Religious Fundamentalism Must Be Destroyed.

I think you are getting two different terms mixed up:

Colonists
Christians.

They are NOT the same thing.


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What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.

See? Religious types think everyone has a Satanic agenda if they don't praise their preachiness. What a buncha self-righteous twattery.


why do you feel it necessary to pigeon hole someone as religious so that you can then make them an easy target . . . incapable of meeting them where they truly stand perhaps . . .???

See? Religious types think everyone has a Satanic agenda if they don't praise their preachiness. What a buncha self-righteous twattery.


why do you feel it necessary to pigeon hole someone as religious so that you can then make them an easy target . . . incapable of meeting them where they truly stand perhaps . . .???



I'm quite certain there is nothing I could say that would make you change your religious views, no matter how much logic gets thrown at you. Your faith makes you selectively deaf and illogical. Nor do I care to change your religious views. I'm all for you believing whatever you want. Can you say the same? I rather doubt it.

Paul said "servants, obey your masters." The word for "servants" is *douloi*, which is roughly equivalent to our "slave," meaning someone serving *involuntarily.* Christ also spoke of involuntary servitude without disapproval. At the very least, the New Testament does not condemn slavery.

Naturyl, Jesus Christ referred to the Old Testament often. I guess you know more than Him????????

What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.


I certainly hope so, but I doubt it. You and a few others might do those things (and more power to you if you do), but I think the majority of fundie Christians will remain primarily interested in themselves and their churches. That is what the evidence suggests.

What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.


I certainly hope so, but I doubt it. You and a few others might do those things (and more power to you if you do), but I think the majority of fundie Christians will remain primarily interested in themselves and their churches. That is what the evidence suggests.


You'll be wrong, and you are not showing any evidence, just using intellectual dishonesty again!

Shame on you! You can do better!

What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.


I certainly hope so, but I doubt it. You and a few others might do those things (and more power to you if you do), but I think the majority of fundie Christians will remain primarily interested in themselves and their churches. That is what the evidence suggests.


You'll be wrong, and you are not showing any evidence, just using intellectual dishonesty again!

Shame on you! You can do better!


I won't be wrong, I'm not being intellectually dishonest, and what's more, I'm pretty sure you don't know what "intellectual dishonesty" actually means.

The evidence is all around. Fundies have given us an overwhelming mountain of evidence by which we may reasonably judge their values and priorities. And for the majority of them, helping the poor is not high on the list.

What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.


I certainly hope so, but I doubt it. You and a few others might do those things (and more power to you if you do), but I think the majority of fundie Christians will remain primarily interested in themselves and their churches. That is what the evidence suggests.


You'll be wrong, and you are not showing any evidence, just using intellectual dishonesty again!

Shame on you! You can do better!


I won't be wrong, I'm not being intellectually dishonest, and what's more, I'm pretty sure you don't know what "intellectual dishonesty" actually means.

The evidence is all around. Fundies have given us an overwhelming mountain of evidence by which we may reasonably judge their values and priorities. And for the majority of them, helping the poor is not high on the list.

What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.

What will us nosey, prosey, annoying Christians do with ourselves then? You'll see an increase in missionary work, disaster relief, helping the poor, etc.

I am actually opposed to abortion, even in cases of rape or incest -- since it cannot be right to punish a child for the crimes of its father.

As for right-wing Christians -- I strongly suggest that you watch this video:

[link to www.theocracywatch.org]

Who has said that Christianity started either of those things?

Who has said that Christianity started either of those things?



Naturyl said it.

without the Bible we'd still be living in barbarianism







Yeah. And with it, we are living in even more barbarism.

Without the Bible (and the 1000 year Dark Age it helped cause), we might all be living in the Star Trek world.

Yeah, I'm actually serious.



I spent a good deal of time showing you the roots of the different movements in the last 200-300 years.

They were based upon concepts of the New Testament.

What, you didn't like hearing about that? Or you choose to ignore it, so that you can keep your fantasy that the Bible is 'barbaric'?

I am talking, of course, of the elimination of slavery, voting for women, civil right movement of the '60s, to name a few.

These were all rooting in devout people of the Church.


It was pointed out to you that all of these problems you claimed Christianity fixed were caused by Christianity in the first place.

In addition, any progress that can be credited to Christianity came from the liberal elements. Liberal Christians fixed the problems the fundies created. If the fundies had their way, we'd have most of the problems back.

Christianity has not started these things but was a major player in both

Southern baptists fought to keep slavery as the bible states that one can have slaves. If it's in the bible fundamentally it cannot be wrong.

"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from the nations that are round about you.
You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property.
You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness."
– Leviticus 25.44

No racism in Christianity.....Fundamentalists are disagreeing with you

The Legion of Saints group says it:

is a theo-political, Christian Identity Church organization, governed by the will of the Creator, our Father YHVH, outlined in His Holy word, the Bible.
We stand on the principles of Racial segregation and White Racial supremacy. We believe that the White Race, are the direct descendants of the Adamic man made in the image of YHVH, in the of garden of Eden; and was placed here to be the light bearer and supreme ruling Race of this lost and dying world.

These are your words:

It was pointed out to you that all of these problems you claimed Christianity fixed were caused by Christianity in the first place.

In addition, any progress that can be credited to Christianity came from the liberal elements. Liberal Christians fixed the problems the fundies created. If the fundies had their way, we'd have most of the problems back.

Quoting: Naturyl

without the Bible we'd still be living in barbarianism







Yeah. And with it, we are living in even more barbarism.

Without the Bible (and the 1000 year Dark Age it helped cause), we might all be living in the Star Trek world.

Yeah, I'm actually serious.



I spent a good deal of time showing you the roots of the different movements in the last 200-300 years.

They were based upon concepts of the New Testament.

What, you didn't like hearing about that? Or you choose to ignore it, so that you can keep your fantasy that the Bible is 'barbaric'?

I am talking, of course, of the elimination of slavery, voting for women, civil right movement of the '60s, to name a few.

These were all rooting in devout people of the Church.


It was pointed out to you that all of these problems you claimed Christianity fixed were caused by Christianity in the first place.

In addition, any progress that can be credited to Christianity came from the liberal elements. Liberal Christians fixed the problems the fundies created. If the fundies had their way, we'd have most of the problems back.






Here.

These are your words:

It was pointed out to you that all of these problems you claimed Christianity fixed were caused by Christianity in the first place.

In addition, any progress that can be credited to Christianity came from the liberal elements. Liberal Christians fixed the problems the fundies created. If the fundies had their way, we'd have most of the problems back.

Quoting: Naturyl


What I meant was that acceptance of slavery was promoted by Christianity for many centuries, not that Christianity "invented" slavery.

Jeez.

Who has said that Christianity started either of those things?



Naturyl said it.


Don't lie.

Quote me saying it. Include a link to the actual post, so it can be verified.

If you can't, have some integrity and apologize for lying.

Christianity has not started these things but was a major player in both

Southern baptists fought to keep slavery as the bible states that one can have slaves. If it's in the bible fundamentally it cannot be wrong.

"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from the nations that are round about you.
You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property.
You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness."
– Leviticus 25.44

No racism in Christianity.....Fundamentalists are disagreeing with you

The Legion of Saints group says it:

is a theo-political, Christian Identity Church organization, governed by the will of the Creator, our Father YHVH, outlined in His Holy word, the Bible.
We stand on the principles of Racial segregation and White Racial supremacy. We believe that the White Race, are the direct descendants of the Adamic man made in the image of YHVH, in the of garden of Eden; and was placed here to be the light bearer and supreme ruling Race of this lost and dying world.




Regarding the first quote in Leviticus. Surely you don't think that Christians keep the Hebrew Law? I mean really, it was wiped out when Jesus died on the cross. It is totally irrelevant to a Christian.

Besides, that was a CIVIL law that was decreed for a particular, specific CIVIL SOCIETY, ie the nation of Israel. It is also completely irrelevant to someone who doesn't live in that civilization.

In regards to the second, it sounds like the Klu Klux Klan or neonazis or something. I am only really discussing the position of 'fundamentalist' Christians, not any heresey (id dominionism) or Judaism or Nazism.

Give me a Break! I wouldn't try to defend them anyways!

And you can say that 'liberal' Churches were the vanguard of these liberation movements, but that is wrong. They were 'fundamentalists' in the proper definition of the term.