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WHERE WE GO AFTER DEATH , WHY MANY NON CHRISTIAN ALSO ENTER "HEAVEN" WITH A NDE ,REINCARNATION AND BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS

 
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I am writing this anyone, who are seriously seeking truth and am asking those who are against the bible to bare with me on this , there are many contradictions in the word but also much hidden truth.

FAITH VS DEEDS, BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS
Only pure truth is illuminating, whereas teachings interspersed with errors will always leave gasps. What I am going to explain will fill in all the holes .

We start with John 6:63 which is true, but also grossly misunderstood by Christians .

The false presumption many Christians have, because of this verse is: they are chosen by God, the holy spirit reforms the heart and nothing they themselves do , word or deed will bring them closer to God and heaven.

~~John 6:63 “It is the spirit who gives eternal life, human effort accomplish nothing”, that is what I meant when I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father brings them to me.”

We will then also find many verses that contradicts this. here is only three:

Luke 13:24 “The door to the Kingdom is narrow, work hard to get in.”

Acts 14:22 “Continue in faith you can only enter the Kingdom of God through many tribulations.”

Luke 3:8 “Prove by the way you live that you turned from your sins and turned to God. Don’t just say, we’re safe- we’re (Christians) that proves nothing”


If the Holy Spirit override our free will, we will become nothing but machines without any independence.
The Holy Spirit can only guides us into truth and Jesus gives us strength to overcome difficult experiences in our life to become a better person.

We as humans with a free will ,can only change , when love becomes alive within, taking hold of the will, driving the whole self into action, and such we develop kindness, goodness, compassion, patience , gentleness and self-control within us. After all it's what we say and do that defiles us.( Mark 7:15)This is the key to spiritual wisdom. And spiritual growth.

ONLY PERFECTION LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE.
Why then did Jesus said this. It is the spirit who gives eternal life, human effort accomplish nothing?

Very few understand that ,eternal life (Kingdom of God) and where most go after death are two different places. ~~~~In my Father's house are many mansions”. John 14:2. Many levels .....Many places......Many dimensions.
This is the reason why most that experience a Nde find themselves in a paradise like place where pure love embraces them, this is a true experience they have, not just an illusion as many Christians want to explain this away.

The Earth is a school and exists in the 3rd dimension.
Where most go to rest after the spirit and body separate is in the 4th dimension.
God's Kingdom and upwards (eternal life) is from the 5th -13th dimension.
1st and second dimension can be seen as the hellish dimensions or call it purgatory if you want.

First to enter into the Kingdom of God from the 5th dimension) you have to be :

Perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.” Matthew5:48

"You must be compassionate, just as your Father is compassionate”. Luke 6:36

"You must be Holy as God is Holy” 1Peter 1:16

"You are only mature if you are measuring up to the full and complete standards of Christ. Ephesians 4:13

.~~You can enter God’s kingdom/eternal life (5th dimension upwards) only through the narrow gate, the gateway to everlasting life is small and the road is narrow, only a few will ever find it.( Matt 7:13)

If you are spiritually developed into a perfect human being with full compassion, and humility , this can only be accomplishes through the Holy Spirit. ~~If you reached a certain degree of spiritual maturity the Holy Spirit will draw you and lead you on a difficult path (narrow way) through the fire of God into perfection.

For only God knows who's heart is ready to be drawn into perfection through extreme trials and tribulations. Only a consciousness with a certain amount of love=light within the heart qualifies to be drawn by the Spirit and such a person will need the strength of God to walk the narrow way as you will be purified trough the fire to be cleansed into perfection by the Holy Spirit, to be able to enter into God's Kingdom.

This is also why Jesus said I am the way the truth the life and nobody gets to the Father but by me, and you will only see the Kingdom of God when you are reborn. Remember only a few will ever find the narrow gate through many tribulations.

EARTH IS A SCHOOL
~~You have to understand Earth is a 3rd dimensional planet, a school, here we as "prodigal sons" have to learn to love, to forgive, not to discriminate between races or anyone who's different, learn to respect also the animals, and our mother earth. We learn to become perfect again. This takes many lifetimes, it is impossible for a human to become perfect in just one lifetime.

". Anyone who does not love remains in death." (1 John 3:14) With other words you will remain in the life and death cycle if you don't turn the selfish love into unselfish love .

REINCARNATION
As we leave the body from the 3rd dimension (earth) most will go unto the 4th dimension for rest and review of ones life's to plan a next incarnation, with your spirit guides. As we still have karma to pay off or where we need to better our self, as our strength is determent by how we use bad experiences to better ourselves . In this dimension the 4th we have freedom and living arrangements accordance with our spiritual growth.
One can also develop spiritually in the 4th dimension in various ways, but much slower than on earth..[b


HELL
The harmful, violent, animalistic, controlling , spirits will most definitely find themselves in a hell with others, as like attacks like .(2nd or 1st dimension depending) Also many will stay close to earth, in a dream state for various reasons, not realizing they left the body. In all these cases the spirits can remain in this painful state FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS until they develop the conscience enough to be taken to a higher level to continue the path of development. Every thing God created moves either up or down nothing stays stagnated forever.

WHAT SINS DID JESUS DIED FOR?
Many will still not understand that If Jesus died for our sins, then why this long process before and if we reach His Kingdom. The answer is simple, the sins mentioned in the bible Jesus died for are the "original sin" now I am not talking about Adam and Eve, but why we are called" prodigal sons" who squandered our inherit ins, we draw away from God and became separated from him. If you break Earthly laws you will be punished such is also applied in the universe.

GOD'S LOVE FOR HIS PRODICAL CHILDREN.
Earth can also be called a prison but more we can now understand the deep love God has for His creations to give us the opportunity to reunited with the Father again and those who succeed be called sons of God. Many on earth already made it to a higher dimension but out of love for their brothers and sisters left behind they came back to teach them love as Jesus did, through words and deeds.


~~Psalm 24
Who may climb the mountain of the Lord?
Who may stand in his holy place? (Kingdom of God)
Only those whose hands and hearts are pure,
who do not worship idols (live in total obedience to God)
and never tell lies.
They will receive the Lord’s blessing
and have a right relationship with God their savior



1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Matthew 11:11-19

11 “I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of God is greater than he is!

Just want to add the following verse as proof of what I stated in the above post.

As John the Baptist was already an advanced soul at that incarnation in the time of Jesus, as in spiritual development he himself haven't reached Kingdom of God or eternal life jet . That is why Jesus said he is the greatest soul to be born yet on earth but have not yet reached the Kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28,29
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Reincarnation

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Reincarnation is false.

Hell
Hell is eternal not a hundred years.....

What sins did Jesus die for

all sins, including yours—not just simply“original sin”.


Im guessing the wrong information/disinformation comes from the same place that the “I am that I am” nonsense comes from. Are you the same pistis sophia posting on Candace's site?

Don't forget: that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, urantia book and phoenix journals are false, and there are no "christed" beings.
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Who TOLD any of them that they were in Heaven? It may be that they ASSUME it to be Heaven. Are Paradise and Heaven the same place?
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Quoting from your first post:


~~John 6:63 “It is the spirit who gives eternal life, human effort accomplish nothing”, that is what I meant when I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father brings them to me.”


The entire bible takes place within us. And this is very true but it does not cancel out deeds and love in action.

What this means is that, Goodness/God, your own Spirit, is eternal and you are created in the image of Goodness/God, ie like a fractal. We're in a lower form body suit, beast, in tests. So what gives Eternal Life is your Spirit and Connection to Divinity, not your body. And no effort you do in the world, can equal this or progress your soul. Ie. you may study hard, work hard, please your family, gain success, but unless you are overcoming the weaknesses of the flesh and waking up and seeking within from Guidance from Spirit, and growth of Intelligence/Consciousness/Love, you're not on the winning side. The body is not eternal, its a temporal prison for Spirit.

When you turn around your weaknesses, and that involves being kind and giving to other and overcoming: greed, domination, anger, apathy, and many earthly temptations, and meditate and seek within, you pull away from the temporal and the third eye flowers forth bringing forth a strong connection between you and Source and also Higher Self, and you shine that into the world, you begin to achieve Higher Mind, and the body temporal prison transforms into the Temple/Church of Goodness/God/Spirit/Consciousness.

All of this has nothing to do with actions and deeds.

Its merely saying that Spirit and Creator/Source is what saves, your body is just temporal. Clinging to worldly things and ambitions or operating out of greed and anger and weakness does not progress or grow your Spirit.

But the actual process for achieving Higher Mind involves helping others and Love. Doing what you can.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light!
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Now here is the thing. It has nothing to do with what religion you're in, or if you're athiest or not. Love delights in all expressions of Love. If an athiest is overcoming their weaknesses, giving, not just seizing moments to advance in the world, but giving things up for others, and living with conscience and compassion, then they're not even believing in a reward, they're being good for the sake of being good.

Its just that spiritual guidance and support within, throughout our trials, is like a lifeline and helps us in many ways.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light!
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Look at the vast and unlimited universe... and please explain to me again how monkey-brained puny humans are to be condemned to hell in eternity for not making the right choices in a single lifetime?

You f'king ignorant assh_les!
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Thank you OP for this. Those who need it and are ready will hear you.

Peace and Love
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"Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, we have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Luke 3:8

Care to explain why you change the Holy Scriptures. As Abraham was a Jews and they belong to Hebrew.
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Trying to make eternal choices based only on books of dubious or occult origin, variable translation, numerous inclusions and exclusions based on questionable criteria and interpretation is automatic madness.
No contract written or implied in vague code or otherwise unable to be be properly interpreted the same by all parties involved is invalid simply because the details are not interpreted the same way.
You can't be properly held accountable to all potential words to be created from a box of Alphabets or books of riddles.
It's fairly clear that any ten people reading the bible will have significantly different interpretations of significant points within it.
I don't comprehend the concept of Gods with time limits, regional limits or other limited time offers for specific groups only.
In the end there is no validity to a contract imposed in secret on anyone with no capability to read or understand the document in every detail.
In the end I believe that Jesus has the answers to universal brotherhood and spiritual growth but there've been too many others looking to selfishly create their own stamp on the faith for their own reasons.
I don't have all the answers but it certainly would be nice that when you finally understand that you need a clear explanation of the rules that you'd get clear unequivocal response so you can finally make sure what the limits are.
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Look at the vast and unlimited universe... and please explain to me again how monkey-brained puny humans are to be condemned to hell in eternity for not making the right choices in a single lifetime?

You f'king ignorant assh_les!

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Humanity is already condemned.

Joh 3:16; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Joh 3:17; For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Joh 3:18; He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.Joh 3:19; And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.Joh 3:20; For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.Joh 3:21;  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Look at the vast and unlimited universe... and please explain to me again how monkey-brained puny humans are to be condemned to hell in eternity for not making the right choices in a single lifetime?

You f'king ignorant assh_les!

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It's amusing that people think they know everything from a 2000 year old book. As if the journey is so short and lessons of life itself can be learned in one lifetime.

As if a supreme being would ever need such asinine things as human emotion like anger, pride and jealousy. Or that a being capable of making such a complex system of reality could be understood that you could fit its master plan or logic in some dusty book. Humans are laughably retarded thinking they know jack shit about the universe.

Some humans live in this reality at beast 80 years and that is extremely optimistic views of a first world society. Countless others don't even make it past their early adult life, more not even out of childhood.To even suggest that you know where a human goes to the afterlife is laughable.

You are a flash in the pan, an existence that doesn't even register in the grand design that is the known universe. You know nothing, none of us do. Stop pretending you have this life deal all figured out and just admit with the rest of humanity you have no fucking clue why you are here and just enjoy the ride.

Humanity needs to accept reality something we try our best avoiding.
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The major error that is see is the idea that this earth is more than a nursery or nursery school for souls, and that there are no schools or advanced lessons in the higher dimensions, that it's only a holding area for your return back to earth. That is so far from the truth.
Our education is only beginning when we arrive in the afterlife. And there is no need to return to nursery school.
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You had my attention until you defined the Source of all Creation as being masculine = "He". Sorry, but the Infinite Consciousness/Mind/Creator is energy and is neither a "He" nor a "She." And, if Earth is indeed a school where we come to learn, then why do we not remember what we've already learned? What prevents us from repeating the same experience over and over and over again? It makes no sense!! No, I believe we are trapped here by the archons and we will not escape until they are dealt with.

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Look at the vast and unlimited universe... and please explain to me again how monkey-brained puny humans are to be condemned to hell in eternity for not making the right choices in a single lifetime?

You f'king ignorant assh_les!

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It's amusing that people think they know everything from a 2000 year old book. As if the journey is so short and lessons of life itself can be learned in one lifetime.

As if a supreme being would ever need such asinine things as human emotion like anger, pride and jealousy.
Or that a being capable of making such a complex system of reality could be understood that you could fit its master plan or logic in some dusty book. Humans are laughably retarded thinking they know jack shit about the universe.

Some humans live in this reality at best 80 years and that is extremely optimistic views of a first world society. Countless others don't even make it past their early adult life, more not even out of childhood.To even suggest that you know where a human goes to the afterlife is laughable.

You are a flash in the pan, an existence that doesn't even register in the grand design that is the known universe. You know nothing, none of us do. Stop pretending you have this life deal all figured out and just admit with the rest of humanity you have no fucking clue why you are here and just enjoy the ride.

Humanity needs to accept reality something we try our best avoiding.
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The major error that is see is the idea that this earth is more than a nursery or nursery school for souls, and that there are no schools or advanced lessons in the higher dimensions, that it's only a holding area for your return back to earth. That is so far from the truth.
Our education is only beginning when we arrive in the afterlife. And there is no need to return to nursery school.
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Sadly though, most are persuaded to return.

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Look at the vast and unlimited universe... and please explain to me again how monkey-brained puny humans are to be condemned to hell in eternity for not making the right choices in a single lifetime?

You f'king ignorant assh_les!

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Humanity is already condemned.

Joh 3:16; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Joh 3:17; For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Joh 3:18; He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.Joh 3:19; And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.Joh 3:20; For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.Joh 3:21;  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Only a sick, demented, angry, jealous, psychopathic murderous entity would condemn its own creation. That entity is NOT the Infinite Consciousness/Mind/Creator. That entity is an archon!![/b
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Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28,29
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When the following happen and I say this with a sad heart:

pic40

You will know what I stated above is true.

There are many verses that contradicts that verse for many puzzles complete a piece not just one verse.

1 John 3:19 "Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God.".............

James 27 "Pure and lasting religion in God's sight is caring for the orphans and widows in their troubles, and refuse to let the world corrupt us."(Live a life of love.!!)



1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Reincarnation

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Reincarnation is false.

Hell
Hell is eternal not a hundred years.....

What sins did Jesus die for

all sins, including yours—not just simply“original sin”.


Im guessing the wrong information/disinformation comes from the same place that the “I am that I am” nonsense comes from. Are you the same pistis sophia posting on Candace's site?

Don't forget: that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, urantia book and phoenix journals are false, and there are no "christed" beings.
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The sins we committed here on earth we work of ourselves as the word say an eye for an eye . Not as a punishment but as a valuable life lesson.

Those who doesn't carry the necessary fruit's, as kindness goodness, patience, gentleness, self-control and forgiveness, will find out soon how easy it is for the darkness to deceive them. Candace included
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1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Look at the vast and unlimited universe... and please explain to me again how monkey-brained puny humans are to be condemned to hell in eternity for not making the right choices in a single lifetime?

You f'king ignorant assh_les!

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Humanity is already condemned.

Joh 3:16; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Joh 3:17; For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Joh 3:18; He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.Joh 3:19; And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.Joh 3:20; For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.Joh 3:21;  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Only a sick, demented, angry, jealous, psychopathic murderous entity would condemn its own creation. That entity is NOT the Infinite Consciousness/Mind/Creator. That entity is an archon!![/b
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Who TOLD any of them that they were in Heaven? It may be that they ASSUME it to be Heaven. Are Paradise and Heaven the same place?
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As many I studied nde's many years as a Christian I wasn't satisfied with the teachings from my church and I was seeking truth. I begun to see a pattern many hundreds and thousands saying the same thing Christians and non Christians alike. Study it yourself and make up your own mind. We have to find spiritual truth by following the lead of the Holy Spirit but the Spirit won't lead you if you are not interesting in seeking truth.

I had an extremely difficult life(Job like) and still have, but years ago I received a gift of decrement from God which is a great help to me because there are must more non truth out there than truth.

I want to share what I found for those who have enough love from within to understand and break free from the oppressions we are in from the darkness.


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1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Quoting from your first post:


~~John 6:63 “It is the spirit who gives eternal life, human effort accomplish nothing”, that is what I meant when I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father brings them to me.”


The entire bible takes place within us. And this is very true but it does not cancel out deeds and love in action.

What this means is that, Goodness/God, your own Spirit, is eternal and you are created in the image of Goodness/God, ie like a fractal. We're in a lower form body suit, beast, in tests. So what gives Eternal Life is your Spirit and Connection to Divinity, not your body. And no effort you do in the world, can equal this or progress your soul. Ie. you may study hard, work hard, please your family, gain success, but unless you are overcoming the weaknesses of the flesh and waking up and seeking within from Guidance from Spirit, and growth of Intelligence/Consciousness/Love, you're not on the winning side. The body is not eternal, its a temporal prison for Spirit.

When you turn around your weaknesses, and that involves being kind and giving to other and overcoming: greed, domination, anger, apathy, and many earthly temptations, and meditate and seek within, you pull away from the temporal and the third eye flowers forth bringing forth a strong connection between you and Source and also Higher Self, and you shine that into the world, you begin to achieve Higher Mind, and the body temporal prison transforms into the Temple/Church of Goodness/God/Spirit/Consciousness.

All of this has nothing to do with actions and deeds.

Its merely saying that Spirit and Creator/Source is what saves, your body is just temporal. Clinging to worldly things and ambitions or operating out of greed and anger and weakness does not progress or grow your Spirit.

But the actual process for achieving Higher Mind involves helping others and Love. Doing what you can.
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I am trying to understand what you are saying?

How can spiritual development and deeds of unselfish love towards others not be one and the same? Does it not show that you changed the selfish love into unselfish neighborly love. Darkness from within shows in pride and selfishness and God dwells in light not darkness. As we drive out the darkness, light takes over and this has nothing to do with a perishable body.

I am thinking the both of us are arguing the same truth?


1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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The major error that is see is the idea that this earth is more than a nursery or nursery school for souls, and that there are no schools or advanced lessons in the higher dimensions, that it's only a holding area for your return back to earth. That is so far from the truth.
Our education is only beginning when we arrive in the afterlife. And there is no need to return to nursery school.
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Earth isn't just a nursery school. This is more like post graduate school on steroids. Souls choose incarnation on earth because one lifetime on earth causes the soul to evolve exponentially faster here than in a thousand lifetimes in the higher realms. Earth life is the hardest test to pass. Thus why it may take several lifetimes to graduate. Those who pass the test are viewed as heroes on the other side. Because relatively few souls are brave enough to even give it a shot.
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Now here is the thing. It has nothing to do with what religion you're in, or if you're athiest or not. Love delights in all expressions of Love. If an athiest is overcoming their weaknesses, giving, not just seizing moments to advance in the world, but giving things up for others, and living with conscience and compassion, then they're not even believing in a reward, they're being good for the sake of being good.

Its just that spiritual guidance and support within, throughout our trials, is like a lifeline and helps us in many ways.
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As I said we are arguing the same truth. I am called to bring truth again into the Christian religion and that is as you say" Love delights in all expressions of Love". But without God or Source we as humans doesn't have the strength to become perfect to be able to move from the 4th to the 5th dimension.

Also there are many beings at this moment who are incarnated into a human body who came already from the higher dimensions to earth to help. With others words they are not part of the fallen humanity. As Jesus said He and his disciples are not of this world but from above.


1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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I am writing this anyone, who are seriously seeking truth and am asking those who are against the bible to bare with me on this , there are many contradictions in the word but also much hidden truth.

FAITH VS DEEDS, BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS
Only pure truth is illuminating, whereas teachings interspersed with errors will always leave gasps. What I am going to explain will fill in all the holes .

We start with John 6:63 which is true, but also grossly misunderstood by Christians .

The false presumption many Christians have, because of this verse is: they are chosen by God, the holy spirit reforms the heart and nothing they themselves do , word or deed will bring them closer to God and heaven.

~~John 6:63 “It is the spirit who gives eternal life, human effort accomplish nothing”, that is what I meant when I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father brings them to me.”

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bsflag

you quite a wall of text and I feared that I would need to read it all. Thankfully, that is not the case. Your first comments told me enough to know that you are using some PERVERSION of the Bible.

Here is the verse from God's Word, the King James Bible.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


What you said is nothing like what the King James Bible says.

You are terribly deceived OP or you know exactly what you are doing and you are trying to deceive the rest of us. Either way, you are unworthy of our attention.

Thanks for making this easy for me.
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Thank you OP for this. Those who need it and are ready will hear you.

Peace and Love
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Thank you....you are like a fresh breeze in a pool of darkness. As I try to bring truth the attack from the darkness just spring up with new vigor. I am so tired of fighting against the darkness.

What you say was my prayer yesterday, that the ones who are ready for this truth receive it, for it doesn't come from me.


1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Now here is the thing. It has nothing to do with what religion you're in, or if you're athiest or not. Love delights in all expressions of Love. If an athiest is overcoming their weaknesses, giving, not just seizing moments to advance in the world, but giving things up for others, and living with conscience and compassion, then they're not even believing in a reward, they're being good for the sake of being good.

Its just that spiritual guidance and support within, throughout our trials, is like a lifeline and helps us in many ways.
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As I said we are arguing the same truth. I am called to bring truth again into the Christian religion and that is as you say" Love delights in all expressions of Love". But without God or Source we as humans doesn't have the strength to become perfect to be able to move from the 4th to the 5th dimension.

Also there are many beings at this moment who are incarnated into a human body who came already from the higher dimensions to earth to help. With others words they are not part of the fallen humanity. As Jesus said He and his disciples are not of this world but from above.

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Powerful emotions may accompany love, but it is the commitment of the will that holds true biblical love steadfast and unchanging. Emotions may change, but a commitment to love in a biblical manner endures and is the hallmark of a disciple of Christ. Sadly, the opposite is also true.

Emotions will vary, but a commitment which has its basis in biblical love will not be affected by the whelm of emotion or of one's circumstances.

Our example of true love is shown in God's love for the sinner. Romans 5:8 says ". . .commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." The lost sinner living in rebellion and sin is still loved by the Lord. He loved us enough to die for us and pay our sin debt while we were sinning against Him. This shows that true biblical love is a matter of will....not of emotion. God choose to love us and His love was not based on our meriting it in any way.

1 John 4:8 tells us that ". . . God is love."

The Apostle Paul's discourse in 1 Corinthians 13:1-8, addresses the true righteousness of those who profess Jesus Christ.

"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth. . . " (1 Cor. 13:4-8a)

God is telling us that "charity" which is true biblical "love" does not fail. Relationships based on emotion fail, but those based on the tenants of true biblical love NEVER fail.
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"Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, we have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Luke 3:8

Care to explain why you change the Holy Scriptures. As Abraham was a Jews and they belong to Hebrew.
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My interpretation was in brackets .

Luke 3:8-15

8 Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones. 9 Even now the ax of God’s judgment is poised, ready to sever the roots of the trees. Yes, every tree that does not produce good fruit will be chopped down and thrown into the fire.”

Make sure you have the fruits , for the :


axe at the tree

1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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Trying to make eternal choices based only on books of dubious or occult origin, variable translation, numerous inclusions and exclusions based on questionable criteria and interpretation is automatic madness.
No contract written or implied in vague code or otherwise unable to be be properly interpreted the same by all parties involved is invalid simply because the details are not interpreted the same way.
You can't be properly held accountable to all potential words to be created from a box of Alphabets or books of riddles.
It's fairly clear that any ten people reading the bible will have significantly different interpretations of significant points within it.
I don't comprehend the concept of Gods with time limits, regional limits or other limited time offers for specific groups only.
In the end there is no validity to a contract imposed in secret on anyone with no capability to read or understand the document in every detail.
In the end I believe that Jesus has the answers to universal brotherhood and spiritual growth but there've been too many others looking to selfishly create their own stamp on the faith for their own reasons.
I don't have all the answers but it certainly would be nice that when you finally understand that you need a clear explanation of the rules that you'd get clear unequivocal response so you can finally make sure what the limits are.
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I understand what you are saying, just to much confusion going around, but if we are whole heartily seeking the truth we will find it and when you found it will set you free. In this freedom their is a peace that surpasses all understanding.

Sometimes I think I am not grateful enough for this peace. I want others to have this peace , but it's impossible for those who doesn't have enough light from within.

It's easier for the ones who aren't caught in the shackles of dogma. For the blind are leading the blind from total confusion into destruction.


1 Corinthians 13
If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.

If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
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