Free Will is a Delusion

Watch this:

Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random.

Premise 2: All human actions are events.

Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random.

If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen.

And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random.

"Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is.

We don't have free will

But we do have freedom of choice

... piffle again.... and here I thought you said that 'free will is meaningless'... lol, guess not, huh?

we are not an event we are "beings' hence beyond space and time.

we are not an event we are "beings' hence beyond space and time.


Ah, I see. Since that is the case, please fly around the world in a split second and rid it of all nuclear weapons.

Done yet?

since you claim you have no free will

how are you able to resist God and lie about Him?

You dont know where your thoughts come from therefore how can you choose anything?

You dont know where your thoughts come from therefore how can you choose anything?

You dont know where your thoughts come from therefore how can you choose anything?

... piffle again.... and here I thought you said that 'free will is meaningless'... lol, guess not, huh?


The concept itself is meaningless, because it signifies nothing but a misunderstanding. The implications of (deluded) belief in free will, however, are far from meaningless.

Not bad for a logical approach to the question of free will, Naturyl... but it's possible to have two premises that are correct, yet have a false conclusion.

Premise 1: All german shepherds are dogs

Premise 2: All dogs are mammals

Conclusion: All mammals are dogs.



But your logic is better than that, of course.

Somewhere along the line (arguing for the sake of freewill) you probably made a mistake. I'd say that it was your first premise that was faulty... you rely on an imperfect understanding of physics, since humans haven't figured it all out yet. Free will is still an option :P

We don't have free will

But we do have freedom of choice


This reminds me of that Alex Jones movie where he interviews a woman who says "I think we should give up our liberty for freedom."

we are not an event we are "beings' hence beyond space and time.


Ah, I see. Since that is the case, please fly around the world in a split second and rid it of all nuclear weapons.

Done yet?

IDIOTS


UNDERSTAND THIS:

when you choose to do something, it comes from thoughts, those thoughts come from a combo of your internal neuron activity combined with external stimuli. example: you clicked into this thread and thoughts result and you typed something. you still cant explain how thats free will.

dont you understand. god damn.

FREE WILL


There are those who think that life
Has nothing left to chance
With a host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance

A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
The stars arent aligned ---
Or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path thats clear
I will choose free will

There are those who think that theyve been dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them ---
They werent born in lotus-land

All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face
You cant pray for a place
In heavens unearthly estate

Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt
Thats far too fleet..

In my view, most human actions are caused, while a very few may be random. In order for an action to be truly random, tiny uncaused quantum fluctuations in the brain would have to propagate and "snowball" in such a way as to trigger a full scale physiological or mental event, which is rather difficult from a neurological perspective. Such quantum fluctuations are so insignificant as to be inconsequential at the macroscopic level in almost all cases.

Watch this:

Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random.

Premise 2: All human actions are events.

Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random.

If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen.

And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random.

"Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is.

we are not an event we are "beings' hence beyond space and time.


Ah, I see. Since that is the case, please fly around the world in a split second and rid it of all nuclear weapons.

Done yet?


... cain't go against the 'prime directive', and don't ya know? Oh, and btw, lol, said like a true materialist kinda guy too.