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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7849017 United States 08/19/2014 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, I was reading through the Bible commentary in my Douay-Rheims, commentary that was originally compiled by Catholic priest and biblical scholar Rev. George Leo Haydock (1774-1849) and which is based on Haydock's notes as they appear in the 1859 edition of Haydock's Catholic Family Bible and Commentary printed by Edward Dunigan and Brother, New York, New York. And I came across this curious reference (bolded below): Quoting: FreakObserver "St. Irenæus calls this second beast armigerum primœ, and takes notice that he is also called in other places of the Apocalypse (Chap. xvi. 13. and xix. 20. and xx. 10.) the false prophet, pseudopropheta of the first beast. By what is said in this chapter, this second beast must live and act at the same time with the first; for it is said, ver. 12, that he exercised all the power of the former beast in his sight, enopion autou; and again, ver. 14, that he did wonders in the sight of the first beast, enopion tou theriou. 2. It is said that this second beast made all that dwelt on the earth adore the first beast. 3. That he made all persons make an image to the first beast, that was wounded and cured, and that they should be slain who adored not that image. 4. He caused that all persons should have the character of the first beast, and the number of his name, i.e. of the name of the first beast. All those who hold that the first beast in this chapter is antichrist, who is to come a little before the end of the world, hold in like manner that the second beast is not come, but will also come at the same time; and that he is to be a famous imposter and false prophet in antichrist's time. But they who hold the first beast not to be antichrist, but to be the idolatry of heathen Rome, by the second beast understand the philosophers and magicians, who were accustomed to raise the indignation of the pagan emperors against Christians. This exposition of the bishop of Meaux, and of divers Catholic interpreters, I shall here give in Dr. Hammond's words: "By the second beast is meant magic, auguries, and oracles of heathens, made use of to advance idol worship. This beast had two horns, two powers, with some resemblance of Christ, the Lamb; the power of doing some kind of miracles, even of making fire seem to come down from heaven, as Philostratus relates of Apollonius of Tyanea, (lib. v. chap. v.) and the pretended power of prophecy by dubious and obscure oracles; by which also they engaged the emperors to promote idolatry, and to make bloody edicts against Christianity, to force every one to join in their heathen worship, and to shew that they did so by exterior marks and signs, by tickets, to shew that they had sacrificed to idols, otherwise they should be incapable of buying and selling, i.e. of enjoying any particular advantages, or the common benefits of life." Dr. Hammond did not think it worth taking notice of, that so many writers of the pretended reformation would have the second beast to be a great many popes, whom they affirm to be the famous antichrist. Never was there a more groundless or a more malicious invention, without shadow of authority or reason, and evidently contradictory to both, which I may shew as occasion offers, and as far as these short notes will permit. Here I shall only touch upon what relates to that which is said in this chapter. 1. The late reformers, some of them, make the first beast the popish antichrist, (as we may see in the bishop of Meaux, and also in Dr. Wells) and some affirm this of the second beast. The two beasts are quite different: are they both the popish antichrist? 2. Some of them prove the popes to be the second beast, because the pope's mitre has a resemblance of his two horns: does this deserve an answer? See the bishop of Meaux. 3. Is it not as ridiculous to pretend that by fire coming from heaven, is meant the pope's excommunications? Is not the power of excommunication grounded in St. Paul? Do not the Protestants themselves own, and make use of this power? 4. Those Protestants who tell us the second beast is the popish antichrist, say that the first beast was the state of paganism in the Roman empire. This, as they own, was destroyed before the popes began to be antichrist: how does this agree with what is here said of the second beast, antichrist's armiger, that he exercised all his power in the sight and in the presence of the first beast? 5. How can they pretend that the popes ever ordered all to be slain who would not adore the first beast? (that is, heathen idols, or the images of heathen gods, of Jupiter, Mars, &c.) or who did not bear on his forehead or hand the character, the mark, or the number of some of their heathen gods or heathen emperors? 6. If the second beast be the popish antichrist, all those Protestants have been guilty of a grievous oversight, who have endeavoured to prove the popes antichrist, by finding the number 666 in their names, or in the word Lateinos; for it is evident by this chapter, (ver. 17) that the number of the name belongs to the first beast, and not to the second. 7. This contradicts what the Protestants teach with St. Paul (2 Thessalonians. ii.) that antichrist is to be the man of sin, who will make himself adored above all that is called or worshipped as God; whereas, in this place of the Apocalypse, the second beast does not make himself, but the first beast, to be adored. Therefore this second beast is not the popish antichrist. Of this more in the following chapters." This reference to the Antichrist's name - Lateinos - got me curious and so I set out find St. Irenaeus' original text that had been cross-referenced by Haydock. And here is what I found: "It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfilment of the prophecy, than to be making surmises, and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned; and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved. For if there are many names found possessing this number, it will be asked which among them shall the coming man bear. It is not through a want of names containing the number of that name that I say this, but on account of the fear of God, and zeal for the truth: for the name Evanthas contains the required number, but I make no allegation regarding it. Then also Lateinos has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence]. Teitan too, among all the names which are found among us, is rather worthy of credit. For it has in itself the predicted number, and is composed of six letters, each syllable containing three letters; and [the word itself] is ancient, and removed from ordinary use; for among our kings we find none bearing this name Titan, nor have any of the idols which are worshipped in public among the Greeks and barbarians this appellation. Among many persons, too, this name is accounted divine, so that even the sun is termed Titan by those who do now possess [the rule]. This word, too, contains a certain outward appearance of vengeance, and of one inflicting merited punishment because he (Antichrist) pretends that he vindicates the oppressed. And besides this, it is an ancient name, one worthy of credit, of royal dignity, and still further, a name belonging to a tyrant. Inasmuch, then, as this name Titan has so much to recommend it, there is a strong degree of probability, that from among the many [names suggested], we infer, that perchance he who is to come shall be called Titan. We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign." - St. Irenaeus' Against Heresies (Book V, Chapter 30) So, we have three rather cryptic clues as to the identity of the Antichrist: 1. Evanthas 2. Lateinos 3. Teitan St. Irenaeus felt they were worthy to mention, even though he couldn't solve the riddle. Any thoughts on what these words signify? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 61876271 United States 08/19/2014 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | his name is no secret it's appolyn. that's simply greek for Apollo. he's currently locked in the abyss. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61483954 Abaddon is the chief devil, in terms of the hierarchy of devils. Everyone mistakenly believes that Lucifer (or Satan has we now know him) is the chief devil. In one sense Satan is the chief Devil in that it was Lucifer who led the rebellion against God. But in terms of hierarchy (choirs) of angels, Abaddon is at the top of that hierarchy being a fallen Seraph while Lucifer was a fallen Cherub. But, no, Abaddon is not the Antichrist. The Antichrist is ONE MAN and the number of his name equates to 666. Sacred Scripture is explicitly clear on this point. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24413414 United States 08/19/2014 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Revelation 13:17,18, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Revelation gives us a clue as to how to calculate the number of the beast. It reveals that his name will also equal this number. VICARIVS FILII DEI (Vicar of the Son of God) V 5 I 1 C 100 A 0 R 0 I 1 V 5 S 0 F 0 I 1 L 50 I 1 I 1 D 500 E 0 I 1 TOTAL 6 6 6 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61483954 United States 08/19/2014 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | his name is no secret it's appolyn. that's simply greek for Apollo. he's currently locked in the abyss. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61483954 Abaddon is the chief devil, in terms of the hierarchy of devils. Everyone mistakenly believes that Lucifer (or Satan has we now know him) is the chief devil. In one sense Satan is the chief Devil in that it was Lucifer who led the rebellion against God. But in terms of hierarchy (choirs) of angels, Abaddon is at the top of that hierarchy being a fallen Seraph while Lucifer was a fallen Cherub. But, no, Abaddon is not the Antichrist. The Antichrist is ONE MAN and the number of his name equates to 666. Sacred Scripture is explicitly clear on this point. abaddon is the hebrew name of Apollo the future antichrist. the4 beast |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4305935 United States 08/19/2014 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Technically, Islam has defeated Christianity and American is actually a Muslim state. Same as Jewish or OT state. Christ lost. He realized you werent worth sharing secrets with at the risk of his life, so he took off in a blimp like the wizzard. I am gonna do the same. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 61876271 United States 08/19/2014 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Revelation 13:17,18, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Quoting: sundayisNOTthesabbath Revelation gives us a clue as to how to calculate the number of the beast. It reveals that his name will also equal this number. VICARIVS FILII DEI (Vicar of the Son of God) V 5 I 1 C 100 A 0 R 0 I 1 V 5 S 0 F 0 I 1 L 50 I 1 I 1 D 500 E 0 I 1 TOTAL 6 6 6 I hate to bust your Protestant bubble, but it ain't the Vicar of Christ. Get over it already and lend your intellect to solving the riddle. Even Satan knows that the Pope ain't the Vicar of Christ. |
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Bambi2U User ID: 60342615 United States 08/19/2014 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think its that dude from Turkey. Obama is just helping pave the way "We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ." "The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying" |