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NY Times: Hospitals in the U.S. Get Ready for Ebola - However Hospital Administrators Are Questioning The Recommended Safety Protocols
Hospitals in the U.S. Get Ready for Ebola
Hospitals nationwide are hustling to prepare for the first traveler from West Africa who arrives in the emergency room with symptoms of infection with the Ebola virus.
Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has said such a case is inevitable in the United States, and the agency this month issued the first extensive guidelines for hospitals on how recognize and treat Ebola patients.
The recommendations touch on everything from the safe handling of lab specimens to effective isolation of suspected Ebola patients. But one piece of advice in particular has roused opposition from worried hospital administrators.
The C.D.C. says that health care workers treating Ebola patients need only wear gloves, a fluid-resistant gown, eye protection and a face mask to prevent becoming infected with the virus. That is a far cry from the head-to-toe “moon suits” doctors, nurses and aides have been seeing on television reports about the outbreak.
Some hospital officials are skeptical of the new advice. “It’s not going to be enough for my health care workers to feel comfortable going into an isolation room,” said Peggy Thompson, the director of infection prevention at Tampa General Hospital.

[link to www.nytimes.com]


If I were in their shoes I would feel the same as that is far from the recommended protocols for dealing with a VHF such as Ebola...

USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK - Sixth Edition - April 2005
VIRAL HEMORRHAGIC FEVER
Isolation and Decontamination:

All VHF patients should be cared for using strict contact precautions, including hand hygiene double gloves, gowns, shoe and leg coverings, and faceshield or goggles. Airborne precautions should be instituted to the maximum extent possible. At a minimum, a fit-tested, HEPA filter-equipped respirator(such as an N-95 mask), a battery-powered, air-purifying respirator, or a positive pressure supplied air respirator should be worn by personnel sharing an enclosed space with or coming within six feet of a VHF patient. Multiple patients should be cohorted to a separate building or a ward with an isolated air-handling system. Ideally, VHF patients should be isolated in a negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour. Environmental decontamination is accomplished with hypochlorite or phenolic disinfectants.
[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]

Thread: CDC, Australian DoD & Nigerian Federal Ministry of Health & USAMRIID State That Ebola is an Aerosol Virus & Transmittable via Inhalation


We have seen how well these "recommended" safety protocols (which are not requiring a respirator) have worked in West Africa (which has about 10% of the victims being doctors/nurses that were following these exact same protocols being recommended for the US).

Thread: Another Doctor Working to Control Ebola Dies in Sierra Leone (How are Doctors/Nurses ~10% of the Victims?)

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Hospitals in the U.S. Get Ready for Ebola
Hospitals nationwide are hustling to prepare for the first traveler from West Africa who arrives in the emergency room with symptoms of infection with the Ebola virus.
Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has said such a case is inevitable in the United States, and the agency this month issued the first extensive guidelines for hospitals on how recognize and treat Ebola patients.
The recommendations touch on everything from the safe handling of lab specimens to effective isolation of suspected Ebola patients. But one piece of advice in particular has roused opposition from worried hospital administrators.
The C.D.C. says that health care workers treating Ebola patients need only wear gloves, a fluid-resistant gown, eye protection and a face mask to prevent becoming infected with the virus. That is a far cry from the head-to-toe “moon suits” doctors, nurses and aides have been seeing on television reports about the outbreak.
Some hospital officials are skeptical of the new advice. “It’s not going to be enough for my health care workers to feel comfortable going into an isolation room,” said Peggy Thompson, the director of infection prevention at Tampa General Hospital.

[link to www.nytimes.com]


If I were in their shoes I would feel the same as that is far from the recommended protocols for dealing with a VHF such as Ebola...

USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK - Sixth Edition - April 2005
VIRAL HEMORRHAGIC FEVER
Isolation and Decontamination:

All VHF patients should be cared for using strict contact precautions, including hand hygiene double gloves, gowns, shoe and leg coverings, and faceshield or goggles. Airborne precautions should be instituted to the maximum extent possible. At a minimum, a fit-tested, HEPA filter-equipped respirator(such as an N-95 mask), a battery-powered, air-purifying respirator, or a positive pressure supplied air respirator should be worn by personnel sharing an enclosed space with or coming within six feet of a VHF patient. Multiple patients should be cohorted to a separate building or a ward with an isolated air-handling system. Ideally, VHF patients should be isolated in a negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour. Environmental decontamination is accomplished with hypochlorite or phenolic disinfectants.
[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]

Thread: CDC, Australian DoD & Nigerian Federal Ministry of Health & USAMRIID State That Ebola is an Aerosol Virus & Transmittable via Inhalation


We have seen how well these "recommended" safety protocols have worked in West Africa (which has about 10% of the victims being doctors/nurses that were following these exact same protocols being recommended for the US).

Thread: Another Doctor Working to Control Ebola Dies in Sierra Leone (How are Doctors/Nurses ~10% of the Victims?)
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Don't know what happened to this OP, but the warning fits here... Thread: They're getting ready

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Don't know what happened to this OP, but the warning fits here... Thread: They're getting ready

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Well truth is the virus is likely already in several different countries outside of the 4 they are talking about, but any cases outside of those areas are being kept hush hush. Every once in a while however someone tries to let the cat out of the bag, but it is mostly ignored.

Thread: Liberian Minister of Internal Affairs Claims 1 Ebola Death in Morocco - French MP and Mayor Claims Several Ebola Cases in France

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People will panic. The virus will be the least of our worries.
It will tip over now.
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These recommendations are outrageous, considering how many healthcare workers have died even with full PPE!!! WTH?? Not shutting passenger flights and now this... What will it take to make people realize they want it to spread here???


From the same article, and thankful these folks have enough sense not to listen to Frieden...


Some hospital officials are skeptical of the new advice. “It’s not going to be enough for my health care workers to feel comfortable going into an isolation room,” said Peggy Thompson, the director of infection prevention at Tampa General Hospital.

...

The Ebola virus is spread through contact with body fluids, such as those in blood, sweat, saliva or feces. While it is not an airborne virus like the flu, contaminated droplets can be released briefly into the air during procedures performed on infected patients, such as the insertion of a breathing tube. In that case, the C.D.C. recommends the use of air-purifying respirators.

(This is BS... You can see even on the CDC website that 3 feet/ same room poses a risk...)

...

But Dr. Michael V. Callahan, an infectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital who has worked in Africa during Ebola outbreaks, does not think it is wrong for hospitals to opt for more protective equipment.

The minimal precautions recommended by the C.D.C. “led to the infection of my nurses and physician co-workers who came in contact with body fluids,” Dr. Callahan said. “I understand the desire to maintain absolute protection in U.S. hospitals.”

...

Dr. Justin Fairless, an emergency physician in Tulsa, Okla., said that health care workers in Africa “are wearing the highest level of protection, but the C.D.C. recommendation lets us go down to the lowest level of protection.”

Dr. Fairless is considering buying his own air-purifying respirator to pair with a head-to-toe coverall. “I am not comfortable going to see an Ebola patient wearing a paper mask that doesn’t cover my entire face,” he said.


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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!
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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!
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Anyone that thinks this virus (especially in it's late stages) doesn't require a respirator for treatment is just asking to fucking die... The fact that the CDC is specifically going against this simple fact shows me that not only do they want this to spread, but they want the medical staff across the country to take a very hard hit early (just like in Africa), which is a great way to help ensure that the nations healthcare system as a whole is cripple/overwhelmed that much quicker, and ensures the continued spread of the virus as required.

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These recommendations are outrageous, considering how many healthcare workers have died even with full PPE!!! WTH?? Not shutting passenger flights and now this... What will it take to make people realize they want it to spread here???


From the same article, and thankful these folks have enough sense not to listen to Frieden...


Some hospital officials are skeptical of the new advice. “It’s not going to be enough for my health care workers to feel comfortable going into an isolation room,” said Peggy Thompson, the director of infection prevention at Tampa General Hospital.

...

The Ebola virus is spread through contact with body fluids, such as those in blood, sweat, saliva or feces. While it is not an airborne virus like the flu, contaminated droplets can be released briefly into the air during procedures performed on infected patients, such as the insertion of a breathing tube. In that case, the C.D.C. recommends the use of air-purifying respirators.

(This is BS... You can see even on the CDC website that 3 feet/ same room poses a risk...)

...

But Dr. Michael V. Callahan, an infectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital who has worked in Africa during Ebola outbreaks, does not think it is wrong for hospitals to opt for more protective equipment.

The minimal precautions recommended by the C.D.C. “led to the infection of my nurses and physician co-workers who came in contact with body fluids,” Dr. Callahan said. “I understand the desire to maintain absolute protection in U.S. hospitals.”

...

Dr. Justin Fairless, an emergency physician in Tulsa, Okla., said that health care workers in Africa “are wearing the highest level of protection, but the C.D.C. recommendation lets us go down to the lowest level of protection.”

Dr. Fairless is considering buying his own air-purifying respirator to pair with a head-to-toe coverall. “I am not comfortable going to see an Ebola patient wearing a paper mask that doesn’t cover my entire face,” he said.


...

Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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Who in their right mind would feel safe wearing just a mask, goggles, gloves and a long gown? I am hoping our hospital staff will say GTFO and refuse to put themselves at this risk. If they are following this insanity at Emory right now- it's only a matter of time- the most 21.....
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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!
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Anyone that thinks this virus (especially in it's late stages) doesn't require a respirator for treatment is just asking to fucking die... The fact that the CDC is specifically going against this simple fact shows me that not only do they want this to spread, but they want the medical staff across the country to take a very hard hit early (just like in Africa), which is a great way to help ensure that the nations healthcare system as a whole is cripple/overwhelmed that much quicker, and ensures the continued spread of the virus as required.
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Yes, it seems they want our medical personnel to take a big hit- get rid of our educated and trained medical professionals. I can't imagine many of them buying this though. No respirator and not covered head to toe- BS.
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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!


Unless, the patients are recovered to the point of not spreading the disease anymore? Their blood must show that the meds have decreased the ebola to a certain level- that would explain the relaxing of the suits, not that the CDC guidelines just came out.
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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!
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Unless, the patients are recovered to the point of not spreading the disease anymore? Their blood must show that the meds have decreased the ebola to a certain level- that would explain the relaxing of the suits, not that the CDC guidelines just came out.


That could be - but in the context of this article it is misleading. They should state why they chose to do that.

I read another article where an Emory doctor said that Brantly is going home soon and can no longer infect anyone. Not a peep about the long term presence in semen.
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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61728753


Anyone that thinks this virus (especially in it's late stages) doesn't require a respirator for treatment is just asking to fucking die... The fact that the CDC is specifically going against this simple fact shows me that not only do they want this to spread, but they want the medical staff across the country to take a very hard hit early (just like in Africa), which is a great way to help ensure that the nations healthcare system as a whole is cripple/overwhelmed that much quicker, and ensures the continued spread of the virus as required.
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Yes, it seems they want our medical personnel to take a big hit- get rid of our educated and trained medical professionals. I can't imagine many of them buying this though. No respirator and not covered head to toe- BS.
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1. Kill off those with direct knowledge
Well you know how a huge amount of top virologists have died over the past few months/years under VERY suspicious circumstances (one of which just happens to of been on flight MH17, and specifically worked with the Tulane University Lassa/Ebola program at Kenema Government Hospital, which IMO is where this whole outbreak started), well that was to get rid of the people that had direct knowledge of the viruses created (via Fort Detrick via USAMRIID).

2. Kill off VHF specialists
Next a few other specialists with a high understanding of the specific virus type (but not direct knowledge of its bioengineered creation), were then sent to the infected countries to "fight the virus", only to of been killed by the virus themselves (gee go figure).

3. Kill off (or scare away) trained/equipped medical staff
The next phase would then require a large number of those with the skills and equipment to contain an outbreak in each region (aka hospitals) to take a large hit early on so that individual treatment efforts become impossible and the virus spreads beyond the ability to contain, which would then require a much larger and extreme methods to be implemented (aka lockdowns, aka food rationing, aka door to door vaccination...).

The truth is this is a BSL4 virus, and no country in the world is capable of containing the virus in any real way if it were to spread to a large enough number of the population.

Welcome to the decade of vaccines...
Thread: Aren't We So Lucky! We Get To Live In The Gates Foundation Decade of Vaccines - The Global Vaccine Action Plan (Global Immunization by 2020)

and welcome to the NWO...
Thread: Order Out Of Chaos: The Ebola Outbreak Is The Perfect Scenario For The Elite To Use To Implement Their NWO System
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Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.”

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that last paragraph should scare the hell out of everyone!!!
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Unless, the patients are recovered to the point of not spreading the disease anymore? Their blood must show that the meds have decreased the ebola to a certain level- that would explain the relaxing of the suits, not that the CDC guidelines just came out.
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That is what is extra ridiculous about this... they are using the recovering doctor from Emory as the justification for this drop in safety protocol... This is a man that had already taken their "mad scientist cure", and likely wasn't highly contagious anymore (up till that point they were wearing the fuckin "were going to MARS" gear).

If they use that same logic on a new patient coming in that is in the late stages of the virus, and hasn't been given anything to fight it, then they are going to get a COMPLETELY different outcome, and the entire staff would be infected before anyone showed a single sign of having the virus.

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at the very least.. if this goes as bad as it can, in triage, you should have immediate tri-room seclusion zones....
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Now you know you're being sold out. It's about the money. It's very expensive to outfit health care workers in these head to toe outfits . How are they ever going to transmit this illness to the general population if the health care workers are truly protected ?
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when this Worldwide Pandemic starts rolling, 95% of the medical professionals
will refuse to treat the Ebola People, and flee the facilities.
this will cause all the Medical Facilities to become rapidly overwhelmed,
and then we are Truly Fucked.
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This fall and winter should be interesting.

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when this Worldwide Pandemic starts rolling, 95% if the medical professionals
will refuse to treat the Ebola People, and flee the facilities.
this will cause all the Medical Facilities to become rapidly overwhelmed,
and then we are Truly Fucked.
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Yup, and they have already started the conditioning so they can soon deem any cures that aren't deemed officially accepted, as being illegal.

Basics:
-Nigeria stats it will try Nanosilver on Lagos victims.
-WHO approves this as acceptable.
-US FDA deems Nanosilver as a pesticide.
-Nigeria pulls back using Nanosilver.
-WHO retracts statement of using Nanosilver
-US warns against use of "false cures"
Thread: Nigeria: Ebola - FG Okays Nanosilver to Treat Patients - Update: US Warns Against Use as FDA Deems Nanosilver a "Pesticide"

Next they will consider anything outside of the toxic vaccine deemed fit as illegal. I guess if ZMAP, Tekmira, BioLeaf or GlaxoSmithKline don't make it, it ain't a cure...

I also love how it got shot down before it could even be used... lol that part cracks me up the most.

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Defenseless: Outrage in Nigeria as government fires 16,000 doctors on strike despite Ebola crisis – death toll hits 1,145
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It really is amazing that some people still don't see how planned this whole event is.I am just in awe watching this whole event take place to be honest (so predictable... so planned).
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If you were feeling ill, didn't think it was Ebola, and wanted to go to the hospital, what would you think if you learned everyone there was dressed in level 4 bio-suits? Would you still want to go? Would you not feel ill prepared showing up in normal clothing? Is there not a good chance you would be exposed to whatever the hospital worker were trying to shield themselves from?

In the end all this will do, is help the contagion spread more rapidly.
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Three possibilities:

1. It doesn't matter how much protection one wears in the hospital, they already know its going to be really airborne as in technically airborne.

2. They are downplaying for all its worth trying to stymie a flood of panic.

3. We have elected fools and idiots into leadership who have appointed morons and insane individuals for the various departments.

Pick one.
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My favorite quote from that was

“Just in case,”

Just in case? Not like it was already brought here or something. But hey, let's make this look like we're trying.. “Just in case,”
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they never got mrsa under control,now they claim they can handle this stuff ,good luck
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This isn't the first time I have read a directive by Frieden lately and thought it was bizarre and counterintuitive.

What exactly is this guy's background, and is there an agenda? From what I've seen just on a quick search he looks like a community organizer for the medical world, and seems to run in the same circles as Gates Foundation, etc.
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This isn't the first time I have read a directive by Frieden lately and thought it was bizarre and counterintuitive.

What exactly is this guy's background, and is there an agenda? From what I've seen just on a quick search he looks like a community organizer for the medical world, and seems to run in the same circles as Gates Foundation, etc.
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It's amazing when you look into this whole event how much Gates & Soros come up. Isn't in convenient that they are also the ones behind the "Decade of Vaccines" program which states that it will vaccinate the entire globe by 2020.

All just coincidences!
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This isn't the first time I have read a directive by Frieden lately and thought it was bizarre and counterintuitive.

What exactly is this guy's background, and is there an agenda? From what I've seen just on a quick search he looks like a community organizer for the medical world, and seems to run in the same circles as Gates Foundation, etc.
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[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

Quite a strong record for raising awareness for changing behavior to improve health. Many of his accomplishments involve fine tuning post pandemic policies or recommendations after a health risk has been identified.

I can see why Obama appointed him: his resume is strong and he operates his power according to liberal paradigms.

His ability to relay important information to dictate positive change is unquestionable.

HOWEVER

He isn't cut out for the front lines of an epidemic and doesn't have a strong procedural containment record. Ebola is too dangerous to exclude more aggressive measures.

I sense the information he is basing his reports, to be based on prior outbreaks, that were eventually contained.

It is as if he is channeling the bravado of Joe McCormick who, in contract, had significant lost art ability to dance with a pandemic up close.

You can't expect to win Olympic gold in any sport by just observing the success of other athletes.

I remain convinced there is no agenda other than Ebola's ability to evolve past the current hubris of Obama and the health policy in place to combat it.
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Remember the summit that Obama had with 50 African leaders a few weeks ago? He knew people were dying from Ebola in Africa, yet he insisted of having the summit....

What was Obama's purpose? This:

AUGUST 5

U.S.-Africa Business Forum

"....a day focused on strengthening trade and financial ties between the United States and Africa."

"...the U.S.-Africa Business Forum aimed to intensify efforts to strengthen trade and financial ties between the United States and Africa, and to create partnerships that will promote trade, accelerate job growth, and encourage investment."

"The Forum focused on U.S. private-sector engagement in Africa in the areas of finance and capital investment; infrastructure; power and energy; agriculture; consumer goods; and information and communication technology. African leaders engaged with business executives from both sides of the Atlantic in conversations about successes and solutions to increase trade with and invest in Africa."

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This isn't the first time I have read a directive by Frieden lately and thought it was bizarre and counterintuitive.

What exactly is this guy's background, and is there an agenda? From what I've seen just on a quick search he looks like a community organizer for the medical world, and seems to run in the same circles as Gates Foundation, etc.
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THIS!

If it breaks loose...well, nice knowing all of you. I give us another six weeks before it is well and truly popping off in the US. I think Europe and China are next, and we will get it on the chin after that.





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