All prophecies the bible says will happen in End Times are happening or almost completed at present

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Yep...... Come quickly Lord Jesus!

Where in the bible does it say only Christians will go to heaven? I can't find a single verse stating that. It must have been made up by people.

There is no way to the Father, except through the Son.

How is that for starters?

If a part of God was on earth for a time and soon withdraws what saith thou?

I don't recall any of trumpet judgements where: 1/3 of trees, grass earth burn up or 1/3 of all sea life is destroyed. Or men being tortured for having mark of beast, or 1/3 men killed on earth.

Here is an outline of book of Revelation - with supporting verses from Mathew 24, so no one can claim it is symbolic.

Revelation timeline:

7 seal judgements: - Mathew 24, what Jesus calls time of sorrows

First four seal judgements horses of apocalypse start journey -
1) NWO-globalization - by deception; Math 24, see that no man deceives you.
2) war(terrorism?) - Math 24, nation will rise against nation.
3) price of food soars, - Math 24, there will be famine in diverse places.
4) 1/4 part men dies (hunger,pestilence, catastrophes, etc) - Math 24, disease; earthquakes.

5) Christians are killed for believing in Jesus - Math 24, many will be killed for my namesake

6) Great earthquake and many signs in sky take place. Acts 2 supports this. men hide in caves fearing wrath of God.

7) Opens up the seven trumpet judgements.

The 144,000 witnesses who are sealed (protected) - and all hell is literally unleashed on earth.

7 Trumpet judgements:

1) 1/3 of all trees destroyed, all grass burned up.

2) Sun, moon stars all effect what is going to happen on earth(differently).

3) 1/3 of sea life, and ships - die and destroyed.

4) The fresh water supply becomes poisonous.

5) Men that received mark are tortured 5 months

6) Another 1/3 part men dies (war? ELE????) in a little over a year.

7) Opens up the seven vial judgements.

Characters of Revelation: first beast(AC), second beast(false prophet), woman on the beast (mystery babylon).

The AC ultimately destroys the woman on the beast, mystery babylon (USD? elite? Fed?).

The AC's sidekick (false prophet) tells all they must worship AC's image, and take a mark to buy or sell.
If anyone does this they are "lost forever".

Meanwhile the earth is going through such turmoil everyone is asking what is going on - sound familiar?

We will hear the gospel from the 144,000 who will be given a song no man can learn, and temple rebuilt.

2 witnesses will appear - and preach the gospel. After 3 1/2 years will be killed by beast.

They will lay in street 3 days and in front of the whole world God will ascend them into heaven.

The easiest part of all this time to recognize is the last 3 1/2 years:

All nations will surround Jerusalem. The AC will go in and defile the temple sanctuary. and declare himself to be God. He will then rule the world. He and his sidekick will be able to perform miracles.

7 Vial judgements: At the end of time - only people with mark of beast should be around to receive the double portion of God's wrath - you definitely don't want to be around for this.

Then Jesus meets beast in what is know as armegeddon. Throws the beast in lake of fire, puts satan in pit for 1000 years. After 1000 years satan is released. Tries to get nations to go against Jersusalem. After satan looses that battle is thrown into lake of fire.

God creates new heaven and earth. Jerusalem is center, and God will live with us.


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Beast (EU, antichrst)
Sidekick - false Prophet 2nd beast revelation - USA , China?

There will be absolutely nothing to stop evil from becoming totally pervasive over the entire earth.

Meaning all last days prophecies will come true:

2 timothy 3, Isaiah 2, 2 peter 3 etc:

2 Peter 3

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV)

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

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Isaiah 2:2,3 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (3) And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. The same theme has been repeated often in Isaiah and will be brought up again and again and will be the theme of the very last chapter of the book. It is the day of the events that will justify the patience and suffering of the nation as they await God's promises.

Rev 1:3

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

luke 21

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Do you know what it means to "turn"? It will "TURN" to you as a testimony. I know, do you? Try reading Isaiah, with emphasis on 59:14 and notice the "turning away backwards".

Dispensationalism is man's works that have dispensed Christ's IDENTITY among the wicked world before they receive their reward for Christ has not yet returned to pass out their rewards but they lie and say it has already come 2k years ago, and this also denies and refuses the next appearance which must be soon.

This spiritual phenomenon is also parallel to the mockery in Star Trek where they transport people and they sometimes are suspended in the de-materialized state when the transport machine fails during operation.

Eschatology is the art of dissecting Christ's ID into particles and then re-materialize Him as you wish.

Men, especially religious scholars are the most danger to God in this current world order.

I have a ton of proof that I can copy and paste to dump into your laps but nobody likes to read these days as it's become a world of "texted" words with sounds. They say, "please condense it into a few words that people can understand". Well, I will then say that they are brainwashed and are likely "texting"-freaks, maybe.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

From biblehub.com Matthew 27:The Death of Jesus
…52The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. 54Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"…

Hebrews 9:27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Matthew 24: 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

1Corinthians15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

But flesh has just been saved for the elect's sake.
Ephesians 4: 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Where would Christ have put the elect that arose from their tombs and were taken from Hades? In the last generation. Matthew 24:34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Refer back to Hebrews 9:27 the first fruits of the first resurrection with Christ have met the requirements of sin. Paul proclaims from Ephesians 4 that they are back in the last generation.
Matthew 20:16So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many are called, but few chosen.

The disciples ask Christ when the end would come. He predicted the destruction of the 2nd Temple and then fast forwards to this time in the Olivet Discourse. The first part spanned 70 years from 00 to 70AD when the 2nd Temple was destroyed. In the last, Israel became a nation in 1948 under rothschild babylonian occupation which will end in another 70 year increment of as per Old testament judgment in 2018.
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This 4-blood moon tetrad that we are currently in the midst of is unquestionably a major sign from God. Any thoughts on what this sign might be? Tribulation, maybe?

I do believe it is.

There are too many places in the bible that says the moon will turn to blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord.

Acts 2:20 says it will happen before the day of the Lord. Many believe the day of the Lord means the great tribulation.

If that's so - then it is before the great trib.

Acts 2:20

King James Bible
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

It is a word for all of us - don't be intimidated in any way by you enemies.

Trust in God, he will provide and take care of you.

Christians are being persecuted in many countries for their beliefs - this should not stop them from giving the testimony of Jesus. If not christians until the 144,000 come - THEN WHO?????

Matthew 24:14

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mathew 24 is mean't for the entire world - not just a few.

When the disciples ask - Master when will the end of the world come - he is talking to all of us not just the disciples. So ALL of Mathew 24 is spoken to all mankind.

Yes, that's what I'm thinking as well. Over these last several years we have been seeing many of the end time signs... From the incredible amount of EQs, animal deaths, etc... But this may be "THE" sign to usher in the Trib.

What makes this tetrad even more intriguing is the fact that each of these 4 blood moons just happen to fall on the Lords Holy days (feast days). We are definitely living in prophetic days, my friend!

Yep - everything God and Jesus said would come true - is.

Therefore, I have no doubt the rest will.

There is a prophecy that states "men's hearts will fail for fear of what is to come".

I have a friend who believes this is in relation to the blood moons. That the phrase "the sun will be dark and the moon blood will cause men's hearts to fail" because a huge asteroid will head towards the earth and blot out the light of the sun - during a blood moon. This would fit the prophecy of Acts 2:20.

Not only that - fulfill the first of the trumpet judgements where 1/3 of grass and trees is burned up, and cause men to hide in caves.

Interesting.

Here's a link to wiki that tells about the asteroid that nearly hit Tunguska, Russia if you haven't already read about it:

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Testimony of S. Semenov, as recorded by Leonid Kulik's expedition in 1930:[17]

At breakfast time I was sitting by the house at Vanavara Trading Post [65 kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. [...] I suddenly saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about 50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot that I couldn't bear it, as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side, where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling or cannons were firing, the earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up, hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many windows were shattered, and in the barn a part of the iron lock snapped.

Testimony of Chuchan of Shanyagir tribe, as recorded by I. M. Suslov in 1926:[18]

We had a hut by the river with my brother Chekaren. We were sleeping. Suddenly we both woke up at the same time. Somebody shoved us. We heard whistling and felt strong wind. Chekaren said, 'Can you hear all those birds flying overhead?' We were both in the hut, couldn't see what was going on outside. Suddenly, I got shoved again, this time so hard I fell into the fire. I got scared. Chekaren got scared too. We started crying out for father, mother, brother, but no one answered. There was noise beyond the hut, we could hear trees falling down. Chekaren and I got out of our sleeping bags and wanted to run out, but then the thunder struck. This was the first thunder. The Earth began to move and rock, wind hit our hut and knocked it over. My body was pushed down by sticks, but my head was in the clear. Then I saw a wonder: trees were falling, the branches were on fire, it became mighty bright, how can I say this, as if there was a second sun, my eyes were hurting, I even closed them. It was like what the Russians call lightning. And immediately there was a loud thunderclap. This was the second thunder. The morning was sunny, there were no clouds, our Sun was shining brightly as usual, and suddenly there came a second one!

Chekaren and I had some difficulty getting out from under the remains of our hut. Then we saw that above, but in a different place, there was another flash, and loud thunder came. This was the third thunder strike. Wind came again, knocked us off our feet, struck against the fallen trees.

We looked at the fallen trees, watched the tree tops get snapped off, watched the fires. Suddenly Chekaren yelled "Look up" and pointed with his hand. I looked there and saw another flash, and it made another thunder. But the noise was less than before. This was the fourth strike, like normal thunder.

There's no doubt this is a sign in the Heavens. When the gold firmament was broken, things changed in viewing the Heavens. The word for the Moon in (Akkadian) Babylonian is Su'en (SIN). The blood reference is for what is coming to earth in judgment.

The sun being darkened and the moon turning to blood is the opening of the 6th seal.

From biblegateway.com Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

I think the whole universe is going to turn inside out and what is at the center of the this hollow earth as the true morning star is going to shine. It says the stars are going to fall from the Heavens and every mountain and island will be moved from its place.

That which is here after the restrainer is removed is polarizing towards true Heaven or towards true hell as the weeds are separated from the wheat. What is left behind has the gates of hell prevail against them and are subject to the 42 month reign of the antichrist.

From biblegateway.com 2Thessalonians2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

The 42 month reign of the antichrist is the Great Tribulation. After the rapture, what is left behind will endure the Great Tribulation. The two witnesses will start their mission 3.5 days before the antichrist starts his reign. The two witnesses are killed and then resurrected 3.5 days later at the same time as the 7th trumpet which is when the kingdoms the world are changed to the Kingdom of God. That's when the antichrist, the false prophet, and the fallen world lose their power and are cast away. That which is left and most likely secure in Petra is called up into the clouds with those who were raptured out as the Church.

I also wonder at the same time if the gog magog war doesn't take place at this time. If you read this passage it's eerily similar.

Ezekiel 38

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

I think there is a core group that is lost on a spiritual level that will return to the state of the beginnings of the Heavenly rebellion. The rank and file are deceived and carried off with the antichrist by taking the mark and receiving eternal damnation. Above this on a fallen angle level, are the ones who are already eternally damned and have engineered this mass deception and through the cursed finite time of this world helped in the creation of conditions to usher in an antichrist. Take a look at what the corporate city of london do who are subservient to rothschilds and the whore of babylon in rome. [link to en.wikipedia.org] The lord mayor is elected on michaelmas, and their patrons are the demigods of gog and magog. Now look at the title GW Bush received from the talmudic jews. [link to www.texemarrs.com]
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The Michaelmas is in reference to the archangel that kicked them out of Heaven in the first place. The Gog and Magog will be the regions where satan will return from the pit after being imprisoned for 1000 years to lead a rebellion and be defeated at the end of Christ' millennial reign on Earth. We know the end is as the beginning;so, what started in Heaven is pushed back to its dirty seed in concept and then driven into the lake of fire at judgment for all eternity.

The skull and bones society are at the root of the hegelian dialectic where all sides are controlled to bring the new world order into being. The date of 22 mar is on the Georgia Guidesstones. The concept of reversal, hacking and destruction reveals their satanic core. Christ died and was resurrected on the 3rd day. He spent 40 days on Earth, ascended into Heaven and 10 days later the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples and the seed of the church on Earth was created and commemorated as Holy Pentecost. If you go from the birth of Israel on 14 May in reverse of this 53 day process, the you land on this skull and bones date of 22 Mar. If you go 40 unholy days from that you land on 01 May which is the satanic day of beltane and also the day adam weishaupt started the bavarian illuminati the same year as the birth of the US. "May first" in English gematria is 666.

Not sure if you are saying the gog magog war is after the millennial reign, however this passage in Ezekiel 39 tells us it is before the millennial reign:

After the gog magog war Gods tells us - Now I will being the whole house of Israel together. Up to this point it is a small portion of Israelis:

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

From kingjamesbibleonline.org Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You got me before I added some to the last post. This shows you who and what are behind this madness. Some are former presidents.The skull and bones society are at the root of the hegelian dialectic where all sides are controlled to bring the new world order into being. The date of 22 mar is on the Georgia Guidesstones. The concept of reversal, hacking and destruction reveals their satanic core. Christ died and was resurrected on the 3rd day. He spent 40 days on Earth, ascended into Heaven and 10 days later the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples and the seed of the church on Earth was created and commemorated as Holy Pentecost. If you go from the birth of Israel on 14 May in reverse of this 53 day process, the you land on this skull and bones date of 22 Mar. If you go 40 unholy days from that you land on 01 May which is the satanic day of beltane and also the day adam weishaupt started the bavarian illuminati the same year as the birth of the US. "May first" in English gematria is 666.

Interesting

And what is the answer to why:

Isaiah 54 - after they return from many nations - they will not suffer defeat by any of their enemies.

Since Israel's rebirth - they've attacked her numerous times and in the last 6 day war - lost a lot of land to Israel.

I sincerely don't think this was conceived and concocted by TPTB to play act all the wars Israel endured and won, and the arabs lost miserably at the hands of people they despise.

Now what do you know of the one whom restrains, whom holds back the time of Antichrist rule? If Christ be the Light of the World and leaves the world what occureth to world, whom then is the mystery of the restrainer of Thessalonians 2.

It is the Advocate, the Holy Spirit who guides you to truth per Christ' speech to the disciples before his ascension. The Holy Spirit coming down on the disciples formed the seed>seeds of the true church. The harvest is soon. From biblehub.com John 12:24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.
John 6: 41At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”

43“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”


At the rapture, it is the separating of the weeds from the wheat. The 53 day process can be seen in the ancient Jewish grain harvest season. The harvest started with barley two days before Passover and a grain offering was made. After Passover was the counting of the Omer which are 49 days (7 weeks) of sorrow. At the end is Shavuot where Moses ascended the mount for the Law. Two days later was the end of the wheat harvest. The primary objective of Christ was to end sacrifice by being the perfect offering and then fulfill the Law by walking in flesh perfectly. Again this is a 53 day process just like the time from crucifixion to the Holy Spirit coming down on the disciples 10 days after ascension.

There shall be no rapture as people expect it to occur, no for believers will be upon the earth in it darkest of times and it shall be that period which shall separate the goats and the sheep.

The cup taken is still being held until the time of it release, and that release of the cup is what bring to judgments upon the world of humanity. For cup restrains the adversary preventing his power to act, for while the Son of man holds it the serpent can not take the throne of his power.

The churches of the world are in corruption none can hold any power over the serpent for he holds power over them. He whom is the restrainer is the Son of God whom holds the cup of sin within him, and when he is taken up then the world has lost it light and so shall the universe reflect it as below so above, as above so below.

There may be no rapture for you due to lack of faith but there definitely is a rapture. The last answer should have been a big clue for you, but there is more to support this and if you really understood what you were reading then it wouldn't be a problem for you.

From biblegateway.com John 16:5 but now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6 Rather, you are filled with grief because I have said these things. 7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. HERE'S YOUR RESTRAINER...
12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Do you not know the Spirit of truth is the Spirit of Christ and of God, knoweth yet not that the Father and Son both are the Spirit of truth, the dove the Holyspirit is the Spirit shared by the Son and Father which giveth the Light to the world. I will prophecy for ye for thou believeth ye are saved but behold ye are not, for even the final is the truth and few shall see so therefore do they remain blind and so shall ye. For if thou had been as a little child and listened instead of saying ye know ye might have then been spared the woes to come, but because of thine pride have ye remained blind and missed seeing the Light. What I have spoken is the truth blessed are they in which the spirit of truth reveals it to them.

Love this discussion.

You take the stiff-necked ignorance of the Pharisees and project it into a spiritual plane. The Messiah is not you nor do you have the ability to dispense judgment and determine whether someone is saved or not. That is your problem in a nutshell. The very one who tries to shroud themselves in the false holiness of speaking in old KJV speech is the same one judging himself. The inside of his goblet is filthy.

At Caesar Philippi, Peter was given the power to bind and loose things of Heaven and earth and told the gates of hell will not prevail gates him. If you want to stay be behind, that is your choice not mine. Instead of accepting the redemptive powers of Christ you choose to give satan an unearned power. You sound like the ten spies after their report of the Promised Land. What is different now? We stand on the threshhold of the Promised Land, and you can firmly count yourself among the naysayers.

What does Peter say? From biblehub.com Acts 2:Peter Preaches to the Crowd
…20'THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME. 21'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'

You deny the rapture when it will come regardless of whether you see it through your convoluted world of diminished redemptive powers of Christ.

What does this say? From biblehub.com KJV for ye benefit. Matthew 24:22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


What cannot go through Heaven's gates? Again for ye benefit KJV 1 Corinthians 15:50I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Does ye bible mince words? Does it not call flesh flesh and spirit spirit? You want to talk about things of the spirit, but it is, in fact, you who is ignorant to the workings of the one true God.

So obviously something in a flesh rapture has occurred before all are changed in a twinkling of an eye. From biblehub.com KJV again for ye benefit Revelation 11:The Seventh Trumpet
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God, but yet flesh was saved for the elect's sake?

So when does the day of the Lord happen? At the sixth seal. The following is just like what Christ describes as the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew. From Revelation 6:The Sixth Seal: Terror
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Repeat after me with this gem... 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

What happens in the next chapter? The 144,000 are sealed and then this......
Revelation 7Praise from the Great Multitude
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

There are two key things highlighted here to tell the reader that something has happened prior to the 7th trumpet which chronolpgically has not occurred yet!!!!!
The multitude are still referred to as nations, kindreds, and tongues. After the 7th trumpet, there is only ONE nation of GOD!!!! and.. they were taken out of the Great Tribulation. Not before and not after, but out of!!!!!!

From biblehub.com 2Thessalonians 2: The Man of Sin
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

For that to happen, the 42 month reign of the antichrist has to start and then there is a rapture. If you want to stay behind, then it is probably because you have yet to receive your name in the Book of Life.