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A New Ideology Based on Individual Freedom. It's Time to End The Hive Mentality.

 
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I was skeptical about writing this, but I feel that it might be worth reading for someone here.


For as long as man has created societies it has been afflicted with a curse. This curse you see is the curse of forced coercion. Whether through the sword or the pen, society has constantly been striving to crush the individual and force him or her to conform to a standard. Indeed our very preconception of society implies a level of homogeneity, but why is this? Does this notion exist because it makes the lives of those who rule easier, or does it exist because society must be relatively homogeneous in order to function? I'll attempt to tackle this answer and give you a idea of my beliefs.

The basic principal of my ideology is that all human beings are sovereign. We are all unique and independent creatures and we must be allowed to make our own choices and express ourselves freely. Sound familiar? It's the basic premise of the bill of the rights. It's not surprising that this notion is absent in many cultures and societies. These cultures at some point were thoroughly dominated by authoritarian rule that it completely erased the idea of personal freedom from their collective psyche. Indeed the idea of individual freedom is pretty recent in the context of human history and was payed for in blood.

Man at his core is a creature of the earth, and whether you believe in creationism or you're an atheist you must realize that man must be allowed to act like a creature of the earth. He must be free to move as he wishes, he must be free to live his own existence, he must be allowed to make his own choices without the threat of violence if he does not conform. This coercion is what is destroying the human experience, this desire for homogeneous behavior is anathema to what we are as independent beings.

After this principal we run into our first problem with our Hive mentality. Generally speaking we only wish individual freedom for ourselves and not others. This phenomenon stems from us wanting to project ourselves and our beliefs into the world around us. Indeed the human experience is biased and hardly impartial, but most don't realize this fact. We need to realize that we are not impartial creatures, this is our nature and that makes our biases not applicable for others who have their own human experience.

Biases however are completely normal and healthy for the human psyche. The problem isn't the bias itself, rather the problem is the desire to project that bias onto the world and others. I'm all for living by your principals and beliefs and expressing them, the problem is when you use laws or weapons to force others to conform to your idea of the human experience by restricting their freedom as sovereign creatures.

Indeed this applies for most things, but there is a limit and this can found in common law. The essence of common law is that you have violated another human beings sovereignty. You have in some way intruded on another human beings life in such a way as to hurt them. This is indeed how we should apply the law, not to bully others but to punish those who violate the golden rule, that we are all sovereign. In common law there must be a victim, victimless crimes are simply a tool of an oppressive state to maintain power. If there is no victim, there can be no crime.

Modern day examples of forced coercion primarily revolve around using laws and legislation and the courts to punish and to force those who hold different believes to conform. These laws are of course backed by the monopoly of force the government has and is little different than personally forcing someone to act and belief like you do while pointing a gun in their face. Understandably this generates resentment and hatred, as it should because no man has the right to force another to be like him. We have lost sight of the fact that we are all sovereign.

Some examples of issues that shouldn't be are abortion and gun control. I have no right to force people not to get abortions. Would I ever want an abortion with my partner? No, but at the same time I realize that I cannot force others to live like me. I will judge and condemn those who do, but I cannot force them either through legislature or by violence into not doing it, for that violates their sovereignty.

The other side of the issue is that those on the left seem to be obsessed with disarming Americans. This is actually one of the more sinister efforts, because its an attempt to disarm the other primary homogeneous group in America. The reason of course is to force right America to live like left America, presumably by force if necessary. All men are sovereign and have the god given right to protect themselves. If you believe in gun control then you are sadly a tyrant who doesn't respect the sovereignty of other human beings. Man cannot be sovereign if he cannot project force or defend himself and will be at the mercy of those who can. Thousands of years have shown that disarmed populations are almost always abused by their rulers and their armed servants. To believe anything else is insanity.

All conflicts stem from societies homogeneous nature. We are taught to hate that which is not homogeneous to us. Indeed when we fight other human beings, we rationalize this by saying they are not like us. That the other group is flawed or different in some negative way that forces us to kill them until they start acting like us or until they are so beaten that they can never force us to act like them. This is the root of all human conflict, this focus that society must be homogeneous. While a king may launch a war for greed because he's a psychopath, the common man will allow it because the other side is not homogeneous to his and poses a threat to his homogeneous culture, beliefs, and world view. This homogeneous behavior is primarily of benefit to rulers and is what enables almost all human conflicts.

We must stop the cycle of trying to force others to live like us. No human being has a right to force others to live like them or to restrict their freedoms, and we must end the Hive cycle and embrace our individuality. We must learn to respect others, even those we wildly disagree with. These disagreements should be embraced, for it signals that while I may disagree with you, I respect your sovereignty enough not to force you to live like me, for that only generates hatred and conflict. No man appreciates being forced to do anything, and that is the nature of man, a free being who hates being told what to do.

To Rehash these ideas:

1. All Humans are Sovereign and inherently free.

2. No man has the right to coerce another man into doing anything he doesn't want to do unless to preserve the sovereignty of others.

3. Man is a creature of the Earth, and to restrict his movements and freedoms and beliefs in any way is wrong.

4. Ethically we cannot force others to live like us because we are all biased.

5. We need to return to common law, specifically there can be no more victimless crimes. Crime should only occur when we violate another human beings sovereignty.

6.Man must be allowed to defend himself for he will lose his sovereignty without this.

7. All conflicts stem from differences in homogeneous groups. We must learn not to hate those who are not homogeneous to us, even if we disagree with them.

8. The notion that we can punish other homogeneous groups through government force must end unless in valid self defense.

9.We must learn to respect others and their differences, even if we wildly disagree with them.
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Wow dude, you hit the mark.
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I was skeptical about writing this, but I feel that it might be worth reading for someone here.


For as long as man has created societies it has been afflicted with a curse. This curse you see is the curse of forced coercion. Whether through the sword or the pen, society has constantly been striving to crush the individual and force him or her to conform to a standard. Indeed our very preconception of society implies a level of homogeneity, but why is this? Does this notion exist because it makes the lives of those who rule easier, or does it exist because society must be relatively homogeneous in order to function? I'll attempt to tackle this answer and give you a idea of my beliefs.

The basic principal of my ideology is that all human beings are sovereign. We are all unique and independent creatures and we must be allowed to make our own choices and express ourselves freely. Sound familiar? It's the basic premise of the bill of the rights. It's not surprising that this notion is absent in many cultures and societies. These cultures at some point were thoroughly dominated by authoritarian rule that it completely erased the idea of personal freedom from their collective psyche. Indeed the idea of individual freedom is pretty recent in the context of human history and was payed for in blood.

Man at his core is a creature of the earth, and whether you believe in creationism or you're an atheist you must realize that man must be allowed to act like a creature of the earth. He must be free to move as he wishes, he must be free to live his own existence, he must be allowed to make his own choices without the threat of violence if he does not conform. This coercion is what is destroying the human experience, this desire for homogeneous behavior is anathema to what we are as independent beings.

After this principal we run into our first problem with our Hive mentality. Generally speaking we only wish individual freedom for ourselves and not others. This phenomenon stems from us wanting to project ourselves and our beliefs into the world around us. Indeed the human experience is biased and hardly impartial, but most don't realize this fact. We need to realize that we are not impartial creatures, this is our nature and that makes our biases not applicable for others who have their own human experience.

Biases however are completely normal and healthy for the human psyche. The problem isn't the bias itself, rather the problem is the desire to project that bias onto the world and others. I'm all for living by your principals and beliefs and expressing them, the problem is when you use laws or weapons to force others to conform to your idea of the human experience by restricting their freedom as sovereign creatures.

Indeed this applies for most things, but there is a limit and this can found in common law. The essence of common law is that you have violated another human beings sovereignty. You have in some way intruded on another human beings life in such a way as to hurt them. This is indeed how we should apply the law, not to bully others but to punish those who violate the golden rule, that we are all sovereign. In common law there must be a victim, victimless crimes are simply a tool of an oppressive state to maintain power. If there is no victim, there can be no crime.

Modern day examples of forced coercion primarily revolve around using laws and legislation and the courts to punish and to force those who hold different believes to conform. These laws are of course backed by the monopoly of force the government has and is little different than personally forcing someone to act and belief like you do while pointing a gun in their face. Understandably this generates resentment and hatred, as it should because no man has the right to force another to be like him. We have lost sight of the fact that we are all sovereign.

Some examples of issues that shouldn't be are abortion and gun control. I have no right to force people not to get abortions. Would I ever want an abortion with my partner? No, but at the same time I realize that I cannot force others to live like me. I will judge and condemn those who do, but I cannot force them either through legislature or by violence into not doing it, for that violates their sovereignty.

The other side of the issue is that those on the left seem to be obsessed with disarming Americans. This is actually one of the more sinister efforts, because its an attempt to disarm the other primary homogeneous group in America. The reason of course is to force right America to live like left America, presumably by force if necessary. All men are sovereign and have the god given right to protect themselves. If you believe in gun control then you are sadly a tyrant who doesn't respect the sovereignty of other human beings. Man cannot be sovereign if he cannot project force or defend himself and will be at the mercy of those who can. Thousands of years have shown that disarmed populations are almost always abused by their rulers and their armed servants. To believe anything else is insanity.

All conflicts stem from societies homogeneous nature. We are taught to hate that which is not homogeneous to us. Indeed when we fight other human beings, we rationalize this by saying they are not like us. That the other group is flawed or different in some negative way that forces us to kill them until they start acting like us or until they are so beaten that they can never force us to act like them. This is the root of all human conflict, this focus that society must be homogeneous. While a king may launch a war for greed because he's a psychopath, the common man will allow it because the other side is not homogeneous to his and poses a threat to his homogeneous culture, beliefs, and world view. This homogeneous behavior is primarily of benefit to rulers and is what enables almost all human conflicts.

We must stop the cycle of trying to force others to live like us. No human being has a right to force others to live like them or to restrict their freedoms, and we must end the Hive cycle and embrace our individuality. We must learn to respect others, even those we wildly disagree with. These disagreements should be embraced, for it signals that while I may disagree with you, I respect your sovereignty enough not to force you to live like me, for that only generates hatred and conflict. No man appreciates being forced to do anything, and that is the nature of man, a free being who hates being told what to do.

To Rehash these ideas:

1. All Humans are Sovereign and inherently free.

2. No man has the right to coerce another man into doing anything he doesn't want to do unless to preserve the sovereignty of others.

3. Man is a creature of the Earth, and to restrict his movements and freedoms and beliefs in any way is wrong.

4. Ethically we cannot force others to live like us because we are all biased.

5. We need to return to common law, specifically there can be no more victimless crimes. Crime should only occur when we violate another human beings sovereignty.

6.Man must be allowed to defend himself for he will lose his sovereignty without this.

7. All conflicts stem from differences in homogeneous groups. We must learn not to hate those who are not homogeneous to us, even if we disagree with them.

8. The notion that we can punish other homogeneous groups through government force must end unless in valid self defense.

9.We must learn to respect others and their differences, even if we wildly disagree with them.
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"If there is no victim, there can be no crime."

A pedophile or pederast convinces himself that the child or young teen is not a victim too, therefore convinces himself that he has committed no crime.
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"If there is no victim, there can be no crime."

A pedophile or pederast convinces himself that the child or young teen is not a victim too, therefore convinces himself that he has committed no crime.
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But there was still a victim so common law still applies.

Great post op!

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Good luck telling china that and japan
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Glad to see you're paying attention OP
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"We must stop the cycle of trying to force others to live like us. No human being has a right to force others to live like them or to restrict their freedoms, and we must end the Hive cycle and embrace our individuality. We must learn to respect others, even those we wildly disagree with"
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Hypocrisy at its finest. Exchanging one 'hive cycle' for another 'hive cycle', but yet you cannot see it.

"Respect" - verb
1 a :  to consider worthy of high regard :  esteem b :  to refrain from interfering with <please respect their privacy> 2 :  to have reference to :  concern

Why would hold a pederast or pedophile in high regard? Why would you hold women and men who slaughter their unborn children in high regard and esteem them, which is to say that their acts are worthy of esteem and high regard? Why would you say that we must RESPECT them when respect means to esteem or hold in high regard? Or does your "embracing individuality" not extend to child molestors, to individuals who embrace sex with children...but does extend to those whom choose to slaughter their children?

"We must learn to respect others, even those we wildly disagree"
By your own statement then, you must esteem and hold in high regard those who choose to sexually prey upon children. Which is approval and acceptance of their acts.
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"If there is no victim, there can be no crime."

A pedophile or pederast convinces himself that the child or young teen is not a victim too, therefore convinces himself that he has committed no crime.
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But there was still a victim so common law still applies.

Great post op!
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You are not getting it. Common law as you call it is an ever evolving creation of man, which simply redefines what constitutes a victim. Mere decades ago, unborn children were defined as victims of murder in abortion. Society had the 'sexual revolution' indoctrinated into it and what happened? The people swayed by said indoctrination demanded that common law remove unborn children from the very definition of victim hood. Now, a few decades later and man can no longer see babies as murder victims. Right now pederasts and pedophiles and their supporters in psychology and education are publicly arguing that children are not "victims" in their sexual acts. What are they doing? Again, man through common law is working to remove the very children that they want to sexually prey upon from the very definition of victim. In a matter of decades, these men WILL ACCOMPLISH their goal and it's done through common law. Pedeasty (sex with boys generally in the age range of 9/10-14) goes hand in hand with homosexuality in almost every culture past and present throughout history. So, they will simply - through common law - remove this group from being declared a victim.
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"If there is no victim, there can be no crime."

A pedophile or pederast convinces himself that the child or young teen is not a victim too, therefore convinces himself that he has committed no crime.
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But there was still a victim so common law still applies.

Great post op!
 Quoting: WeAreOne


In a nutshell, man will simply redefine victim hood status in order to indulge in any act that he desires. That way, there are no "victims" in his acts. A woman going to get an abortion does so by convincing herself that it isn't "really" murder because the baby isn't "really" a baby...so convinces herself that she is not "really" committing murder.

The deceitfulness of man's heart....
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"7. All conflicts stem from differences in homogeneous groups. We must learn not to hate those who are not homogeneous to us, even if we disagree with them."

No, all conflicts stem from internal desires within us. Fights and quarrels because we covet yet do not have for example. A large percentage of thieves for example covet something, so they let coveting rule them and so steal. They take because they want and desire. One youth shooting dead another youth for his $200 trainers is a good example. One group in this world says that the solution is give both the $200 trainers and another group rightly says that had their been no COVETING in the heart, that murder would never have taken place. Will there be lasting peace if we simply give both groups a pair of $200 sneakers? No. Why not? Because coveting is still in the one's heart. So where is lasting peace for this world? Is it not truly found when the one who desires the sneakers so badly that he'd kill another youth just to have them....is healed from that desire of coveting? Of course it is. Where is freedom for children and youths from men who exalt their own sexual gratification at the expense of the welfare of those children? Is it not in healing that man internally? Are both groups not then brought into true FREEDOM?

And you are defining hate in your whole piece as "not respecting" those who are different. That is unfortunate because it's defining toleration as love and love as toleration, when love is actually standing up in truth and holiness.
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You are not getting it. Common law as you call it is an ever evolving creation of man, which simply redefines what constitutes a victim. Mere decades ago, unborn children were defined as victims of murder in abortion. Society had the 'sexual revolution' indoctrinated into it and what happened? The people swayed by said indoctrination demanded that common law remove unborn children from the very definition of victim hood. Now, a few decades later and man can no longer see babies as murder victims. Right now pederasts and pedophiles and their supporters in psychology and education are publicly arguing that children are not "victims" in their sexual acts. What are they doing? Again, man through common law is working to remove the very children that they want to sexually prey upon from the very definition of victim. In a matter of decades, these men WILL ACCOMPLISH their goal and it's done through common law. Pedeasty (sex with boys generally in the age range of 9/10-14) goes hand in hand with homosexuality in almost every culture past and present throughout history. So, they will simply - through common law - remove this group from being declared a victim.
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The majority of sexual abuse of children by adults are made by their own fathers.

With the mothers complicity.

Throughout history.
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"If there is no victim, there can be no crime."

A pedophile or pederast convinces himself that the child or young teen is not a victim too, therefore convinces himself that he has committed no crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31761807


But there was still a victim so common law still applies.

Great post op!
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You are not getting it. Common law as you call it is an ever evolving creation of man, which simply redefines what constitutes a victim. Mere decades ago, unborn children were defined as victims of murder in abortion. Society had the 'sexual revolution' indoctrinated into it and what happened? The people swayed by said indoctrination demanded that common law remove unborn children from the very definition of victim hood. Now, a few decades later and man can no longer see babies as murder victims. Right now pederasts and pedophiles and their supporters in psychology and education are publicly arguing that children are not "victims" in their sexual acts. What are they doing? Again, man through common law is working to remove the very children that they want to sexually prey upon from the very definition of victim. In a matter of decades, these men WILL ACCOMPLISH their goal and it's done through common law. Pedeasty (sex with boys generally in the age range of 9/10-14) goes hand in hand with homosexuality in almost every culture past and present throughout history. So, they will simply - through common law - remove this group from being declared a victim.
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I hope you don't mind me saying but I don't think you understand the Op's post.

Common law is the closest thing we have to the sovereign rights of a human being but it is still flawed. The op wasn't saying it's perfect or infallible. He was just using it as an example.

If a law goes against another human being's sovereign rights then it is not a just law. Just because a piece a paper in a law book 'could' say raping a 9 year old child is legal, still wouldn't make it so because there is still a real victim.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

A rather famous person was said to have spoken those words. The op's post could be condensed down to that single line.
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Most people don't see the words because they covet the labels they have been taught exist. They believe in these labels and will defend them (sometimes violently) to protect the labels they have themselves attached to their own life.

It's funny but all those who have preached love and peace, like Gandhi, Jesus, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, all wind up killed. I guess we are not yet ready for this type of thread...
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OP here, I'm actually quite surprised that this got as many responses as it did. I'll try to address posters views and concerns in this debate. By no means is this perfect, and it's my hope that others can contribute their own ideas to the discussion. Some misunderstanding is always a given on the internet and I'll try to clarify and elaborate on my positions some more.
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Good luck telling china that and japan
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You're quite right, simply put this is an ideology for societies that embrace personal freedom. A lot of asian countries were dominated by "divine" emperors and kings in their history who effectively erased the concept of personal freedom from their cultures. No amount of argument could probably convince someone from China or Japan about the merits of this ideology, because the basic notion that all human beings are sovereign simply doesn't exist to their collective psyche. It's my hope through example and over time that other cultures could see the merits of such a system, which is by no means perfect but I find it preferable to any form of authoritarian government.
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"We must stop the cycle of trying to force others to live like us. No human being has a right to force others to live like them or to restrict their freedoms, and we must end the Hive cycle and embrace our individuality. We must learn to respect others, even those we wildly disagree with"
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Hypocrisy at its finest. Exchanging one 'hive cycle' for another 'hive cycle', but yet you cannot see it.

"Respect" - verb
1 a :  to consider worthy of high regard :  esteem b :  to refrain from interfering with <please respect their privacy> 2 :  to have reference to :  concern

Why would hold a pederast or pedophile in high regard? Why would you hold women and men who slaughter their unborn children in high regard and esteem them, which is to say that their acts are worthy of esteem and high regard? Why would you say that we must RESPECT them when respect means to esteem or hold in high regard? Or does your "embracing individuality" not extend to child molestors, to individuals who embrace sex with children...but does extend to those whom choose to slaughter their children?

"We must learn to respect others, even those we wildly disagree"
By your own statement then, you must esteem and hold in high regard those who choose to sexually prey upon children. Which is approval and acceptance of their acts.
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You have mistaken my intentions here, and that's probably my fault for not clarifying my position more clearly.

When I say respect another even if we wildly disagree with them I am saying that we must respect them as free willed human beings, as they are sovereign. I certainly am not saying that we need to respect their actions at all. We need to strongly condemn such negative actions, for pedophiles infringe on the sovereign rights of children. They may convince themselves that there is no crime but it is medically supported that sexual abuse does immense harm to other human beings and should punished far more seriously than it is now.

What I'm saying is that by respecting a persons status as a free willed human being, we must learn not to automatically hate those who make different life choices or choose to live differently. We must use logic and medical and scientific evidence in our thought processes rather than be ruled by emotion. I will respect that any human being is a free willed creature, and until they cross the line where they have infringed on the rights of others they are deserving of polite respect, even if we disagree and do not approve of their actions.

Abortion is a tricky one, as others have pointed out changes in law have effectively erased the notion that a fetus is a human being. I believe abortion is murder and is not something I would ever take part in, but I cannot ethically keep a woman from getting an abortion if that is what she truly desires. We do not always understand the circumstances behind people's decisions, and we are still hampered by the fact that we cannot ethically take action unless we demonstrate (with evidence) they have infringed on the rights of others.

I understand the notion that they are infringing on the right to life of the fetus, and is in violation of the rule that all humans are sovereign, but a fetus until a certain point in its development doesn't have the intelligence or characteristics that human beings commonly classify as "human". So what we are then left with comes to the idea of the immortal soul, and by aborting the woman is committing murder due to this fact.

Ethically I cannot push my religious beliefs such as this on others, because in the end such forced coercion only serves to drive others away from my beliefs and position and is more counter productive than good. The merits of the argument against abortion are already strong, and we need to popularize the idea that abortion is ethically wrong rather than trying to pass a law that forbids it. Forbidden things have a funny way of becoming popular due to their forbidden nature alone. If abortion is outlawed woman won't stop getting abortions, they will simply go about it illegally and in dangerous harmful ways.

Remember that the lefts most popular argument about abortion is that the conservative groups want to outlaw it, which can be summed up as (another group is trying to forcibly coerce you against your beliefs) and without this argument their position would be greatly weakened. The threat of someone trying to tell you what to do and to force you to behave a certain usually evokes a hostile response from a human being, for man hates being told what to do. Until we can demonstrate that a fetus is decidedly human like early in development through medical and scientific evidence, or prove the existence of the immortal soul, we must make due with debating on logical and scientific merits. We only hurt the popularity of our own position when we attempt to prohibit it. We must learn to not be ruled by our emotions when dealing with things we don't believe in and we must respect these people as free willed creatures, even if we don't respect their decisions.

It is my belief that government should not be involved with abortion at all, because you ethically cannot force people to pay for it who object to it. Abortion should be a private matter, only paid by for those who support or want it. Insurance companies could decide if they support such a practice and they should not be punished if they don't. This would improve our options in accordance with our beliefs because certainly anti abortion insurance companies would become more popular, because then we wouldn't have to support abortion fiscally at all then. It can be argued that if any of your money helped the abortion happen that you have inadvertently helped support it. I'd prefer that we created a viable alternative where I don't have to be involved with the process in any way rather than just sit around and bitch about it and try to force others to live like me (which probably won't happen unless we threaten them with laws which backed by the government is the same thing as physical and violent force.) Good luck getting a law like that passed though, because half the population is going to react violently when you try to force them to live like you.
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"7. All conflicts stem from differences in homogeneous groups. We must learn not to hate those who are not homogeneous to us, even if we disagree with them."

No, all conflicts stem from internal desires within us. Fights and quarrels because we covet yet do not have for example. A large percentage of thieves for example covet something, so they let coveting rule them and so steal. They take because they want and desire. One youth shooting dead another youth for his $200 trainers is a good example. One group in this world says that the solution is give both the $200 trainers and another group rightly says that had their been no COVETING in the heart, that murder would never have taken place. Will there be lasting peace if we simply give both groups a pair of $200 sneakers? No. Why not? Because coveting is still in the one's heart. So where is lasting peace for this world? Is it not truly found when the one who desires the sneakers so badly that he'd kill another youth just to have them....is healed from that desire of coveting? Of course it is. Where is freedom for children and youths from men who exalt their own sexual gratification at the expense of the welfare of those children? Is it not in healing that man internally? Are both groups not then brought into true FREEDOM?

And you are defining hate in your whole piece as "not respecting" those who are different. That is unfortunate because it's defining toleration as love and love as toleration, when love is actually standing up in truth and holiness.
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You have missed the point of my argument I believe and it's my fault more than anyone's. My beliefs are decidedly libertarian in nature, they are not grounded in illogical beliefs such as love is all that matters and we should love everyone because as you say that is false. Indeed bias is perfectly healthy and it is healthy to disagree and to oppose that which we don't belief in! The problem arises when we try to project our beliefs onto others, because rather than using the merits of our arguments we try to use the power of the pen and the gun to force others into behaving the way we want them to, which is doomed to fail because man hates being forcibly coerced!

You have addressed why men steal, but why do men covet? What makes men covet? As you say one groups believes we must give both men sneakers, while the other says we must erase coveting from the heart. Giving both men sneakers is doomed to fail, and you're on the right track saying we need to erase coveting from the heart but let me ask you this, could it be that men covet because they lack what others of his group have? Because they are not homogeneous with the rest of the group and currently reside in an "inferior position" socially? This difference stems from our desire for homogeneous behavior, we look down on those who have less than us quite simply put because they do not conform to the rest of the group. Men don't usually covet because they physically lack something, they covet because they feel that they psychologically lack something, and that psychological lack comes from not fitting in with the homogeneous group. If we were to step back and stop assigning so much value to material goods we could go a long way to ending coveting. Rather than look down about the poor kid at school for what he lacks, how about we look for his positive attributes by respecting him as a free willed human being. Instead of wanting that next new shiny thing, we find value in what we already have. We are currently in an impossible race to the bottom, where the standards of the "homogeneous group" become ever more impossible to conform to. We must end the obsession with the material and what others lack, we must instead learn to respect what makes us different.
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Good luck telling china that and japan
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You're quite right, simply put this is an ideology for societies that embrace personal freedom. A lot of asian countries were dominated by "divine" emperors and kings in their history who effectively erased the concept of personal freedom from their cultures. No amount of argument could probably convince someone from China or Japan about the merits of this ideology, because the basic notion that all human beings are sovereign simply doesn't exist to their collective psyche. It's my hope through example and over time that other cultures could see the merits of such a system, which is by no means perfect but I find it preferable to any form of authoritarian government.
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thanks for the nice reply

and for helping me elucidate my point :)





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