flew off with "transponders" (for identification), deliberately avoiding any identification by civil air traffic control.

Technically, the Russian long-range bombers did not enter the area of Portuguese sovereignty, but flew over the coast to 12 nautical miles, clearly violating the airspace under national responsibility.
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NORWEGIAN F-16S IDENTIFIED 8 RUSSIAN WARPLANES FLYING ALONG NORWEGIAN COSTLINE TODAY
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Luisport, heard anything about this?

BREAKING> russian submarine intercepted in portugal just now!!! right next to the beach!!!
Thread: BREAKING> russian submarine intercepted in portugal just now!!! right next to the beach!!!
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shockedshockedshocked
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Luisport, heard anything about this?

BREAKING> russian submarine intercepted in portugal just now!!! right next to the beach!!!
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shockedshockedshocked
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Run, Luis!!

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Iraq Update, Oct 30-31

- Major regime/Shia Brigades push north along HW1 toward Baiji. At this time they seem to have ISIS elements in Baiji surrounded and possess operational control of all regions immediately to the west, south, and east.s
- Coalition airstrikes against ISIS in Rutba, west Anbar.
- Coalition airstrikes around Mosul.
- About 1000 families exiled from Hit by ISIS arrive in Barwana, near Haditha.
- Fighting continues south of Baghdad. Skirmishes north of Babil. Regime forces succeed in open new route to Fallujah, with an attacking on the ISIS stronghold likely pending.
- ISIS kidnaps 250 members of the Sunni Albu Nimr tribe in Anbar and executes 150 others. ISIS appears to be aiming at the utter annihilation of the tribe.
- Regime forces advance toward Samarra and break a siege of ISF forces on the Samarra-Ramadi road. They report that an ISIS plan to flood Baghdad using the Samarra dam has been foiled.
- Summary: ISIS is retreating on almost all fronts. The war on the northern front between ISIS and the Kurds has been quiet throughout October. ISIS forces are being pushed back from Baghdad on all fronts, and Fallujah is at risk from regime attack. ISIS control of Anbar has crumbled and a major regime push in Saladin province is forcing ISIS back from Baiji. In short, following the regime’s success in holding the Marduk Line around Baghdad from June-September, and following their successful establishment of a new federal administration, initiative has reverted to the regime. ISIS is now on the defensive in Iraq.
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Russia is really in no position to start a war with the West. Not by herself anyway. By any measure Europe can handle Russia pretty well without the help of the US, Canada, or Australia. That is if the multitude of European countries can act as a cohesive military force. no one European power could hold out against Russia's rolling army with the possible exception of Turkey. we have no idea how Turkey would really play their hand. Not these days. hell, they might switch sides.

German and UK armor is considered very good. They aren't large contingents, but their armor is world class and very well trained. Poland's army looks a lot like Russia's, which is to say sort of kind of modernized but not really. Nonetheless Poland's army is fairly large and will face off with the Russians using basically equivalent equipment.

The US maintains enough force in Europe to play a role and we all know they'll be in the vanguard. US armor, infantry, air power, and naval assets that are already there significantly bolster Europe's defense.

And by the way defending is tactically better than invading if you refuse to fight too hard for territory. It's called an elastic defense and is highly effective. You simply fire back at the invaders while you retreat. All offensives have a point where they lose momentum. In modern war it tends to be 100 miles or less in heavy fighting and up to 300 miles in light fighting. Once that point is reached a counter offensive is launched not with the aim of pushing the invaders back, but rather to cut off their forward forces and decimate them. The further you retreat the better off you are because your supply lines shorten and your forces grow more concentrated while the invader must spread his forces thinner to hold ground taken and while his supply lines grow longer.

An elastic defense has never been popular in Europe because it exposes germany and other Eastern"ish" countries to a strategy that literally calls for them being invaded. Official strategy has always been a forward defense that stops the Russians cold. In reality russia can likely break this forward defense so the real strategy will necissarily be an elastic.

Russia's best chance of success involves china, North Korea, and Iran joining in a world wide campaign. This would spread US forces out so much that it would be difficult for the US to be effective anywhere. However, the ideal US response would be to fall back to the central Pacific with it's navy and abandon South Korea and Japan. Defend the central Pacific while taking the offense in Europe. Try to maintain a coalition in the sand countries if possible or if that fails simply abandon the region altogether.
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Very big if. HUGE if...
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This is unreal. And there's reports of massive invasions of US airspace up near Alaska. What the hell does Russia think it's achieving with this?
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Childish behaviour...
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For real...
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not to belittle anyone but I take it most of you where still

young or teenagers and did not grow up doing the bad old days

of the cold war from 1950-1987 when this was happening

every day. and MAD was the Word of the day. and black lists

and the Red Scare and 1954 when got the H-Bomb. and

Sputnik in 1957 and duck and cover drills.

not to forget the Berlin crisis, Bay of Pigs, or the Cuban

Missile Crisis. and the 2 big hot wars Korea and Vietnam.

Which where all Cold War struggles.
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This is unreal. And there's reports of massive invasions of US airspace up near Alaska. What the hell does Russia think it's achieving with this?
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Childish behaviour...
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For real...
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not to belittle anyone but I take it most of you where still

young or teenagers and did not grow up doing the bad old days

of the cold war from 1950-1987 when this was happening

every day. and MAD was the Word of the day. and black lists

and the Red Scare and 1954 when got the H-Bomb. and

Sputnik in 1957 and duck and cover drills.

not to forget the Berlin crisis, Bay of Pigs, or the Cuban

Missile Crisis. and the 2 big hot wars Korea and Vietnam.

Which where all Cold War struggles.
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Hi zombie...yup I can't remember and I'm sure those were scary days. Surely this is another cold war with a very Rea potential to become hot?
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BREAKING: Another incident with two Russian plains violating Portuguese air space!
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SECOND TIME IN 3 DAYS!!!
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Hi Luisport! 2 violations of British airspace this week: one by latvian cargo plane ( sonic boom heard over Essex from fighter plane escort) and the second one yesterday(?) russian fighter plane was escorted out of GB airspace....

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This is unreal. And there's reports of massive invasions of US airspace up near Alaska. What the hell does Russia think it's achieving with this?
 Quoting: The_Original_Mind


Childish behaviour...
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For real...
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not to belittle anyone but I take it most of you where still

young or teenagers and did not grow up doing the bad old days

of the cold war from 1950-1987 when this was happening

every day. and MAD was the Word of the day. and black lists

and the Red Scare and 1954 when got the H-Bomb. and

Sputnik in 1957 and duck and cover drills.

not to forget the Berlin crisis, Bay of Pigs, or the Cuban

Missile Crisis. and the 2 big hot wars Korea and Vietnam.

Which where all Cold War struggles.
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I was barely born so I have no direct experience of the era. I guess I'm young :P
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At 17.00 - meeting of the NSDC under the chairmanship of the President - Declaration of war expected
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АНОНС: 17.00 - [link to www.president.gov.ua]

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Translated:
The Council of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine headed by the President

On Tuesday, November 4, at 17:00, chaired by the President of Ukraine Poroshenko a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine will take place(Presidential Administration of Ukraine, ul. Bankovaya, 11).

Photographers and cameramen are invited to the hall at 16:00. Other members of the media are invited to the press center APU, which will broadcast provided opening remarks by the President.

Following the briefing session will be held at the press center of the UBA.

Interested media representatives shall call until 14:00 255-65-51 and 255-68-67.
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