Excuse me, what do the above words have to do with the fact that you have no choose because all choose narrows down to thoughts and thoughts come from previous stimuli, which comes from stimuli before that and you dont know where the fuck your thoughts comefrom therefore you have no free will? whats it got to do with the thread?

thanks.


It has everything to do with the thread... If OP's logic was flawless, then there'd be no discussion. For us to have a discussion, I first had to question the validity of his logic, which could only be done by using counter-logic :P

As for stimuli, you're talking about cause & effect of course. Keep in mind though, that cause & effect is based on a perception of linear time.

A leads to B leads to C.

What, however, if A was *beyond* linear time and saw that A would lead to B, changed his mind, and went another way? In that *moment* of non-linear time, there *would* be free will... That's why I said Premise 1 was most likely based on faulty information, since physics may well show time is NOT linear. I think all events are either caused, random, or they JUST ARE... See?

If *some* events JUST ARE... then free will does exist, just like causality obviously does exist. Why does one exclude the other?