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DeadManWalkin' User ID: 25544022 United States 08/16/2014 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The minute I hear we have an Ebola patient in-house, I'm a gone muthahumpa. Straight to the parking lot, leaving my mask, gown, gloves, & shoe covers laying in the dirt. -.. . .- -.. / -- .- -. / .-- .- .-.. -.- .. -. --. Omnes vulnerant, ultima necat |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61572495 Germany 08/16/2014 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bio informatics work primarily like computer informatics. Only difference is that genes have a quite different code. If this was a lab escape no one can stop it. The virus will evolve and be hosted in passive manner in some cases. You know how many billion sequences there are in our DNA/RNA? Game over. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33560264 United States 08/16/2014 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The minute I hear we have an Ebola patient in-house, I'm a gone muthahumpa. Quoting: DeadManWalkin' Straight to the parking lot, leaving my mask, gown, gloves, & shoe covers laying in the dirt. :fuckit: Our hospital has had no communications about this, has your hospital? Sure, infection control and ourselves have talked about the 'what if', but no definite communications. Lab reportables already handle the HL7 straight to state/fed. |
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SarahC User ID: 12277895 United Kingdom 08/16/2014 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I imagine it's because there wont be enough space-suits to care for everyone coming through the doors. So to stop panic spreading..... they specify some precautions ALL hospitals can take easily. It sure beats the hospital advisory: "You NEED space-suits or you're fucked. We know you don't have more than 4. Sucks for ya! Bye!" |
SarahC User ID: 12277895 United Kingdom 08/16/2014 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hah, where've you been? Sweat is infectious. Sputum (bloody) is infectious. People touch there face 3000 times a day. The virus can get in through the lips, mouth, eyelids, and conjunctiva. It'd be a BSL 3 virus if it was so hard to catch. |
Anu, father of Enki User ID: 57058081 United States 08/16/2014 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hah, where've you been? Sweat is infectious. Sputum (bloody) is infectious. People touch there face 3000 times a day. The virus can get in through the lips, mouth, eyelids, and conjunctiva. It'd be a BSL 3 virus if it was so hard to catch. Then I would recommend not licking the patients, other than that minimal protection should suffice. You GLPers are a suspicious bunch. Now trust me on this... I ordered the destruction of mankind, why are you still here? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50023508 United States 08/16/2014 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hhmmm. This can't be good. It appears that a time of unrest may be near.. and not a racial, fake engineered one. So what happens when someone is found with Ebola? Won't they practically have to start doing massive quarantine? Wouldn't that be the end of the economy and any desire to trade Ebola dollars? Won't mass panic ensue? Power grid? UN peacekeeping? Well good thing they did such a good job with the quarantine efforts in Africa on this one. Peace |
TruthNow88 User ID: 59148062 Canada 08/16/2014 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hah, where've you been? Sweat is infectious. Sputum (bloody) is infectious. People touch there face 3000 times a day. The virus can get in through the lips, mouth, eyelids, and conjunctiva. It'd be a BSL 3 virus if it was so hard to catch. Then I would recommend not licking the patients, other than that minimal protection should suffice. You GLPers are a suspicious bunch. Now trust me on this... Sigh... Australia Group Common Control List Handbook – Volume II - V13.Ebola virus Exposure / Infection Routes: -Inhalation (lungs): Aerosols Human Transmissibility: -Yes (direct and respiratory) Human-to human transfer usually occurs through direct contact with bodily fluids from an infected individual though aerosol transmission can occur between individuals in close proximity to one another. [link to www.defence.gov.au] Federal Ministry of Health Abuja, Nigeria - Ebola Virus Disease Fact Sheet How is Ebola Virus Disease spread? 6.Inhalation of contaminated air in hospital environment; [link to www.health.gov.ng] CDC defines transmission for Ebola as follows. 1 Casual contact is defined as a) being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) or within the room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., healthcare personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations); or b) having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD case while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations). At this time, brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute casual contact. * Outbreak affected countries include Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Lagos, Nigeria, as of 4-August-2014 [link to www.cdc.gov] USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK - Sixth Edition - April 2005 VIRAL HEMORRHAGIC FEVER Isolation and Decontamination: All VHF patients should be cared for using strict contact precautions, including hand hygiene double gloves, gowns, shoe and leg coverings, and faceshield or goggles. Airborne precautions should be instituted to the maximum extent possible. At a minimum, a fit-tested, HEPA filter-equipped respirator(such as an N-95 mask), a battery-powered, air-purifying respirator, or a positive pressure supplied air respirator should be worn by personnel sharing an enclosed space with or coming within six feet of a VHF patient. Multiple patients should be cohorted to a separate building or a ward with an isolated air-handling system. Ideally, VHF patients should be isolated in a negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour. Environmental decontamination is accomplished with hypochlorite or phenolic disinfectants. [link to www.dhhr.wv.gov] "Fuck the American regime change policy... Pardon me... I mean fuck our gift of democracy!" [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to soundcloud.com (secure)] |
Overcomer777 User ID: 61686635 Ireland 08/16/2014 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has everyone else lost their mind? They are bringing infected Ebola people into your nations and nobody seems to think this strange. And the stupid sheep just comply. Baaaaaa. Last Edited by Overcomer777 on 08/16/2014 02:15 PM To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:21 The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found! [link to stevenmcollins.com] Saul/Paul, the false Apostle. [link to www.judaismvschristianity.com] [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] Isaiah 8:20King James Version (KJV) 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Proof that the Law of Moses/Eternal Holy Covenant that God made with our ancestors and us is still in effect. [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, ABOVE ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Deuteronomy 7:6 Is the word of God 'racist'? White chosen Israel is SUPERIOR!!! Deal with it. The promised blessings and curses of Deuteronomy 28 [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] "What is it?" "It's a countdown." The writings on the wall!!! ;) :Blood moon777: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49136483 United States 08/16/2014 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I imagine it's because there wont be enough space-suits to care for everyone coming through the doors. Quoting: SarahC So to stop panic spreading..... they specify some precautions ALL hospitals can take easily. It sure beats the hospital advisory: "You NEED space-suits or you're fucked. We know you don't have more than 4. Sucks for ya! Bye!" ^^^^This. Might be a real good time to invest in 3M (makers of N100 masks) and DuPont (makers of Tyvek suits). No, not the stocks. I mean the actual products they manufacture. |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 22113394 Canada 08/16/2014 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hah, where've you been? Sweat is infectious. Sputum (bloody) is infectious. People touch there face 3000 times a day. The virus can get in through the lips, mouth, eyelids, and conjunctiva. It'd be a BSL 3 virus if it was so hard to catch. Then I would recommend not licking the patients, other than that minimal protection should suffice. You GLPers are a suspicious bunch. Now trust me on this... Ewww! Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Epic Beard Guy User ID: 59460697 United States 08/16/2014 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They get the space suit, but we only need a fucking gown and face mask! It must be because we are so much more healthy than them to begin with. Since that is their recommendation, I say they should set the example and start handling the virus without all their protective gear. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen. They obviously think we are all stupid! If you could safely work around ebola without all the gear, I doubt they would go to all that trouble and expense. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
Anu, father of Enki User ID: 57058081 United States 08/16/2014 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can all post links... Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures). [link to www.who.int] Now really... Last Edited by Anu, father of Enki on 08/16/2014 02:16 PM I ordered the destruction of mankind, why are you still here? |
Kezar Stanyan User ID: 59847208 United States 08/16/2014 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The minute I hear we have an Ebola patient in-house, I'm a gone muthahumpa. Quoting: DeadManWalkin' Straight to the parking lot, leaving my mask, gown, gloves, & shoe covers laying in the dirt. Our hospital has had no communications about this, has your hospital? Sure, infection control and ourselves have talked about the 'what if', but no definite communications. Lab reportables already handle the HL7 straight to state/fed. I'm curious, too. “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the blah, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 1:16-17 You can't defend your home with an iPod, gaming console, or nabi. |
Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/16/2014 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can all post links... Quoting: Anu, father of Enki Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures). [link to www.who.int] Now really... So how do you figure you can't catch it from casual contact then? How do you define casual contact? Are you familiar with fomite transmission? You are aware that average person touches their face 3-5 times per minute? It is believed that a single particle of the virus is enough to cause infection. It can exist outside the body for days, dried infected material can be infectious in a clinical setting. Spit on door handles, sweat on sheets, shaking hands, being to close... Outside of a clinical setting without full PPE, it can certainly be caught by casual contact, no licking required. |
Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/16/2014 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My employers have recommended full PPE, basically whatever we have available, gloves, respirator, face shied, goggles, gown etc., on any suspected contact. Plus reverse isolation (n95 on the patient), and then to contact our "Technical Advisor Immediately". The Technical Advisor is the regional CBRNE specialists. Sounds a little more serious that TB, or H1N1 which I have dealt with many times before without calling the Technical Advisor... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60426196 United Kingdom 08/16/2014 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you trying to use that link to prove the following point? Then I would recommend not licking the patients, other than that minimal protection should suffice. Quoting: Anu, father of Enki You GLPers are a suspicious bunch. Now trust me on this... Ebola then spreads in the community through human-to-human transmission, with infection resulting from direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and indirect contact with environments contaminated with such fluids. So, the link that you used to try to 'prove' your original assertion contradicts the assertion completely. You can't be serious? |
Anu, father of Enki User ID: 57058081 United States 08/16/2014 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can all post links... Quoting: Anu, father of Enki Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures). [link to www.who.int] Now really... So how do you figure you can't catch it from casual contact then? How do you define casual contact? Are you familiar with fomite transmission? You are aware that average person touches their face 3-5 times per minute? It is believed that a single particle of the virus is enough to cause infection. It can exist outside the body for days, dried infected material can be infectious in a clinical setting. Spit on door handles, sweat on sheets, shaking hands, being to close... Outside of a clinical setting without full PPE, it can certainly be caught by casual contact, no licking required. Good hygiene, do not touch your nose, mouth, ears, or eyes without first washing your hands. I ordered the destruction of mankind, why are you still here? |
Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/16/2014 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I imagine it's because there wont be enough space-suits to care for everyone coming through the doors. Quoting: SarahC So to stop panic spreading..... they specify some precautions ALL hospitals can take easily. It sure beats the hospital advisory: "You NEED space-suits or you're fucked. We know you don't have more than 4. Sucks for ya! Bye!" This is exactly correct. They do not have space suits for everyone... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53243765 United States 08/16/2014 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The CDC has zero credibility. None. Listening to them is like listening to CNN. The CDC is owned and operated by the elite. Just another pawn in the game. Albeit a dangerous one. "Disease control" is a misnomer. "Disease breeding and spreading" is more apt. Think of the CDC as a Nazi facility. |
Anu, father of Enki User ID: 57058081 United States 08/16/2014 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you trying to use that link to prove the following point? Then I would recommend not licking the patients, other than that minimal protection should suffice. Quoting: Anu, father of Enki You GLPers are a suspicious bunch. Now trust me on this... Ebola then spreads in the community through human-to-human transmission, with infection resulting from direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and indirect contact with environments contaminated with such fluids. So, the link that you used to try to 'prove' your original assertion contradicts the assertion completely. You can't be serious? Of course I can be serious. But there is no need for panic. Wash your hands, don't touch your face before doing so. Live happy. And if all else fails, there will soon be a vaccine. I ordered the destruction of mankind, why are you still here? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60426196 United Kingdom 08/16/2014 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can all post links... Quoting: Anu, father of Enki Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures). [link to www.who.int] Now really... So how do you figure you can't catch it from casual contact then? How do you define casual contact? Are you familiar with fomite transmission? You are aware that average person touches their face 3-5 times per minute? It is believed that a single particle of the virus is enough to cause infection. It can exist outside the body for days, dried infected material can be infectious in a clinical setting. Spit on door handles, sweat on sheets, shaking hands, being to close... Outside of a clinical setting without full PPE, it can certainly be caught by casual contact, no licking required. We're probably fools for taking someone role-playing as "Anu, father of Enki" seriously but it is good to have people play devil's advocate. The only problem is...a lot of these people aren't playing devil's advocate, they're actually devils. |
Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/16/2014 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can all post links... Quoting: Anu, father of Enki Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures). [link to www.who.int] Now really... So how do you figure you can't catch it from casual contact then? How do you define casual contact? Are you familiar with fomite transmission? You are aware that average person touches their face 3-5 times per minute? It is believed that a single particle of the virus is enough to cause infection. It can exist outside the body for days, dried infected material can be infectious in a clinical setting. Spit on door handles, sweat on sheets, shaking hands, being to close... Outside of a clinical setting without full PPE, it can certainly be caught by casual contact, no licking required. Good hygiene, do not touch your nose, mouth, ears, or eyes without first washing your hands. Unfortunately untrained people are pretty much incapable of sufficient hygiene in a public setting. Most people aren't even conscious of touching their face 3-5 times a minute, it's generally reflexive. Most people do not wash their hands or sanitize them every minute, or after every contact. Plus droplet transmission is a possibility, as well as entry through open wounds. Which most people have at least a scratch somewhere on exposed skin. |