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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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Names of divided Israel in different pairings in the bible:

Israel (northern kingdom) Judah (southern kingdom)
Jacob (northern kingdom) Israel(southern kingdom)
Ephraim(northern kingdom) Judah (southern kingdom)

The division of leadership will be divided just as the nation is divided, two families/kingdoms...two witnesses:

The northern kingdom will have a leader(Joseph/Ephraim)
The southern kingdom will have a leader(Judah)
These two leaders will be the two witnesses and they will be in charge of uniting these two kingdoms/families

Joseph is represented by the bullock/unicorn as is shown in deut 33 as smiting the people together bringing the lost 10 tribes together:

13 ¶ And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the Lord is his land for the sweetness of heaven, for the dew, and for the [m]depth lying beneath,
14 And for the sweet increase of the Sun, and for the sweet increase of the Moon,
15 And for thy sweetness of the top of the ancient mountains, and for the sweetness of the old hills,
16 And for the sweetness of the earth, and abundance therefore: and the good will of him that dwelt in the [n]bush, shall come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
17 His beauty shall be like his firstborn bullock, and his [o]horns as the horns of an unicorn: with them he shall smite the people together, even the ends of the world: these are also the ten thousands of Ephraim, and these are the thousands of Manasseh.

Joseph will recognize Judah but Judah will not recognize Joseph until Judahs purpose is accomplished:
Gen 42:8
King James Bible
And Joseph knew his brethren, but they knew not him.

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Judah is represented by the lion:

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There are two families just as Jacob was married to two wives:
Leah and Rachael and as ruth tells us the house of Israel was built by these two wives Rachel giving birth to Joseph the birthright holder and Leah giving birth to Judah the sceptre holder and these two will reunite all of Israel being used as that instrument in the hand of God:

Ruth 4:11:
And all the people that were in the gate, and the elders, said, We are witnesses. The LORD make the woman that is come into thine house like Rachel and like Leah, which two did build the house of Israel: and do thou worthily in Ephratah, and be famous in Bethlehem:

1 chronicles 5:2

Jubilee Bible 2000
For Judah prevailed above his brethren and was their prince, but the birthright was Joseph's:)

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The fact that Jacob’s two wives, Leah and Rachel, are spoken of as "building the House of Israel," of necessity divides the immediate household of Jacob into "two families." In Jeremiah 33:24 they are spoken of as "the two families which the Lord hath chosen." The Covenant promise of the BIRTHRIGHT was given to one of these families, and that of the SCEPTRE to the other family. Rachel was to be the mother of "thousands of millions" while Leah was to be the mother of royalty. Genesis 49:10 shows us that Judah represents the SCEPTRE family; and I Chronicles 5:2 tells us "THE BIRTHRIGHT is Joseph’s." Never try to apply a BIRTHRIGHT blessing to the Jews. Judah and the Jews were excluded from the BIRTHRIGHT promises, Joseph from the SCEPTRE. The BIRTHRIGHT people are not, and are never in the Scriptures called Jews.

In Ezekiel the 37th chapter we are told that "the two sticks" which are still separate, but which are yet to be reunited, represent Judah on the one hand, and Joseph and the "House of Israel" on the other. One of these sticks represents the SCEPTRE people and the other the BIRTHRIGHT people. Judah, the inheritor of the SCEPTRE, is only a half bother to Joseph, the inheritor of the BIRTHRIGHT. The SCEPTRE and the BIRTHRIGHT inheritors are "two-families" with different mothers. How could the distinction between the SCEPTRE and the BIRTHRIGHT families Judah and Israel be more emphatic?

Each leader will be leader of one of the two families. The two leaders will be Joseph and Judah as the northern kingdom inherits the birthright blessing and the southern kingdom inherits the sceptre blessing

Two families two leaders....Judah the king and Joseph the "prime minister"(high priest) each destined to rule in the 1000 year millennium and then sit as prince of priests(Joseph) and prince of kings(Judah/David) on the left and right of Jesus in the new heaven and new earth for all eternity!
Joseph converses with Judah:

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Christ fulfilled both the roles of King and Priest

High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek in fact

how?

His mother Marys parents were one each from both the tribes of Judah and Levite

just that simple
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I just want to know if David is coming back as a King. Or possibly as a witness. I feel this is my birthright and that he should stand as an earthly King down deeply in my heart.
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Hi waterman. Hope you've been doing well. Interesting thread. I've thought about the northern and southern kingdom kinda in the same way you have, minus the two witnesses aspect. Didn't know much about that topic back then.

Have you ever thought about how easily it would be for people nowadays to try to replicate the events in the Bible and try to fulfill prophecy themselves by copying the "Playbook"? I think about this, and I think about how God must have "known" this too and He's steps ahead of them. I can't wait to see how He has orchestrated the whole thing for the good. It's going to be mind boggling. He's such a genius, beyond genius level, beyond comprehension. I think the book of Malachi plays into His grand scheme somehow, as do all His words.

Are we really meant to understand the final outcome or be left in the dark, hanging on faith? Is everything set in stone, or is there room for free will? I think that all the answers lie in the Bible, but for anyone to get too close to that kind of knowledge, they obviously have to go through the Fire. Paul had to endure his thorn in the flesh. Solomon was perplexed by too much wisdom. David sinned. Moses screwed up. Noah....

I'm really humbled by the mere fact that God even gives us the time of day, and I know that's my own sinful nature speaking. The Master of the Universe, of all things known and unknown, and to stoop to our level. Nothing in my life has gone the way I wanted, and yet I feel Him closer than ever. It's such a wonderful paradox, it makes me cry. Some might classify me as bipolar, for I've experienced the lowest of lows and the highest of highs (at least in my own puny mind), and always it circles back to me standing in awe and respect of Him who controls it all, despite my shortcomings. I still, to this day, cannot get over that simple fact that...He loves us in spite of. In spite of... He is incredible. Even those words sound stupid to describe Him.
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Christ fulfilled both the roles of King and Priest

High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek in fact

how?

His mother Marys parents were one each from both the tribes of Judah and Levite

just that simple
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Hebrews 7:14:
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For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Jesus is King and High Priest after the order of Melchelzedek which is higher than the levitic priesthood that will be in effect in the 1000 year millennium. The two witnesses after their death and resurrection will rule for 1000 years and the short season satan is loosed. One witness will rule the kingship(David/King) and the other witness will rule the priesthood(Joseph/Priest). The things of earth are a shadow of the things in heaven and the things of heaven are greater than the things of earth. You cannot have one person doing the levitic priesthood and davidic kingship otherwise it becomes a totally different preisthood which is called the Melchelzedek and the promise of the levitic priesthood promised to last as long as the covenant of the davidic king and the covenant of the sun and moon lasting is not fullfilled. Jeremiah 33 shows us the 3 covenants(promises)

1 Davidic kingship
2 Levitic priesthood
3 Sun and moon

Jeremiah 33:
17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

Ezekiel shows us there will be a levitic priesthood and davidic kingship on the earth in the millennium. Hebrews tells us if there is another priesthood in effect on earth that Jesus would not even be a priest therefore Jesus will remain in heaven at the right side of the father until the 1000 year millennium and the season satan is loosed and then at that time Jesus will make a new heaven and new earth and God will be the temple and dwell among men. Joseph sitting at Jesus' left as prince of priests and David sitting at Jesus' right as prince of kings being forever a prince as promised in Ezekiel.

We see in Revelation 21 the covenant of the sun and moon being broken therefore the covenant with David and Joseph can be broken so that the new heaven and new earth come and Jesus is KING AND PRIEST after the order of melchelzedek on earth and the two witnesses David and Joseph are sitting on the left and right as princes.


covenant of day and night broken when the new heaven and new earth are created and "THEN" Jesus will rule the new heaven and earth but until then David and Joseph will rule the 1000 year millennium plus the season satan is loosed because the covenant of day and night will not yet be broken we will still have the sun and moon in the sky.
Revelation 21:
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.




Hebrews showing Jesus will remain at the right hand of the Father in heaven during the 1000 year millennium when the levitic priesthood and davidic kingship is in effect:

Hebrews 8:
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
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Yes David will be King over all 12 tribes of Israel.
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Yes David will be King over all 12 tribes of Israel.
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Nice thread Waterman
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"Jesus is King and High Priest after the order of Melchelzedek which is higher than the levitic priesthood that will be in effect in the 1000 year millennium"

So if Jesus Christ is King and Priest above the Levitical priesthood, why would He reinstate the Levitical priesthood? Why would he move backwards from the spiritual to the physical copy?

Has He not been on the throne of David this entire time? If you sit on a throne, you are King. If you are King, you have the sceptre. You cannot be ON the throne without it.

But yet, your version refutes these things.
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Why did James write to the twelve tribes of Israel if they were not being reunited? Was he not aware of a "future plan" in 2000 years to reunite the tribes?

Joseph possessed the Kingdom. Judah was to bring forth the King.That King was brought forth and since thatt time, has been building His Kingdom.
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"Jesus is King and High Priest after the order of Melchelzedek which is higher than the levitic priesthood that will be in effect in the 1000 year millennium"

So if Jesus Christ is King and Priest above the Levitical priesthood, why would He reinstate the Levitical priesthood? Why would he move backwards from the spiritual to the physical copy?

Has He not been on the throne of David this entire time? If you sit on a throne, you are King. If you are King, you have the sceptre. You cannot be ON the throne without it.

But yet, your version refutes these things.
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King David's throne is in Westminster Abbey as is the lia fail stone. The kings and queens have been coronated on this throne.
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"Jesus is King and High Priest after the order of Melchelzedek which is higher than the levitic priesthood that will be in effect in the 1000 year millennium"

So if Jesus Christ is King and Priest above the Levitical priesthood, why would He reinstate the Levitical priesthood? Why would he move backwards from the spiritual to the physical copy?

Has He not been on the throne of David this entire time? If you sit on a throne, you are King. If you are King, you have the sceptre. You cannot be ON the throne without it.

But yet, your version refutes these things.
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You have a kingdom on earth during the 1000 year millennium plus the season satan is loosed and there are 2 covenants that are promised to last until the covenant of the sun and moon are voided.

1. The davidic kingship
2. The levitic preisthood

Scripture has to be fulfilled so there will be a davidic kingship and levitic preisthood while the covenant of the sun and moon is in effect as is promised in Jeremiah 33

Jesus tells us in John 18:35 his kingdom is not of this world so Jesus will sit on the throne of David in the new heaven and new earth:
Luke 1 tells us Jesus will be given the throne of David and rule over Jacob for ever and of his kingdom there shall be no end....If Jesus is on the throne of David now we know this heaven and earth pass away when the new heaven and new earth are created therefore Jesus is not yet on Davids throne but will allow the two witnesses to reign for 1000 years plus the season satan is loosed. One witness sitting on the throne of David during the 1000 year millenium and the other witness in charge of the Levitic priesthood.

Luke 1:

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 24:35:
King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Revelation 21:1:
King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


This is when Jesus will sit on the throne of David. When the new heaven and new earth are created. The ones that will never pass away

Covenants(levitic and davidic) and scripture have to be fulfilled and they will be before the new heaven and new earth are created after the 1000 year millennium and the season satan is loosed.

Jeremiah 33 shows us the 3 covenants...levitic..davidic and sun and moon covenant"

If david is on the throne and the sun and moon are shining then there will be a high preist to run the levitic priesthood that will not be david as you cannot mix levitic and davidic without it being melchelzedek priesthood cancelling out the levitic and therefore not fulfilling covenants and scripture and that will not happen.

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Notice how this translates the name High Priest as "the prince of the priests"




Acts:23:2

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And the prince of the priests, Ananias, commanded those that stood by him to smite him on the mouth.


certainly David is called the king of Israel and the prince but david is the prince of kings not the prince of priests

and is not David in charge of the kingly side of the kingdom and owns all the land

The prince of Ezekiel doing the sacrifices only owns a small portion of land

He will inherit a small parcel of land near the temple. This is the entire land granted to this prince. These Scriptures follow:

Ezekiel 45:6 "And ye shall appoint the possession of the city five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel . (7) And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion…"


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Ezekiel 44:3:

It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

eastern gate





Notice in verse seven the prince only receives a tiny portion of land. Is this the land for David, the King over all the earth? Psalms 2 clearly states that the David will inherit the entire earth, not just a small parcel of land in the nation of Israel :

Psalms 2:6 “Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (7) I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
(8) Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.”
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When you read prince don't always be so sure it is David because there is also the other witness that is called up hither also and he is surnamed the names of the priests....elijah.....joshua....aaron..etc and will be in charge of the sacrifices in the 1000 year millenium because you cant have a levitical priesthood without a High Priest(prince of priests)
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1 chronicles 5:2:
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)


Judah(David) is a prince but Joseph was also a prince and will be in charge of the levitic preisthood hence why there will be 2 witnesses and one of the many surnames of those two is:

Messiah ben David
Messiah ben Joseph

Judah(David)
Joseph

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the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
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the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61231136


Finally, some wisdom.

OP, you're a nasty person, and rude to boot. My spirit cannot stand you. Ick.
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Re: Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61231136


Finally, some wisdom.

OP, you're a nasty person, and rude to boot. My spirit cannot stand you. Ick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17856444


Have a nice day...come back some time if you find time

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and to think I was your biggest fan...lol:

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the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61231136


Finally, some wisdom.

OP, you're a nasty person, and rude to boot. My spirit cannot stand you. Ick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17856444


Have a nice day...come back some time if you find time

SmileyWink

and to think I was your biggest fan...lol:

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Whatever. I'm done with the deception on this forum, done with it ruining my life. I never fucking wanted to be here in the first place. It's a cesspool of shit and people that deceive you and shit on you and break your heart.
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Pardon my ignorance, but is this a thread about white Israelites?
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who lived thousands of years ago has nothing to do with today.... why live in the past?
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I just want to know if David is coming back as a King. Or possibly as a witness. I feel this is my birthright and that he should stand as an earthly King down deeply in my heart.
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david was a previous incarnation of Jesus.
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who lived thousands of years ago has nothing to do with today.... why live in the past?
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Let's just say for fun. Next year or the year after your country the greatest country and super-power in the world was destroyed and you were lucky enough not to have to die from pestilence or starvation. You are taken into captivity and made a slave through what I will call a furnace of affliction. How would you come out of that furnace. Would you seek God or would you curse God. The secret to widson is knowing that history repeats itself. God has 12 tribes of Israel. Only 2 are in geographical Israel today. Those other 10 tribes are going to have to go through the furnace of affliction before they join those other 2 and those other 2 are going to have to come to the realization Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Your world is repetative....day after day the same thing...but soon it will flip upside down and you won't know if today is the last day you live. There are no atheists in foxholes....prepare for you life to change because very soon it will. For the better or for the worse will be your choice.
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I just want to know if David is coming back as a King. Or possibly as a witness. I feel this is my birthright and that he should stand as an earthly King down deeply in my heart.
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david was a previous incarnation of Jesus.
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David sinned....Jesus never sinned therefore David was never a previous incarnation of Jesus
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the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61231136


Finally, some wisdom.

OP, you're a nasty person, and rude to boot. My spirit cannot stand you. Ick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17856444


Have a nice day...come back some time if you find time

SmileyWink

and to think I was your biggest fan...lol:

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Whatever. I'm done with the deception on this forum, done with it ruining my life. I never fucking wanted to be here in the first place. It's a cesspool of shit and people that deceive you and shit on you and break your heart.
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If opinions of people can ruin your life your putting too much power in the people in your life. You run your own life and you pick the people who don't tear you down because that can be exhausting and does you no good. Those people drain you and leave you feeling helpless. Seek God and everything else will be added to you. Let God be your rock.

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Re: Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
who lived thousands of years ago has nothing to do with today.... why live in the past?
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Let's just say for fun. Next year or the year after your country the greatest country and super-power in the world was destroyed and you were lucky enough not to have to die from pestilence or starvation. You are taken into captivity and made a slave through what I will call a furnace of affliction. How would you come out of that furnace. Would you seek God or would you curse God. The secret to widson is knowing that history repeats itself. God has 12 tribes of Israel. Only 2 are in geographical Israel today. Those other 10 tribes are going to have to go through the furnace of affliction before they join those other 2 and those other 2 are going to have to come to the realization Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Your world is repetative....day after day the same thing...but soon it will flip upside down and you won't know if today is the last day you live. There are no atheists in foxholes....prepare for you life to change because very soon it will. For the better or for the worse will be your choice.
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and lets just say, what if you have the wrong "God". then what happens?
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who lived thousands of years ago has nothing to do with today.... why live in the past?
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Let's just say for fun. Next year or the year after your country the greatest country and super-power in the world was destroyed and you were lucky enough not to have to die from pestilence or starvation. You are taken into captivity and made a slave through what I will call a furnace of affliction. How would you come out of that furnace. Would you seek God or would you curse God. The secret to widson is knowing that history repeats itself. God has 12 tribes of Israel. Only 2 are in geographical Israel today. Those other 10 tribes are going to have to go through the furnace of affliction before they join those other 2 and those other 2 are going to have to come to the realization Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Your world is repetative....day after day the same thing...but soon it will flip upside down and you won't know if today is the last day you live. There are no atheists in foxholes....prepare for you life to change because very soon it will. For the better or for the worse will be your choice.
Knowing the past is to know the future!
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and lets just say, what if you have the wrong "God". then what happens?
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God never changes and when the people of God turn away from God the furnace of affliction is on the way to bring the peoples hearts back to God....I'm sure I have the right God!

If you want to read Deuteronomy 28 you can see exactly what is in store for the nation that once knew God and then turned away from God and kicked God out of it's country....it's not very pretty.

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Re: Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
The two kingdoms were divided. 10 tribes in the north that came to be known as the House of Israel (or Ephraim) and the two tribes to the south that we're known as the House of Judah. Unfortunately, the House of Judah started worshipping other gods. As a result of Israel's unfaithfulness to God, God divorces the northern kingdom of Israel. (Jer 3:8 - "I divorce faithless Israel because of her adultery"). The Assyrians then come in and invade and conquer the House of Israel. As it was prophesied in Genesis 48:19 ("Manasseh will also become a great people, but his younger brother will become even greater. And his descendants will become a multitude of nations") the 10 northern tribes were 'lost' and scattered into many nations. However, the prophet Jeremiah says that the House of Israel will return and "they will bind themselves to the Lord with an eternal covenant that will never be forgotten.". (Jer 50:5).

This was a great mystery to the House of Judah (Jews). After all how can God re-enter into a covenant with adulterous Israel. Does not God's law state (Deut 24:4), "Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord.". As far as the House of Israel is concerned, they are cursed! They could never come back into covenant/marriage with God. After all, God IS the WORD. (John 1:1), and his law is holy, righteous and perfect.

So how, then, can The House of Israel enter into the new covenant of Jeremiah 31:31? ( - "The day is coming when I will make a new covenant with The people of Israel and Judah.....they broke that covenant , though I loved them as a husband loves his wife," says the Lord."). This puzzled the Jews for many centuries! After all, only death could make this law null and void.

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