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Hypocritical criticism of IDF civilian casualties

 
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Hypocritical criticism of IDF civilian casualties
Israel's resultant minimal civilian casualties are basis the most surgical retaliation to any enemy -- here Hamas, Islamic Jihad and their allied groups -- fire in the history of warfare.


By comparison, the USA's Vietnam policy committed civilian casualties as a matter of its war policy ... and NO ONE gave a damn. Where were the critics?

Deaths caused by the American military

Estimated is that that American forces committed around 5,500 democidal killings between 1960 and 1972, from a range of between 4,000 and 10,000. Estimates for the number of North Vietnamese civilian deaths resulting from US bombing range from 50,000-65,000. Although information is sparse, American bombing in Cambodia is estimated to have killed between 40,000 and 150,000 civilians and combatants.

18.2 million gallons of Agent Orange (Dioxin) was sprayed by the U.S. military over more than 10% of Southern Vietnam,[as part of the U.S. herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971. Vietnam's government claimed that 400,000 people were killed or maimed as a result of after effects, and that 500,000 children were born with birth defects.

German historian Bernd Greiner mentions the following war crimes reported, and/or investigated by the Peers Commission and the Vietnam War Crimes Working Group, among other sources:
- Seven massacres officially confirmed by the American side. My Lai (4) and My Khe (4) claimed the largest number of victims with 420 and 90 respectively, and in five other places altogether about 100 civilians
were executed.
- Two further massacres were reported by soldiers who had taken part in them, one north of Duc Pho in Quang Ngai Province in the summer of 1968 (14 victims), another in Binh Dinh province on 20 July 1969 (25 victims).
- Tiger Force, a special operations force, murdered hundreds, possibly over a thousand, civilians.
- In the course of large-scale operations an unknown number of non-combatants were killed either accidentally or deliberately with some estimating more than 5,000 allegedly died in the course of Operation Speedy Express. Excluding deaths from artillery and air attacks, the total number of victims may have reached tens of thousands during the entire war.
- According to the 'Information Bureau of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam' (PRG), between April 1968 and the end of 1970 American ground troops killed about 6,500 civilians in the course of twenty-one operations either on their own or alongside their allies. Three of the massacres reported on the American side were not mentioned on the PRG list.

Nick Turse, in his 2013 book, Kill Anything that Moves, argues that a relentless drive toward higher body counts, a widespread use of free-fire zones, rules of engagement where civilians who ran from soldiers or helicopters could be viewed as Viet Cong, and a widespread disdain for Vietnamese civilians led to massive civilian casualties and endemic war crimes inflicted by U.S. troops. One example cited by Turse is Operation Speedy Express, an operation by the 9th Infantry Division, which was described by John Paul Vann as, in effect, "many My Lais".
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08/03/2014 05:18 PM
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Re: Hypocritical criticism of IDF civilian casualties
Furthermore, in just ONE of many U.S. Army Air Force B-29 raids on Tokyo, an estimated 80,000 civilians were killed. Of course, such also killed countless combatants, war making industry, munitions stockpiles, and command & control operations, same targets as IDF. The Japan Navy's submarine deck guns did fire at Ellwood, California damaging a pier, a derrick, and a pump house, and at Fort Stevens in Oregon. Nowhere near the well over 3,000+ missiles shot into Israel by Hamas and their terrorist allies since July. Total Japan civilian casualties from U.S. bombing during WWII were in excess of 500,000.

Regardless, residual civilian casualties are the baggage of war, and justified by THE LAW OF TOUGH, such being an international law whose definition is ... "If you don't like it, it's tough!"
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08/03/2014 05:24 PM
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Re: Hypocritical criticism of IDF civilian casualties
Historically it was always agreed that when there was war that armies would fight armies and no civilians would be bothered.

That all changed during the American Civil War when sherman burnt down Atlanta and marched to the Sea without any army opposing him. Sherman's soldiers made war on the civilian population burning their farms and homes all the way to the sea and then up to Charleston SC. No telling how many civilians were murdered, raped and tortured.

War on civilians has been "Standard Operating Procedure" all over the world ever since.

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08/03/2014 05:40 PM
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