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Message Subject All prophecies the bible says will happen in End Times are happening or almost completed at present
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"



"man" of sin, isn't necessitating a single man.

"the son" has the same effect.


men of lawlessness...sons of perdition.


But, whatever.
 Quoting: Faybull 63896239


Exactly.

man of lawlessness, man of sin, the beast, the antichrist.

Jesus said "When you see him standing in the holy place" -
so we can call this person any of the above names, and all would be appropriate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64502853



Exactly, what?

It isn't one person.
 Quoting: Faybull 63896239


Here is an outline why I believe antichrist is one man and not an idol (supporting verses to follow), and has yet to make an entrance. - see Dan 8 verses below.

Now - this "person" devours the entire earth - tramping it into pieces.
who has done this in the past? No one has ever controlled the entire earth.
This person is to be worshiped world wide by Everyone or be killed.
This person doesn't set up an idol (paul knows what an idol is and says "man" not idol)
He sets himself up to be God.
He is cruel, fierce and knows not the god's of his fathers
doesn't not have the desire of woman.
No one can make war with him - he is too powerful.
He comes up as the eleventh horn - after the 10 horns(kings), and subdues 3 of them.
He has the 10 kings take out the woman on the beast (mystery babylon) Rev. 17:16-18
His origins are of the revived roman empire of end times.
Jesus takes him out at armeggdon and the devil after the millenium - so 2 different critters.
The antichrists kingdom is the last earthly kingdom before Jesus returns.
According to Mathew 24, Daniel and Revelation he rules during the great tribulation.
After "he" stands in the temple he sends an army after the fleeing Jews who are protected
by God for 3 1/2 years in the mountains. Failing that, he goes after christians (5th seal Revelation).

Jesus says let no man deceive you in Mathew 24 and Revelation 6.
Paul starts out talking about this "man" saying let no man deceive you.
Paul says he will sit in the temple showing himself to be God.
Paul is an x-pharisee - he most certainly knows what a temple is.
Daniel tells us this person will obtain power by flattery and deceit.
So Jesus, Daniel, Paul agree it is a person who uses deception to gain power.
Daniel and Jesus both tell us it is an abomination of desolation, then Daniel
spends some time filling in the description of this abomination and one can
only conclude it is a man.

Daniel 8 says won't show up until we have ability to make war without touching the earth - i.e. drones, aircraft:

Was a time only chariots and horses used. note: *Alexander the great was not the first king of greece. If ISIS proceeds to overtake more countries - it could eventually conquer the land that was once medo-persia. *Links to follow in another post.

Daniel 8
5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

Daniel told vision is not going to happen until the end of time.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Again Daniel is told vision will be at the end of time.

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

After the large one horn is broken into four - out of one of them comes the antichrist

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Mathew 24

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Jesus is talking about a deception before he talks about him in the holy place


Paul takes time developing it being the scholor that he is


2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Daniel 7

23.....and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Daniel 10 note: Daniel 10, 11, 12 are all one vision

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.


Daniel 12

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah reinforces the fact that the world will be destroyed - the end of the world as Jesus says.

Isaiah 24 - 26

Isaiah 24

1. Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty, He makes it waste, and turns it upside down, and scatters abroad its inhabitants.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and its transgression shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Verses 13 - 20: The Withering is the harbinger of a final calamitous end: YHWH will bring the last stroke which will be felt universally and there will be no escape. The pictures of the olive tree with all of its olives on the ground and none left to harvest and of all the grapes of the vineyard not only on the ground but crushed gives an image to total and sudden destruction. The reeling of the earth through space is coincident with its final moments.

21 And it shall happen in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the highest of those on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD has spoken this word. 4 The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away, the haughty people of the earth languish.

Verses 3 and 4: A Protracted calamity. Intensifying Hebrew idioms are used in each of the descriptive events in these two verses not just in the words emptied and spoiled. The mourning, fading and languishing are also intensified in the text. Not only the earth itself but the "world" as the world system meaning the whole of human interaction in trade, travel, communication, arts, sciences and technology; all are to be brought to a withering before the end. It is the word "languish" or "wither" that carries the idea of the events being a protracted calamity and not an event of a moment of time.

5 The earth also is defiled through its inhabitants; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore has cursing devoured the earth, and they that dwell in it are at fault: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. 7 The new wine mourns, the vine languishes, all the merry hearted sigh. 8 The mirth of tabrets ceases, the noise of them that rejoice ends, the joy of the harp ceases. 9 They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it. 10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, so that no man may come in. 11 There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone. 12 Desolation is left in the city and the gate is struck with destruction.

Verses 5 - 12: The Withering is Due to Human Responsibility : The condition of the earth just before the end seems to be one or of exhaustion of resources. This certainly brings to mind the depletion of natural resources, the hole in the ozone and increase in withering effects of the sun through the inhabitants who have broken natural laws to their own cursing. In verse 5 "The earth is defiled by its inhabitants" and in verse 6 "they that dwell in it are at fault." The final destruction is to be brought by YHWH but the calamities leading up to the end of the earth are the responsibility of these living on the earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43733586


Exactly meaning:

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is not one person he is 3


2 Thessalonians 2

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

antichrist is indwelled by satan - but they are 2 critters. In Revelation Jesus throws one in lake of fire before millennial reign, and one in lake of fire after the millennial reign.
 
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