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Olbermann devoted a full 15 minutes to John Dean and a little-known study on how (my words here) MILLIONS of Republicans/conservatives/neocons will BLINDLY follow "the leader", and not use their own thought processes the way the left/Democrats/liberals do.

Here's a snip of Gordon Liddy's absolute relinquishment of everything human in his devotion and total acceptance of Trick Dick Nixon's commands, programs, issues, etc.

<<snip: "Dean: "Tell me where you want me shot. He said I don't want you shooting me in my house because I've got children. But shoot me on the street corner. That's a loyal right-wing authoritarian follower in action at the extreme."

I find it incredible that people like this exist.

What will it take for them to get their lives back in their own control?

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Olbermann Plugs 'Conservatives Without Conscience' Attack on 'Authoritarian' Republicans

Posted by Brad Wilmouth on July 11, 2006 - 03:39.

On Monday's Countdown show, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann hosted former Nixon White House counsel and frequent Bush administration critic John Dean to talk about his latest book attacking conservatives, titled Conservatives Without Conscience, which the Countdown host labeled "an extraordinary document." Olbermann, who has a long history of bashing President Bush's tactics in the war on terrorism, provided Dean with a sympathetic, nonchallenging forum to argue that modern conservatives are moving the Republican party toward "authoritarianism" as Dean tagged some conservatives as having an "authoritarian personality," and labeled 23 percent of the population as "right-wing authoritarian followers" who are willing to "march over the cliff." Olbermann not only made his latest reference to George Orwell's 1984, but he also found relevance in bringing up Nazi Germany as he wondered if there had been similarity in the "psychological principles" in "Germany and Italy in the 30s," and, quoting a passage from Dean's book, brought up the possibility that conservatives might intentionally "provoke potential terrorists" in an effort to "maintain influence and control of the presidency."

Olbermann began his interview with Dean discussing a recent story about the criticism of the Bush administration by Republican Congressman Peter Hoekstra over the NSA spying controversy. After queuing up Dean to claim former Republican Senator Barry Goldwater, and author of Conscience of a Conservative, would decry the modern Republican party's course, Dean moved on to describe a study by various researchers who claimed many conservatives "fit with the authoritarian personality." Dean contended that a number conservatives "march in lockstep when they get the word from the authority they are expected to follow."

The Countdown host then proceeded to bring up Nazi Germany and Italy's fascism of the 30s: "A lot of [the academic work] is very unsettling. It deals with psychological principles that are frightening and that may have faced other nations at other times in Germany and Italy in the 30s coming to mind in particular. How does it apply now? And to what degree should it scare us? And to what degree is it something that might still be forestalled?"

Olbermann admitted to his overuse of "Orwellian analogies" as he compared al-Qaeda to the Two Minutes Hate from 1984 which served as "an enemy to coalesce around or the whole thing falls apart." Olbermann showed fascination with a passage from Dean's book which suggested that "neoconservatives and many Republicans" might be willing to deliberately "provoke potential terrorists" in order "to maintain influence and control of the presidency." Olbermann continued: "That's ominous not just in the sense that authoritarians involved in conservatism and now Republicanism would politicize counterterror here, which we've already argued that point on many occasions. But are you actually saying here they would set up, encourage terrorism from other countries to set them up as a bogeyman to have again that group to hate here, that group to more importantly afraid of here?"

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SOOOO DOES THAT MEAN THE OTHER 77% WOULD DO THE SAME FOR THE CLINTOONISTAS? LOL
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sheeplebahSame 23% watch Fox for all their news.
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Did you read and understand the article?

Snip from the article:

"Dean: "They have found really maybe a small, one percent of the left who follow authoritarianism, probably the far left. But as far as widespread testing, it is just overwhelmingly conservative orientation."


Maybe you should buy the book.
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The whole interview with John Dean and his perspective are very asinine and wrong.
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So, A.C. 34441, are we to assume you're one of the 23%?
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I'd like to hear Olbermann's other viewer's take on this...
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I would be curious to see demographic static's regarding the 23%. My instincts tell me that a majority of the 23% are motivated by religious fanaticism or religious dogma.
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Gordot, we can safely go out on that proverbial limb on this one and assume the 23% are primarily in the "red" states.
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Saw Dean on MSNBC's COUNTDOWN last night, Polly.

Mentioned it in a response on the thread:


FEAR AS A WEAPON: HOW THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION GOT AWAY WITH ITS ABUSE OF POWER by Glenn Greenwald
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


Specifically, for a video link and more on Authoritarianism, see my response at 5:49 AM

or

go directly to:


Dean on Bush’s problem

Some of President Bush’s Republican allies in Congress are pushing back against the White House.

Keith Olbermann talks with author John Dean. • WATCH VIDEO

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
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(Being on a Mac and a different browser, I can't access it and say if it's the entire interview.)

Also see:


Right Wing Authoritarianism
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and...

Authoritarian personality
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's pretty interesting as it explains both personalities like Bush, Cheney, etc. - and - why they can even maintain any support due to certain types among the population.

Thanks for the post (I was looking for a transcript),

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Maybe this book was written before the 'revolt'.

Right now, there is a huge revolt going on in the Republican Party.

It started over the pork-barrel spending, budget deficit problems.

It was exacerbated over the illegal immigration issue.

In either case, this book is grossly outdated opinion or they are as "disconnected" as Bush.

Here is an article from the former bedrock of Bush's base:

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A good summation why Bush and the GOP have lost my support for anything they do but the war effort, and a good indictment for impeachment - due the Chief Law Enforcement Officer is derelict in duty to secure our borders - during a time of war.


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

"We cannot kick people out who have been here for awhile."

That's what President Bush said last week.

And he means it.

That is his policy toward those who have broken into our country, defied our immigration laws, cheapened our way of life and driven a stake through the heart of what it means to be an American.

This is amnesty, no matter what the president says.

If we "can't kick people out who have been here for awhile," then we have no alternative but to forgive and forget they broke the law.

What other possibility is there? How else can one define amnesty?

By making this ludicrous, untrue declaration, Bush has once again waved the white flag of surrender to the hordes who continue to invade our country. He has thrown out the welcome mat for more illegal entry.

Though no statistics are yet available, you can be sure this sign of weakness in leadership was a great encouragement to those still seeking to break into America. Every time this guy opens his mouth on this issue, more illegals make their way across the Rio Grande seeing what could be their last chance to get in, what could be the last wave of an open-door policy by the U.S.

Bush is a lame duck, and he doesn't care. He doesn't care what continued illegal immigration will do to his country. He doesn't care what it will do to his legacy. He doesn't care what it will do to his party in November and in 2008.

He's serving some other master. He's got some other agenda. He's carrying out his father's promise to usher America into a New World Order.

Can I ask some simple questions? What does it mean that we can't kick out people who have been here for awhile? Why is that? What does "for awhile" mean?

Where does Bush get off making such a statement? He was elected and sworn into office to enforce the law of the land. The law of the land is clear on what happens to lawbreakers. They are punished. Those who break immigration laws are deported. There are no special provisions in the law for those who have been here "for awhile," whatever that means.

How does he get away with this kind of trash talk?

I understand he is speaking his mind. I understand he is advocating a viewpoint. But when the president's viewpoint runs contrary to the law of the land, there is no question that he is obligated to enforce the laws, not ignore them, not subvert them, not undermine them.

If Bush wants to change the laws, he is welcome to try. But while he remains president, he is sworn to execute the current laws – whether he likes them or not.

So far, Bush has found little support among the people for his promotion of amnesty. Yet he continues to promote it. Again, whatever his objectives, he is welcome to try. But he defies the Constitution, the Congress, his oath of office, the rule of law and the will of the people when he refuses to enforce the law.

Bush is recklessly irresponsible on immigration. He's like a spoiled child who refuses to do the right thing simply because he has staked out a position against it.

He has no credibility on his primary mission as president – protecting the American people and defending the homeland – as he continues to promote the idea that anyone and everyone is welcome in the U.S.

Bush's behavior can no longer be confused with political tone deafness. He's got an agenda he is promoting. It is not a traditional American agenda. It is an internationalist agenda. It is a multinational corporate agenda. It is an elitist agenda.

It has never been more obvious than it is today.


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Well we all know you'd do the same for the DemonRat party, so what's your point you left-wing Communist, Anti-American moron?
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Well we all know you'd do the same for the DemonRat party, so what's your point you left-wing Communist, Anti-American moron?
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"...look at the numbers in the United States and I see about 23 percent of the population who are pure right-wing authoritarian followers. They're not going to change. They're going to march over the cliff..."


Gee, 93777, can we have a snapshot of you to insert next to the definition?

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I wouldn't be surprised if he were impeached in the next year.
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Thanks for that additional info, BMG.

Apparently, Dean had no knowledge that comprehensive study was being conducted on this subject, as he stated on Olbermann's show, and when he studied it, he was as surprised regards the results as we are.

Although they were very politically correct and danced around calling these people (the 23%) complete idiots, I distinctly got that impression.

There really ARE adults who give up, willingly and voluntarily, any attempt at processing information for themselves and lock-step with their party of choice.

My brain has a hard time wrapping itself around that information.

Why would you NOT question authority???

Geeze.
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Kay, I agree with your thoughts.

The tide is and has been turning away from bush and his tactics, etc.

November should be very, very interesting for ALL incumbents.
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Which would cancel out the 23% of the US population who would "fast with Cindy Sheehan for 40 days".

Olbermann is an idiot, but even he has the gray matter to avoid lost causes.
He was a better sportscaster than a tabloid anchor. That is not saying much.
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So, A.C. 34441, are we to assume you're one of the 23%?
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Are we going to reduce ourselves by a percentage of those who are for or against whomever?!

Jeeze, that's not only asinine but very childish and stupid.
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What you fail to realize Pottsy, is that Cindy Sheehan is trying to save your children's lives, as well as others.

There is no "honor" in dying for a sham war based on lies, and your attempt to denigrate her actions for peace earn you a seat with the aforementioned 23%.
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So, A.C. 34441, are we to assume you're one of the 23%?


Are we going to reduce ourselves by a percentage of those who are for or against whomever?!

Jeeze, that's not only asinine but very childish and stupid.
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You're back!

This study gives us (those with intact individuality, and a still working brain) a yardstick on which to base the actions of those who clearly have given up their individuality, and it helps us to TRY to understand WHY they choose not to think for themselves.

You may think it childish and stupid, but then again, by your statements just about admit you're among the 23%.
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You're very welcome, Dr.Postman.

It's becoming more obvious that we need to reach these lost souls among that 23%.
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You know it really astounds me that our country has been run by the radical element of either party for years. Why, when the majority is more middle of the road politcally aren't leaders elected to represent them? It really iratates me that people are not free thinkers anymore, and they think if you are a free thinker that you are a danger to the whole country. Got to be a sheep and blindly follow you know. We have probably the most radical element of people in power on both State and National politics we have ever had in the history of this nation. By radical I am saying that they don't have views matching the majority of Amerikans today. Yes, I can see people blindly following somebody over a cliff because they can't think for themselves enough to formulate their own judgement. My mother used to tell me, when I said all the other kids are doing it, then if they are all jumping off a cliff does that mean you should do that also. Maybe I look at things very simple, but my opinion is that the more complicated, the more trouble there is.
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Don't fool yourself.There is not one bit of difference between dems and repubs. Look at the senate vote on amnesty. 39 dem senators voted for it. After the repubs are voted out then the dems come in and pass it for humanity!!!! lol
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This study gives us (those with intact individuality, and a still working brain) a yardstick on which to base the actions of those who clearly have given up their individuality, and it helps us to TRY to understand WHY they choose not to think for themselves.

You may think it childish and stupid, but then again, by your statements just about admit you're among the 23%.
 Quoting: Pollyannuh


You're not answering my question: are we going to keep reducing ourselves to a percentage of those who are for or against whomever?

If you're for the opposition, it shows that you're not thinking for yourself, but choose to goes along with whatever wind is blowing in that direction.

It's crap, it's groupthink, it's collectively childish and absurd.
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flag waver militia
You know it really astounds me that our country has been run by the radical element of either party for years. Why, when the majority is more middle of the road politcally aren't leaders elected to represent them? It really iratates me that people are not free thinkers anymore, and they think if you are a free thinker that you are a danger to the whole country. Got to be a sheep and blindly follow you know. We have probably the most radical element of people in power on both State and National politics we have ever had in the history of this nation. By radical I am saying that they don't have views matching the majority of Amerikans today. Yes, I can see people blindly following somebody over a cliff because they can't think for themselves enough to formulate their own judgement. My mother used to tell me, when I said all the other kids are doing it, then if they are all jumping off a cliff does that mean you should do that also. Maybe I look at things very simple, but my opinion is that the more complicated, the more trouble there is.
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To give you my answers on your questions, Dirt Farmer, moderate candidates don't attract the voter.

When you have a blitz political campaign using all sorts of tools to incite the masses, the extreme element will win. Period. Buzz words words throughout the campaign equal action and that equals votes. People have become conditioned to being SOLD on a candidate and the campaigns/handlers know this. And, that brainless, mindless 23% will insure the chosen candidate wins. All too true, all too sad.

And, yes, it's much easier to control the masses when they don't think for themselves. "They" use this to their full advantage.

I shudder to think what the next generation or the one following will bring to the American landscape.
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Don't fool yourself.There is not one bit of difference between dems and repubs. Look at the senate vote on amnesty. 39 dem senators voted for it. After the repubs are voted out then the dems come in and pass it for humanity!!!! lol
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Maybe they didn't test the congresscritters during this study, A.C.

The figures there would be more like 75%.
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This study gives us (those with intact individuality, and a still working brain) a yardstick on which to base the actions of those who clearly have given up their individuality, and it helps us to TRY to understand WHY they choose not to think for themselves.

You may think it childish and stupid, but then again, by your statements just about admit you're among the 23%.


You're not answering my question: are we going to keep reducing ourselves to a percentage of those who are for or against whomever?

If you're for the opposition, it shows that you're not thinking for yourself, but choose to goes along with whatever wind is blowing in that direction.

It's crap, it's groupthink, it's collectively childish and absurd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34441



A.C. 34441, if you think you live in a world that is NOT defined by percentages, you prove my point and the point of this study.

When you fill out a form to buy a home, a car, a voter registration card, whatever, are you asked personal questions?

"Are you Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic, Other?"

"Do you own your home or rent?"

"How long have you lived at this address?"

"What is your income?"

And so on.

Get with it. Just about everything you do defines you as a percentage, a certain segment of the population of these United States.

So, therefore, if you haven't already answered your own question, the response is yes.

Whether we like it or not, childish, stupid, whatever, the big boys use this tool and we are all just a bunch of statistics.
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Thank you for proving my point, Polly.

The wind's blowing in the opposite direction, go with the flow! Fly, Polly! Til you crash down, like lemmings.
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Thank you for proving my point, Polly.

The wind's blowing in the opposite direction, go with the flow! Fly, Polly! Til you crash down, like lemmings.
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I have absolutely no clue what you're trying to say, A.C. 34441.

IF you can switch yourself over to the 77% of the American people who DO use their ability to process thought, please try again.

hugs

I'm feeling so sorry for you right now.
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Great post which begins this thread ! thumbs Timely as well as terrific !

The ‘Authoritarian Personality Syndrome’ -- as it is frequently termed by those in the behavioural sciences -- is well know and long recognised.

Sometimes it’s also referred to as the ‘“F” Scale.’ That is to say, ‘F’ as in ‘FASCISM.’

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Great post which begins this thread ! thumbs Timely as well as terrific !

The ‘Authoritarian Personality Syndrome’ -- as it is frequently termed by those in the behavioural sciences -- is well know and long recognised.

Sometimes it’s also referred to as the ‘“F” Scale.’ That is to say, ‘F’ as in ‘FASCISM.’

~ Campbell Randt
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You know, Campbell, sometimes it's just a tiny bit disconcerting when you post a thread that forces people to look in the mirror.

Most people don't like hearing or seeing the truth.

And, since they don't think for themselves as it is, I wonder if the article will impact those that NEED to be impacted...sigh.





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