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MH17 Likely Crashed From R-60 Air-to-Air Missile from SU-25 Fighter Jet: Ukrainian Government (Via US) Is Framing Russian Militia For Attack

 
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The way I see it...
The Ukrainian Army used its Buk Missile system from Donetsk to try to frame the local Militia by moving the Buk missile system to a militia controlled area just prior to the launch/crash.

An Army controlled Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet was used as the initial target for the Buk system (which has safeguards preventing it from directly targeting a commercial airliner such as MH17). Once the Buk missile system was in place on militia controlled land, the Su-25 fighter jet flys by and gets locked on. Once the Buk missile is fired (by the Ukrainian government, but on militia controlled land) it then chases the Su-25 fighter jet, which quickly gains altitude and flies in a general path towards MH17. Shortly before impact the Su-25 fighter jet drops chaff, which is then hit by the Buk missile instead of the fighter jet. At the same time the Su-25 fighter jet then shoots a air-to-air Vympel R-60 missile (from ~3.5km away) at MH17, which mimics the original Buk missiles pathing and then ends up hitting the left engine of MH17 as if it were the Buk missile, causing MH17 to crash.

The Su-25 fighter jet then lands as if it was never there, and the Buk missile system is removed from militia controlled land and moved into Russia via a city that was recently retaken by Ukrainian forces, where the Ukrainian Army denies it's involvement in the event and passes blame on to Russian militia instead.

And go figure...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Monday that Kiev has “strong evidence” of the causes of the MH17 crash.
“We know exactly the place [the surface-to-air missile was] launched, we know exactly the place where it hit the civilian plane and the place where the plane crashed.”


Ya because they are going to point all the attention to the Buk missile decoy that was purposely launched from militia controlled land to keep the public from learning the truth about what really happened...

It's amazing more people aren't seeing this event for what it was (they did the EXACT same bait and switch in Syria recently but using chemical weapons instead, and using the rebels to try to frame the government, instead of the government to frame the rebels... same shit different day).


Ukrainian Army Buk Missile System Transported to Militia-Held Area Just Prior to Crash
While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained...
“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe...
The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.
Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.


Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17
“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”


Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radar (which are part of the Buk system) activity increased prior to crash
"..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found."

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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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I don't think you fully understood my original post.

"They" did shoot a Buk missile but by "they" I mean the Ukrainian government (not the Russian Militia being blamed). The Buk missile was moved to militia held ground JUST for the operation itself (then moved back to government controlled land). This was done to create the overarching "plausible" scenario (surface-to-air missile done by militia simply due to proximity of the launch) that could be blamed on the militia. Since the militia doesn;t have fighter jets, they couldn't use a air-to-air missile for the official script so staging a controlled Buk missile launch from militia controlled land was the next best thing to tie the attack back to the wanted parties as needed.

It's amazing how obvious they are with these false flags and it's even more amazing how many sheeple believe them...

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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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I don't think you fully understood my original post.

"They" did shoot a Buk missile but by "they" I mean the Ukrainian government (not the Russian Militia being blamed). The Buk missile was moved to militia held ground JUST for the operation itself (then moved back to government controlled land). This was done to create the overarching "plausible" scenario (surface-to-air missile done by militia simply due to proximity of the launch) that could be blamed on the militia. Since they don't have fighter jets, they couldn't use a air-to-air missile for the official script so staging a controlled Buk missile launch from militia controlled land was the next best thing.

It's amazing how obvious they are with these false flags and it's even more amazing how many sheeple believe them...
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Yes.

How about this one


Malaysian airlines MH17

- First flight was on 17th july (7) - 1997
- "Crashed"on 17th july (7) - 2014

It was a boeing 777

Look at the number 1's and 7's!
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I've been saying this all along. Question: What would Putin haveto gain by shooting down a comnercial plane ....absolutely nothing. What the Ukraine gain by framing Putin?
EVERYTHING

they don't even have proof that Putin
ordered the plane to be shot down and they're foaming at the mouth to start a war with him.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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I don't think you fully understood my original post.

"They" did shoot a Buk missile but by "they" I mean the Ukrainian government (not the Russian Militia being blamed). The Buk missile was moved to militia held ground JUST for the operation itself (then moved back to government controlled land). This was done to create the overarching "plausible" scenario (surface-to-air missile done by militia simply due to proximity of the launch) that could be blamed on the militia. Since the militia doesn;t have fighter jets, they couldn't use a air-to-air missile for the official script so staging a controlled Buk missile launch from militia controlled land was the next best thing to tie the attack back to the wanted parties as needed.

It's amazing how obvious they are with these false flags and it's even more amazing how many sheeple believe them...
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Da!!! Da!!! He right!!! Is false flag. George Soros and CIA, they do it, with Ukraine pawns.
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I've been saying this all along. Question: What would Putin haveto gain by shooting down a comnercial plane ....absolutely nothing. What the Ukraine gain by framing Putin?
EVERYTHING

they don't even have proof that Putin
ordered the plane to be shot down and they're foaming at the mouth to start a war with him.
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They've given themselves an out by floating an olive branch to Putin to say it was an accident and that he's not in control of "Drunken Rebels".


If Putin plays along with this, I reserve the right to think this Kabuki theater is so staged it mimics the ending of the movie Spies Like Us than anyone would like to admit...


..the one where Chevy Chase and Dan Akroyd are playing a game of Risk with Russian military leaders to determine territories with along with hot Russian woman and Vodka.



nice work as always 88.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
All evidence points to Russians, and they are making UBER effort in covering it up / blaming others.


It was the Russians.

End of story.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
All evidence points to Russians, and they are making UBER effort in covering it up / blaming others.


It was the Russians.

End of story.
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Feel free to think that, but I ain't buying it.
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You guys realize that the AOA of that SU-25 to even get a lock and be in range of the missile would have to nearly be vertical to the airliner? The plane was flying over 10,000 meters while the ceiling height of the SU-25 is 7000 meters EMPTY. There's no way it was gaining on an airliner at that height. Meaning fully loaded it would barely even reach 5000 meters (The aircraft is too heavy and the engines don't give enough power to reach that height). Either someone misquoted the designation of the aircraft, which is most likely the case since the Russian Ministry of Defense shows an Su-24, not an SU-25, or someone is bullshitting.
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You guys realize that the AOA of that SU-25 to even get a lock and be in range of the missile would have to nearly be vertical to the airliner? The plane was flying over 10,000 meters while the ceiling height of the SU-25 is 7000 meters EMPTY. There's no way it was gaining on an airliner at that height. Meaning fully loaded it would barely even reach 5000 meters (The aircraft is too heavy and the engines don't give enough power to reach that height). Either someone misquoted the designation of the aircraft, which is most likely the case since the Russian Ministry of Defense shows an Su-24, not an SU-25, or someone is bullshitting.
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lol....I doubt that most people really understand your reply or how fast missiles really are. That would be one bad ass pilot getting all that shit done in time.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
All evidence points to Russians, and they are making UBER effort in covering it up / blaming others.


It was the Russians.

End of story.
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You don't really make your case very well. Explain why Russia would be behind something so stupid to do.

Who has the motive and who lacks a motive here?
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This hoax is so utterly transparent, and more and more people know it.

No plane.
No missile.
No people.
No story. Except the lame lie tpretenderstb are trying to get over on YOU.

Looks like they succeeded with OP. Or is he just a shill?

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You guys realize that the AOA of that SU-25 to even get a lock and be in range of the missile would have to nearly be vertical to the airliner? The plane was flying over 10,000 meters while the ceiling height of the SU-25 is 7000 meters EMPTY. There's no way it was gaining on an airliner at that height. Meaning fully loaded it would barely even reach 5000 meters (The aircraft is too heavy and the engines don't give enough power to reach that height). Either someone misquoted the designation of the aircraft, which is most likely the case since the Russian Ministry of Defense shows an Su-24, not an SU-25, or someone is bullshitting.
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Several articles mention the su-# being at near the same altitude of MH17 (~33,000 ft) just prior to the crash, which as you stated would be to high for a su-25 (max ~23,000 ft) so it must of been a su-24 (max 36,000 ft) and "someone misquoted the designation of the aircraft, which is most likely the case since the Russian Ministry of Defense shows an Su-24, not an SU-25."

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Benjamin Fulford - July 21, 2014: Bush Jr., Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior nazionists to be arrested soon
The arrest of nazionist mass murderers like George Bush Jr. and Benjamin Netanyahu and their fellow cabalists is imminent, according to Mossad and other sources. These criminals and their fellow top cabalists have already been banned from traveling to over 180 countries and soon will be banned from traveling outside of their jail cells, the sources said.

The downing of remote controlled Israeli owned so-called “Malaysian Airlines flight MH17,” filled with dead and decomposing bodies, was one dirty trick too many for the nazionists and a turning point against them has now been reached within the world’s secret agencies and governments, according to multiple sources.

What we first saw in Syria were are now seeing in the Ukraine; a failed attempt to use a manufactured incident to start a war. The nazionists created “Sarin gas attacks on civilians” in Syria and now “dead HIV scientists” in the Ukraine and used it to try to fool the US military into attacking. Only this time in the Ukraine, even more so than was the case with Syria, nobody is taking the bait.

We can see this in the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media “attack Russia” PR campaign.

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This doesn't explain the pilots sudden diversion onto his now infamous course. I honestly believe, like you stated, that the shoot down only serves the interests of Ukraine and the West. However, I believe the means in which it was done was completely different though.

I believe the plane was hacked into via ground based laptop and or local fighter jet and the pilot lost 100% command of the plane instantly. Communications, sensors, auto pilot override, oxygen and even cabin destabilization knocked off line and taken off course. Bring in the SAMs to seal the deal with eye witnesses and fire pattern signatures (sensors are disabled enabling the BUKS to lock on target) and bam. International outcry. Politically Obama can divert attention from every single failure to this point catching up with him while military wise pushing a strategy of provocation and encroachment via unleashed dogs of the us state dept and CIA (ISIL/IS, Ukraine rebels, Muslim brotherhood, etc).

It's sick to even say this but I will. I don't think people want to know the truth because it would shock the foundations of their core. Everything they thought they ever knew would become undone and that scares too many people. They'd rather live apathetically and consciously oblivious to reality rather than face the truth.

Veritas.
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Makes sense to me OP.

I have been watching the MSM all day and they have been preempting this exact argument little by little. Which means it is probably close.

The big tell is the Ukrainian president saying "This is the same as 9/11 for the Ukraine."
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If so then what high altitude missile system shot down the previous aircraft.
2 Ukraine transport & a fighter jet were shot down at altitude a week or so before.
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The way I see it...
The Ukrainian Army used its Buk Missile system from Donetsk to try to frame the local Militia by moving the Buk missile system to a militia controlled area just prior to the launch/crash.

An Army controlled Ukrainian Su-24/25 fighter jet was used as the initial target for the Buk system (which has safeguards preventing it from directly targeting a commercial airliner such as MH17). Once the Buk missile system was in place on militia controlled land, the Su-24/25 fighter jet flys by and gets locked on. Once the Buk missile is fired (by the Ukrainian government, but on militia controlled land) it then chases the Su-24/25 fighter jet, which quickly gains altitude and flies in a general path towards MH17. Shortly before impact the Su-24/25 fighter jet drops chaff, which is then hit by the Buk missile instead of the fighter jet. At the same time the Su-24/25 fighter jet then shoots a air-to-air Vympel R-60 missile (from ~3.5km away) at MH17, which mimics the original Buk missiles pathing and then ends up hitting the left engine of MH17 as if it were the Buk missile, causing MH17 to crash.

The Su-24/25 fighter jet then lands as if it was never there, and the Buk missile system is removed from militia controlled land and moved back to Donetsk where the Ukrainian Army denies it's involvement in the event and passes blame on to Russian militia instead.

And go figure...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Monday that Kiev has “strong evidence” of the causes of the MH17 crash.
“We know exactly the place [the surface-to-air missile was] launched, we know exactly the place where it hit the civilian plane and the place where the plane crashed.”


Ya because they are going to point all the attention to the Buk missile decoy that was purposely launched from militia controlled land to keep the public from learning the truth about what really happened...

It's amazing more people aren't seeing this event for what it was (they did the EXACT same bait and switch in Syria recently but using chemical weapons instead, and using the rebels to try to frame the government, instead of the government to frame the rebels... same shit different day).


Ukrainian Army Buk Missile System Transported to Militia-Held Area Just Prior to Crash
While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained...
“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe...
The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.
Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.


Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17
“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”


Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radar (which are part of the Buk system) activity increased prior to crash
"..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found."

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All seems quite likely and very well could have happened except for those pesky tweets and intercepted transmissions from the rebels claiming they shot down a plane. If it wasn't for that, I'd almost believe it was done to frame the rebels.


If the US has the satellite images showing the missile launcher and the movement of it back across to the russian border now is the time to release the video images.
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If so then what high altitude missile system shot down the previous aircraft.
2 Ukraine transport & a fighter jet were shot down at altitude a week or so before.
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Shoulder fired, those were.
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The way I see it...
The Ukrainian Army used its Buk Missile system from Donetsk to try to frame the local Militia by moving the Buk missile system to a militia controlled area just prior to the launch/crash.

An Army controlled Ukrainian Su-24/25 fighter jet was used as the initial target for the Buk system (which has safeguards preventing it from directly targeting a commercial airliner such as MH17). Once the Buk missile system was in place on militia controlled land, the Su-24/25 fighter jet flys by and gets locked on. Once the Buk missile is fired (by the Ukrainian government, but on militia controlled land) it then chases the Su-24/25 fighter jet, which quickly gains altitude and flies in a general path towards MH17. Shortly before impact the Su-24/25 fighter jet drops chaff, which is then hit by the Buk missile instead of the fighter jet. At the same time the Su-24/25 fighter jet then shoots a air-to-air Vympel R-60 missile (from ~3.5km away) at MH17, which mimics the original Buk missiles pathing and then ends up hitting the left engine of MH17 as if it were the Buk missile, causing MH17 to crash.

The Su-24/25 fighter jet then lands as if it was never there, and the Buk missile system is removed from militia controlled land and moved back to Donetsk where the Ukrainian Army denies it's involvement in the event and passes blame on to Russian militia instead.

And go figure...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Monday that Kiev has “strong evidence” of the causes of the MH17 crash.
“We know exactly the place [the surface-to-air missile was] launched, we know exactly the place where it hit the civilian plane and the place where the plane crashed.”


Ya because they are going to point all the attention to the Buk missile decoy that was purposely launched from militia controlled land to keep the public from learning the truth about what really happened...

It's amazing more people aren't seeing this event for what it was (they did the EXACT same bait and switch in Syria recently but using chemical weapons instead, and using the rebels to try to frame the government, instead of the government to frame the rebels... same shit different day).


Ukrainian Army Buk Missile System Transported to Militia-Held Area Just Prior to Crash
While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained...
“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe...
The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.
Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.


Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17
“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”


Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radar (which are part of the Buk system) activity increased prior to crash
"..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found."

[link to rt.com]
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All seems quite likely and very well could have happened except for those pesky tweets and intercepted transmissions from the rebels claiming they shot down a plane. If it wasn't for that, I'd almost believe it was done to frame the rebels.


If the US has the satellite images showing the missile launcher and the movement of it back across to the russian border now is the time to release the video images.
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They did shoot down a plane, only it was the day before, not M17.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
All evidence points to Russians, and they are making UBER effort in covering it up / blaming others.


It was the Russians.

End of story.
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I don't think it was the Russians, I think it was the russian backed rebels who fricked up while playing with their new toy.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54026367


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
All evidence points to Russians, and they are making UBER effort in covering it up / blaming others.


It was the Russians.

End of story.
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I don't think it was the Russians, I think it was the russian backed rebels who fricked up while playing with their new toy.
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It was Ukraine military.
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The way I see it...
The Ukrainian Army used its Buk Missile system from Donetsk to try to frame the local Militia by moving the Buk missile system to a militia controlled area just prior to the launch/crash.

An Army controlled Ukrainian Su-24/25 fighter jet was used as the initial target for the Buk system (which has safeguards preventing it from directly targeting a commercial airliner such as MH17). Once the Buk missile system was in place on militia controlled land, the Su-24/25 fighter jet flys by and gets locked on. Once the Buk missile is fired (by the Ukrainian government, but on militia controlled land) it then chases the Su-24/25 fighter jet, which quickly gains altitude and flies in a general path towards MH17. Shortly before impact the Su-24/25 fighter jet drops chaff, which is then hit by the Buk missile instead of the fighter jet. At the same time the Su-24/25 fighter jet then shoots a air-to-air Vympel R-60 missile (from ~3.5km away) at MH17, which mimics the original Buk missiles pathing and then ends up hitting the left engine of MH17 as if it were the Buk missile, causing MH17 to crash.

The Su-24/25 fighter jet then lands as if it was never there, and the Buk missile system is removed from militia controlled land and moved back to Donetsk where the Ukrainian Army denies it's involvement in the event and passes blame on to Russian militia instead.

And go figure...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Monday that Kiev has “strong evidence” of the causes of the MH17 crash.
“We know exactly the place [the surface-to-air missile was] launched, we know exactly the place where it hit the civilian plane and the place where the plane crashed.”


Ya because they are going to point all the attention to the Buk missile decoy that was purposely launched from militia controlled land to keep the public from learning the truth about what really happened...

It's amazing more people aren't seeing this event for what it was (they did the EXACT same bait and switch in Syria recently but using chemical weapons instead, and using the rebels to try to frame the government, instead of the government to frame the rebels... same shit different day).


Ukrainian Army Buk Missile System Transported to Militia-Held Area Just Prior to Crash
While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained...
“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe...
The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.
Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.


Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17
“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”


Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radar (which are part of the Buk system) activity increased prior to crash
"..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found."

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: TruthNow88


All seems quite likely and very well could have happened except for those pesky tweets and intercepted transmissions from the rebels claiming they shot down a plane. If it wasn't for that, I'd almost believe it was done to frame the rebels.


If the US has the satellite images showing the missile launcher and the movement of it back across to the russian border now is the time to release the video images.
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They did shoot down a plane, only it was the day before, not M17.
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No, pretty sure the transmission was referring to the commercial airline. They seemed pretty surprised to find it was a commercial plane and one of them claimed the cossacks did it.
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If so then what high altitude missile system shot down the previous aircraft.
2 Ukraine transport & a fighter jet were shot down at altitude a week or so before.
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Shoulder fired, those were.
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Nope manpads can't even reach 1/2 that altitude. However the were used early in the conflict to shootdown aircraft taking off and landing.

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The way I see it...
The Ukrainian Army used its Buk Missile system from Donetsk to try to frame the local Militia by moving the Buk missile system to a militia controlled area just prior to the launch/crash.

An Army controlled Ukrainian Su-24/25 fighter jet was used as the initial target for the Buk system (which has safeguards preventing it from directly targeting a commercial airliner such as MH17). Once the Buk missile system was in place on militia controlled land, the Su-24/25 fighter jet flys by and gets locked on. Once the Buk missile is fired (by the Ukrainian government, but on militia controlled land) it then chases the Su-24/25 fighter jet, which quickly gains altitude and flies in a general path towards MH17. Shortly before impact the Su-24/25 fighter jet drops chaff, which is then hit by the Buk missile instead of the fighter jet. At the same time the Su-24/25 fighter jet then shoots a air-to-air Vympel R-60 missile (from ~3.5km away) at MH17, which mimics the original Buk missiles pathing and then ends up hitting the left engine of MH17 as if it were the Buk missile, causing MH17 to crash.

The Su-24/25 fighter jet then lands as if it was never there, and the Buk missile system is removed from militia controlled land and moved back to Donetsk where the Ukrainian Army denies it's involvement in the event and passes blame on to Russian militia instead.

And go figure...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Monday that Kiev has “strong evidence” of the causes of the MH17 crash.
“We know exactly the place [the surface-to-air missile was] launched, we know exactly the place where it hit the civilian plane and the place where the plane crashed.”


Ya because they are going to point all the attention to the Buk missile decoy that was purposely launched from militia controlled land to keep the public from learning the truth about what really happened...

It's amazing more people aren't seeing this event for what it was (they did the EXACT same bait and switch in Syria recently but using chemical weapons instead, and using the rebels to try to frame the government, instead of the government to frame the rebels... same shit different day).


Ukrainian Army Buk Missile System Transported to Militia-Held Area Just Prior to Crash
While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained...
“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe...
The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.
Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash, the military official said.


Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17
“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”


Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radar (which are part of the Buk system) activity increased prior to crash
"..there were 7 radars operating on July 15, 8 radars operating on July 16, and 9 radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found."

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: TruthNow88


All seems quite likely and very well could have happened except for those pesky tweets and intercepted transmissions from the rebels claiming they shot down a plane. If it wasn't for that, I'd almost believe it was done to frame the rebels.


If the US has the satellite images showing the missile launcher and the movement of it back across to the russian border now is the time to release the video images.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60388111


They did shoot down a plane, only it was the day before, not M17.
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No, pretty sure the transmission was referring to the commercial airline. They seemed pretty surprised to find it was a commercial plane and one of them claimed the cossacks did it.
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Fake, anyone else uses youtube vids get labeled a conspiracy nut, which is exactly what the US did this time.
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If so then what high altitude missile system shot down the previous aircraft.
2 Ukraine transport & a fighter jet were shot down at altitude a week or so before.
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Shoulder fired, those were.
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Nope manpads can't even reach 1/2 that altitude. However the were used early in the conflict to shootdown aircraft taking off and landing.
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Had to have been or the Ukrainians shot down their own stuff.
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Nice read OP.

I don't think they even shoot a buk missile, they didn't know how to operate it.

BUT YOU SIRE! You have a very good point here, maybe they did try to trick the pro russians into stealing a buk missile system so they could blame them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54026367


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
All evidence points to Russians, and they are making UBER effort in covering it up / blaming others.


It was the Russians.

End of story.
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Shill Alert!
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If so then what high altitude missile system shot down the previous aircraft.
2 Ukraine transport & a fighter jet were shot down at altitude a week or so before.
 Quoting: Phillip J. Fry


Shoulder fired, those were.
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Nope manpads can't even reach 1/2 that altitude. However the were used early in the conflict to shootdown aircraft taking off and landing.
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Had to have been or the Ukrainians shot down their own stuff.
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The highest hit for a strela2 is 6500ft. That is low altitude.

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

And RT (russia today) is a credibile source? Reporting what they are told or it's a long siberian vacation.
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so, does this mean the U.K. and U.S. Governments are lying douchebags?
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I have friends in high places and both said the satellites saw it all.

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