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Sandy Hook: The Son of a Kindergarten Teacher

 
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Nowhere in the initial reporting was a specific, Sandy Hook kindergarten teacher cited as the mother of the shooter.

Nowhere, in fact, was a specific Newtown kindergarten teacher--or any kindergarten teacher--cited.

But the reports DID say that the shooter's mother was a kindergarten teacher, and that the shooter was the "son of a colleague," and it was even reported that Dawn Hochsprung herself had "buzzed the shooter in" for that reason.

So...whence Scott Vollmer?

It's ridiculous to confine the issue to Scott Vollmer. There are multiple Sandy Hook kindergarten teachers with teenage/grown sons, and multiple Newtown Public School system kindergarten teachers with teenage/grown sons.

People DO realize that Eric Vollmer, for that matter, was probably the better choice of the two, yes?

Why did first reports claim ALL the shooting took place in kindergarten rooms?

When the building was razed, why was the kindergarten wing razed immediately, instead of the allegedly-affected north hall (with the 1st grade classrooms)?

How on earth would anyone come up with "the shooter was the son of a kindergarten teacher" in the first place? How would someone invent a story about Dawn "buzzing him in" if Dawn hadn't in fact buzzed or otherwise let someone in? I don't think this has anything to do with Manfredonia, personally, since his child was in 1st grade (except to the extent that she was possibly a witness, and especially that he himself was a witness to shots fired LONG after 9:40).

Think of where the Scott Vollmer stuff came from--and how intensely it came. Doesn't that smack just as much of distraction as of reality? What about the multiple other "sons of kindergarten teachers" who could have been involved?

Anyway--this is long-overdue thread on those guys.
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And the most-secret-of-all-kindergarten-teachers in fact has a son of the right age.

Right type? Probably not--but the incredible official obfuscation of her identity should have been enough to put him in the GLP lineup.
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Btw--this IP shapeshifting thing is AWESOME. I can vote for my own threads immediately, and if I wanted to, could pretend to have conversations with myself as two different people.

As you may have noticed over the past two years, I'm more than content to have conversations with myself as myself.
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Thread: Glenn Beck just part of the system?
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(Do you hear that echo, Glenn, lol?)
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Alright.

At any rate, here's a list of Newtown Public Schools teachers with sons in the right age-range.

This is just an exploratory theory, not a list of accusations. But the first reports were almost unequivocal in citing kindergarten teachers, kindergarten-aged victims, and kindergarten teachers' sons as the suspect, so it should be looked at regardless.

In alphabetical order, the as-yet-incomplete list:

Justin Craparo
Eric Vollmer
Scott Vollmer

In the interests of thoroughness, taking into account that the news reporter could have gotten the information wrong and that it was a kindergarten teacher's husband, or other relative, not son:

Chris Manfredonia (husband of K teacher Georgeann)

More to come; and all this said, the Scott Vollmer connections--including the Hoboken thing--remain compelling.
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Because Anne Hadad volunteered at the school and is a dead ringer for who they call nancy Lanza. She also has an special needs son. Husband named peter and lives right down the street.
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Also--we musn't forget "father of a student." With an uncle of a student hiding in the woods, ostensibly carrying a long gun.
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Alex Israel is the person that started the lie that Nancy Lanza was a kindergarten teacher. I believe it was on Piers Morgan. Alex claims to have been a former classmate of Adam Lanza.

The interview is out there if you search for it.

Her twitter handle is @alexisrael and plenty of people have questioned her. She has yet to respond...
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Alex Israel is the person that started the lie that Nancy Lanza was a kindergarten teacher. I believe it was on Piers Morgan. Alex claims to have been a former classmate of Adam Lanza.

The interview is out there if you search for it.

Her twitter handle is @alexisrael and plenty of people have questioned her. She has yet to respond...
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Tnx 113!
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Re: Sandy Hook: The Son of a Kindergarten Teacher
Alex Israel is the person that started the lie that Nancy Lanza was a kindergarten teacher. I believe it was on Piers Morgan. Alex claims to have been a former classmate of Adam Lanza.

The interview is out there if you search for it.

Her twitter handle is @alexisrael and plenty of people have questioned her. She has yet to respond...
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Wonder what her friends make of the claim?
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GA Manfredonia, incidentally, was a K teacher when Adam was allegedly in St. Rose. They both left for good on the same day (end of semester).
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Also--we musn't forget "father of a student." With an uncle of a student hiding in the woods, ostensibly carrying a long gun.
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He was probably a part of Plan B just in case and got nabbed by some real cops? Who knows?
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I believe we've established almost beyond doubt that M's daughter was in Roig's class. She is sitting directly behind Roig in the Glamour photo.
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The deets dont matter. Heck, half the Sandy Hook roster has accounts with acting/modeling agencies.

You can go to their website right now and match up names and faces by the dozens.
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The parents this reporter spoke did not make it sound very much like Sandy Hook had a strict (or possibly any) security system:

Host: "What can you share with our viewers about the security system at Sandy Hook Elementary?

Reporter: "Well, it's funny, because a lot of the parents said that they never really thought much about it before, as far as--you know you go in, you say 'I'm here for my child,' you give the child's name, you give your name, and there really wasn't much of a checks and balance system where you show an ID and they make sure they have a students named 'John Smith' or what have you; there was really no matching system....In this case we don't know how the shooter actually got into the building, so it's hard to say--did he sneak in? Did he make up a fake name? We don't know the answers to these questions. But parents say now they're hoping that there is a strict, strict system in place everywhere, where you have to say--and show ID, and make sure that the principal or whoever is at the front desk knows 'This is my child--I am the parent." So we'll see what's going to happen as far as changes as far as that is concerned, but that is certainly the topic of conversation here as people are waiting for answers as to how this gunman got in the school."

So if officials are going to stick to the story that the visitor either had to be 1) identified as a known person by sight, or 2) validated as an acceptable visitor by flashing an ID, that's almost more suspicious than just saying the doors were unlocked and the guy walked in.

At any rate, if these Sandy Hook parents immediately presumed the shooter simply walked into the school, that doesn't sound like a school whose doors were routinely locked.

After 5:40: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Instead of supporting the "700 students" figure, apologists are now trying to distance themselves from this letter, suggesting it was somehow a media mistake (mistakenly inventing a letter and signing it "Mrs. Hochsprung?) or that it was an "old" letter accidentally used.

Problem being that at no time in Hochsprung's tenure was enrollment at SHS anywhere near 700.

They also suggest that afternoon kindergarten and after-school programs could have accounted for the extra people. Firstly, it's not the case that schools list only half their kindergarteners as enrolled. Whether you go to the morning or afternoon session, you're enrolled in that school. Secondly, the letter was about security during school hours. SHS doors were not locked during before and after-school programs.
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No security is a huge reason to sue. Yet no one sues.
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Instead of supporting the "700 students" figure, apologists are now trying to distance themselves from this letter, suggesting it was somehow a media mistake (mistakenly inventing a letter and signing it "Mrs. Hochsprung?) or that it was an "old" letter accidentally used.

Problem being that at no time in Hochsprung's tenure was enrollment at SHS anywhere near 700.

They also suggest that afternoon kindergarten and after-school programs could have accounted for the extra people. Firstly, it's not the case that schools list only half their kindergarteners as enrolled. Whether you go to the morning or afternoon session, you're enrolled in that school. Secondly, the letter was about security during school hours. SHS doors were not locked during before and after-school programs.
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No security is a huge reason to sue. Yet no one sues.
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Yes, and we live in an essentially surveillance state. We live in a sue-happy nation as well. Functioning security cameras are the norm. Was Lanza buzzed in? No lawsuits in this case with the myriad of reasons to do so simply BOGGLES THE MIND.

It's more than mind-boggling: it's surreal. TPTB have literally taken us into another supra-human dimension.

Does anyone know any lawyers who can give a good legal/rational reason why there have been no lawsuits filed in this case? This makes me CRAZY.
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Alright.

At any rate, here's a list of Newtown Public Schools teachers with sons in the right age-range.

This is just an exploratory theory, not a list of accusations. But the first reports were almost unequivocal in citing kindergarten teachers, kindergarten-aged victims, and kindergarten teachers' sons as the suspect, so it should be looked at regardless.

In alphabetical order, the as-yet-incomplete list:

Justin Craparo
Eric Vollmer
Scott Vollmer

In the interests of thoroughness, taking into account that the news reporter could have gotten the information wrong and that it was a kindergarten teacher's husband, or other relative, not son:

Chris Manfredonia (husband of K teacher Georgeann)

More to come; and all this said, the Scott Vollmer connections--including the Hoboken thing--remain compelling.
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Scott Vollmer is teh only one that works for Bloomberg as far as I know. There is your motive. Game set MATCH
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That doesn't mean he wouldn't hire his brother.
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Have you seen the pictures of Eric on scene? They're an eyebrow-raiser.
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[link to media.crimeblog.it]

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Blue jacket.
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What does he do as a job? He's wearing beaten up green gardeners' Carhartts.
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Various theories incl that he owns a landscaping business
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Instead of supporting the "700 students" figure, apologists are now trying to distance themselves from this letter, suggesting it was somehow a media mistake (mistakenly inventing a letter and signing it "Mrs. Hochsprung?) or that it was an "old" letter accidentally used.

Problem being that at no time in Hochsprung's tenure was enrollment at SHS anywhere near 700.

They also suggest that afternoon kindergarten and after-school programs could have accounted for the extra people. Firstly, it's not the case that schools list only half their kindergarteners as enrolled. Whether you go to the morning or afternoon session, you're enrolled in that school. Secondly, the letter was about security during school hours. SHS doors were not locked during before and after-school programs.
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No security is a huge reason to sue. Yet no one sues.
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Yes, and we live in an essentially surveillance state. We live in a sue-happy nation as well. Functioning security cameras are the norm. Was Lanza buzzed in? No lawsuits in this case with the myriad of reasons to do so simply BOGGLES THE MIND.

It's more than mind-boggling: it's surreal. TPTB have literally taken us into another supra-human dimension.

Does anyone know any lawyers who can give a good legal/rational reason why there have been no lawsuits filed in this case? This makes me CRAZY.
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I did read (once) of a lawsuit from a surviving child's parent but never read about it again. I remember thinking the way the lawsuit was couched didn't accuse the school of improper security but seemed to imply the parents were suing for subjecting their child to Sandy Hook. Many reports have the elementary school being closed, which would explain the small group of children being evacuated and the lack of parents suing. I'm sure the lawsuit was settled out of court with big bucks and a gag order.
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One of the first reports I heard that morning (on the radio), was that it was the 22 year old father of a kindergarten student. That got changed very quickly though, along with the report of 2 men dressed as nuns.
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Re: Sandy Hook: The Son of a Kindergarten Teacher
Alex Israel is the person that started the lie that Nancy Lanza was a kindergarten teacher. I believe it was on Piers Morgan. Alex claims to have been a former classmate of Adam Lanza.

The interview is out there if you search for it.

Her twitter handle is @alexisrael and plenty of people have questioned her. She has yet to respond...
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I'm not sure she was the first but here she is saying it.
IIRC Piers or Alex never apologized, retracted, or corrected this lie.
I guess Piers was the conspiracy theorist this time.

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I'm guessing Alex was just morphing past memories with the current news broadcasts, since she probably literally didn't remember seeing Nancy any time recently and didn't actually know her well enough to be commenting in detail on her current--well, anything.

Or--something more nefarious. Who knows.
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But yes--if one of us had said it?? Stop the presses--we have a sign-stealer!!!

Different standards, for sure.
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The Scott Vollmer theory makes all the puzzle pieces fit. Motive Method Opportunity.

Google Sandy Hook + kindergarten teacher's son.

remember how all day long they said the SHOOTER was the son of a kindergarten teacher - replace Adam Lanza with Scott Vollmer and BEHOLD - mystery solved
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Re: Sandy Hook: The Son of a Kindergarten Teacher
Some unpursued roads to this angle.

No reason to rule out sons of first grade teachers.





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