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Religious Fundamentalism Must Be Destroyed. | |
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Mr. Jackal  User ID: 119475 United States07/19/2006 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These people get under my skin. It's really bad when your religion causes you to be un-patriotic. Quoting: River7471Ahhhh, the irony in that little paragraph, LOL!! So your series of beliefs are superior to the "other guys' beliefs. THINK! Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence. -Henrik Tikkanen |
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| Mr. Jackal User ID: 119475 United States07/19/2006 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Chinese LOVE Confucius....Do you know why? He made the 'worship' of the state as the greater good. All united for the Fatherland--no God...no religion. Billions of wonderfully maleable sheep, all placing their faith on the Nation and it's leaders... Interesting template!! People have a inherent drive to place their faith in something...anything. If it's not Buddha, or Jesus, it's a form of Government, etc... You can't eliminate the freedom of man to fill that inherent VOID. World leaders know this as fact. They will simply fill that void, in the future, with something a little more universal... These religious wars are 'planned' and once we are in the after-math of this new religion-based world war, we will gladly surrender our faith to the first salesman to come along... Problem--Reaction--solution. Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence. -Henrik Tikkanen |
| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | slavery Quoting: Soothsayerpolygamy segregationism women's rights/voting ------------------------------------------ Wow....you claim Christianity responsible for abolishing all these? I thought we were going to discuss facts, not fables. All the references I gave you are from wikipedia. Basic American history. |
| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "slavery Quoting: Naturylpolygamy segregationism women's rights/voting" The Bible *supports* every one of those things. Except women's rights, of course. Paul says women should be seen and not heard. I guess you guys just don't bother to read? I posted the documentation on each of these. Evidently, you ignored it. The Abolition movement started with the Quakers - Baptists, Methodists in both England and America. I posted the wikepedia history. Polygamy is FORBIDDEN in the New Testament for a leader in the church to be a polygamist. Segregation was abolished after the Civil Rights movement that started in the CHURCHES OF ALABAMA. The women's rights movement was pushed by the Christian Womens' Temperance Union, which is why the The Prohibition was also enacted immediately after women got the vote. =========== Do you guys know NOTHING about history? I mean google it! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70681 United States07/19/2006 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "slavery Quoting: Kay 72054polygamy segregationism women's rights/voting" The Bible *supports* every one of those things. Except women's rights, of course. Paul says women should be seen and not heard. I guess you guys just don't bother to read? I posted the documentation on each of these. Evidently, you ignored it. The Abolition movement started with the Quakers - Baptists, Methodists in both England and America. I posted the wikepedia history. Polygamy is FORBIDDEN in the New Testament for a leader in the church to be a polygamist. Segregation was abolished after the Civil Rights movement that started in the CHURCHES OF ALABAMA. The women's rights movement was pushed by the Christian Womens' Temperance Union, which is why the The Prohibition was also enacted immediately after women got the vote. =========== Do you guys know NOTHING about history? I mean google it! Congratulations. Christianity fixed what Christianity brought to this world! Slavery - white Christian men started this trade. Abolished. Segregation - white Christian Americans started this. Civil rights movement. etc etc etc. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83512 United States07/19/2006 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The church teaches a contempt for earthly life and that to reach some imagined "heaven" is the main goal of life... The church teaches that this goal can be achieved only as the reward for obedience and meekness. The church threatens the wrath of God and the torment of hell for those who dare to oppose its teaching. But Materialism liberates us, teaches us not to hope for happiness beyond the grave but to prize life on earth and strive always to improve it. Materialism restores to man his dignity and his intellectual integrity. Man is not a worm condemned to crawl in the dust, but a human being capable of mastering the forces of nature and making them serve him. Materialism compels faith in the human intellect, in the power of knowledge in man´s ability to fathom all the secrets of nature and to create a social system based upon reason and justice. Materialism´s faith is in man and his ability to transform the world by his own efforts. It is a philosophy in every essence optimistic, life-asserting, and radiant. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation, and impossible without noble ideals that inspire men to struggle, to perform bold, creative work." |
| Mr. Jackal User ID: 119475 United States07/19/2006 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said that the Bible supports those nasty things. And it does. Try reading it - and not just the parts your church approves of. Quoting: Naturylso tell me, have you read the Bible?? ...And not just the parts your *CHURCH* approves of. Get it? Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence. -Henrik Tikkanen |
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| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "slavery Quoting: Naturylpolygamy segregationism women's rights/voting" The Bible *supports* every one of those things. Except women's rights, of course. Paul says women should be seen and not heard. you are confused about what Paul said. Consider this, there was no PA system in the 1st century. There were thousands of people crowding in to hear the teachings of the 'new' religion. Women were in the back of the crowd with the children, where it was noisy. If you read what Paul says, it is saying, 'tell the women not to shout to their husbands in the room. they want to know what was said, ask later and don't disturb the meeting.' So, what happened, is the women couldn't HEAR, and they would call out to their husbands saying, 'what did he say?' and they would yell back and forth. Then, it was a mess. So, Paul said, shut-up in the church. if you can't hear, talk about it at home. Don't turn the church meeting into a circus. =========== This has been used against Christianity for I don't know how long, has been abused by MEN to oppress women, but it is certainly not what was said. Why don't you read about it here: www.bible.com |
| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, I get it, and yep, I have. Quoting: NaturylIt supports polygamy, slavery, racism, and misogyny. Why do you want to stay in your ignorance? You are wrong. =========================== 1 Timothy 3:2 (Whole Chapter) Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher, 1 Timothy 3:12 (Whole Chapter) Let deacons be the husbands of but one wife, and let them manage [their] children and their own households well. Titus 1:6 (Whole Chapter) [These elders should be] men who are of unquestionable integrity and are irreproachable, the husband of [but] one wife, whose children are [well trained and are] believers, not open to the accusation of being loose in morals and conduct or unruly and disorderly ============== Again, in order to be a leader in the church, it was forbidden for that man to be a polygamist. |
| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "slavery Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70681polygamy segregationism women's rights/voting" The Bible *supports* every one of those things. Except women's rights, of course. Paul says women should be seen and not heard. I guess you guys just don't bother to read? I posted the documentation on each of these. Evidently, you ignored it. The Abolition movement started with the Quakers - Baptists, Methodists in both England and America. I posted the wikepedia history. Polygamy is FORBIDDEN in the New Testament for a leader in the church to be a polygamist. Segregation was abolished after the Civil Rights movement that started in the CHURCHES OF ALABAMA. The women's rights movement was pushed by the Christian Womens' Temperance Union, which is why the The Prohibition was also enacted immediately after women got the vote. =========== Do you guys know NOTHING about history? I mean google it! Congratulations. Christianity fixed what Christianity brought to this world! Slavery - white Christian men started this trade. Abolished. Segregation - white Christian Americans started this. Civil rights movement. =============== Is there something really wrong with you? Slavery existed thousands of years before Christianity came into being. etc etc etc. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone said the Old Testament was 'nasty' and that is far from the truth. Quoting: Soothsayer------------------------------------------- The OT is nothing more than revisionist history. The 'jubilee' is just one example. It is the basis for our bankruptcy laws today. ------------------------------------------- Which bankruptcy laws? They have changed TWICE in the last ten years to make bankruptcy less desireable for the common citizen. Does this change the fact that the concept of 'only 7 years in bondage to a lender' came from the Old Testament? |
| Mr. Jackal User ID: 119475 United States07/19/2006 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "slavery Quoting: Kay 72054polygamy segregationism women's rights/voting" The Bible *supports* every one of those things. Except women's rights, of course. Paul says women should be seen and not heard. you are confused about what Paul said. Consider this, there was no PA system in the 1st century. There were thousands of people crowding in to hear the teachings of the 'new' religion. Women were in the back of the crowd with the children, where it was noisy. If you read what Paul says, it is saying, 'tell the women not to shout to their husbands in the room. they want to know what was said, ask later and don't disturb the meeting.' So, what happened, is the women couldn't HEAR, and they would call out to their husbands saying, 'what did he say?' and they would yell back and forth. Then, it was a mess. So, Paul said, shut-up in the church. if you can't hear, talk about it at home. Don't turn the church meeting into a circus. =========== This has been used against Christianity for I don't know how long, has been abused by MEN to oppress women, but it is certainly not what was said. Why don't you read about it here: www.bible.com Forget it Kay...Naturyl never read the Bible...He's read the bits and pieces that will further push his humanist agenda. Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence. -Henrik Tikkanen |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 119467 United States07/19/2006 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | kay, i agree with you, except if you want to find the origins of science & what fueled the Renaissance, you'd have to look into Islam. Moorish Spain was far more enlightened than the rest of Catholic Europe. algebra comes from al-jabr. Christianity is being divided in two - those who truly believe Jesus' teachings like the Sermon on the Mount, and those who are willing to kill for "Christian culture and our way of life". |
| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently jesus has little to do with christianity, if he did do you think he would want us sucking the asses of those he clearly dispised? The problem with religious fundamentalism is it is guided by men with agendas of power. Quoting: Interdimensional warrior 5545I posted on an earlier page what 'fundamentalists' think of George Bush. Just because men with agendas of power choose to fake the fact that they are 'christians' doesn't mean that they are. It would be like saying you should sail the ocean because there are pirates on the seas. Or you shouldn't write a book because there are bad authors out there. It's absurd. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70681 United States07/19/2006 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LISTEN UP EVERYBODY JESUS KILT HISEMFL UP ON THE CROS SSO WE THAT WE CAN GO TO HEAVEN ALRIGHT. MY PASTOR TELLS US THAT EVEN THOUGH WE CAN COMMIT BAD THING SIN OUR LIFE LIKE RAP AND E STEALING N STUFF AS LONG AS YOU KNOW ITS WRONG WHEN YOUR DOING IT AND JUST PRAY TO JESUS AND ACCEPT HIM AND BE SAVED THEN ALL OIS WELL SO WHAT WRON WITH THAT ??? HOW CAN ANYONE MAKE FUN OF JESU SWHO KILT HIMSELF ON THE CROSS WHEN HE WILL LET YOU DO ALL THAT COOL STUFF FOR FREE??? ANYHOW JUS TMY OPINO BUT HONESTLY IF YOU WANT TO NOT GO TO HELL AND I F YOU WANT A FREE TICKET TO HEAVEN EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT LIKE TO DO BAD THING SI'D SUGGEST YOU GET TO KNOW JESUS REAL QUICK. THANKS FOR LISTENING..... WWJD4EVER |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 117828 United States07/19/2006 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you promoting genocide again, Adolph? Quoting: NaturylShame on you! Nope. I did not say that fundies themselves must be destroyed. What must be destroyed is the *belief.* Can't make that distinction? Not surprising. You must be either an ignormaus atheist OR  . You cannot destroy a belief or an idea, less alone a religious one. Show me one idea or belief that have been truly destroyed throughout human history please or you're FUBAR.  |
| Kay User ID: 72054 United States07/19/2006 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | kay, i agree with you, except if you want to find the origins of science & what fueled the Renaissance, you'd have to look into Islam. Moorish Spain was far more enlightened than the rest of Catholic Europe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 119467algebra comes from al-jabr. I was not saying that Christianity is the only belief system that has accomplished something. Yes, there have been scientific/mathematic discoveries by Islam. I was actually talking about social progress. ===================== I think you would agree with me that maybe instead of this: Christianity is being divided in two - those who truly believe Jesus' teachings like the Sermon on the Mount, and those who are willing to kill for "Christian culture and our way of life". You really mean: Christian culture/Western society is divided int two; those who truly believe Jesus' teachings like the Sermon on the Mount, and those who are willing to kill for a POST-Christian culture and way of life. ========== I think people see POST-CHRISTIAN culture and think it is Christian culture. It is not. |
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