All prophecies the bible says will happen in End Times are happening or almost completed at present

As Ed Morrissey of Hotair said:

Signs, signs, every where signs

We asked the question, and we get more questions:

Who are “the elect” referred to in Matthew 24:31?

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The question here is this: “Who are the elect that he gathers with a great sound of a trumpet from the four winds of heaven? Are they the Church saints?” I’m convinced that they are not.

Let me tell you why. For one thing, if you’re going to say these are Church saints, you’re overlooking some extensive revelation that’s given to us in the Old Testament. What kind of revelation?

There are passages in the Old Testament where God calls the whole nation of Israel “His chosen,” literally “His Elect.”....

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This person makes the supposition we're getting it wrong if we say it's the nation Israel - by virtue of this statement:

The '"elect" is a reference to believers' - and we know most jews are not believers:

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In the Olivet Discourse, as in any passage of Scripture, it is important to note the referents of the pronouns. In verse one, we note that it is the disciples who approach Jesus with the question regarding the destruction of the temple and the sign that would signal His return. Beginning in verse two, we are introduced to a series of pronouns differentiating those who are, and would become, His disciples and those who are not, and would not, become disciples. We see in the second verse for example, "Truly I say to you" (the questioning disciples). In verse three we see a reference to "us" (disciples) and again in verse four, referring to the disciples, the warning of Christ, "See to it that no one misleads you."

Throughout the remainder of the discourse, Jesus frequently makes use of those pronouns. In contrast to the "you" and "us", Jesus refers to "they" (cf. verses 9, 26, 30). The "they" in the context of the discourse is a reference to those who are in opposition to Christ.

The association of "elect" and "you" (disciples) is clearly made in verses 22-24. Jesus says, "And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut short. Then - if any one says to you...so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect" (emphasis added). The association of "elect" and "you" (disciples) in these verses is clearly made and it is equally clear that the term "elect" is not referring to national Israel.

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This person makes the supposition we're getting it wrong if we say it's the nation Israel - by virtue of this statement:

The '"elect" is a reference to believers' - and we know most jews are not believers:

Small Excerpt:

In the Olivet Discourse, as in any passage of Scripture, it is important to note the referents of the pronouns. In verse one, we note that it is the disciples who approach Jesus with the question regarding the destruction of the temple and the sign that would signal His return. Beginning in verse two, we are introduced to a series of pronouns differentiating those who are, and would become, His disciples and those who are not, and would not, become disciples. We see in the second verse for example, "Truly I say to you" (the questioning disciples). In verse three we see a reference to "us" (disciples) and again in verse four, referring to the disciples, the warning of Christ, "See to it that no one misleads you."

Throughout the remainder of the discourse, Jesus frequently makes use of those pronouns. In contrast to the "you" and "us", Jesus refers to "they" (cf. verses 9, 26, 30). The "they" in the context of the discourse is a reference to those who are in opposition to Christ.

The association of "elect" and "you" (disciples) is clearly made in verses 22-24. Jesus says, "And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut short. Then - if any one says to you...so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect" (emphasis added). The association of "elect" and "you" (disciples) in these verses is clearly made and it is equally clear that the term "elect" is not referring to national Israel.

[link to www.solagroup.org]

We can say with certainty these aren't the elect:

Breitbart:

Illinois Attorney General Accuses Catholic Church of Withholding Names of 500 Priests Accused of Sex Abuse...

Falls under the category - evil abounds...

Good, it's time order hits this planet.

God is going to show them all what order out of chaos looks like.

Last Edited by Truth Reaper on 12/21/2018 10:38 AM

Yep!!

Natural disasters set records around the world in 2018. These were some of the worst.

Natural disasters devastated communities around the world in 2018, killing thousands of people and inflicting billions of dollars in damage.

In September, at least 1,900 people died in Indonesia after a magnitude 7.5 earthquake and a subsequent tsunami with waves as high as 20 feet. The following month, Hurricane Michael, the strongest storm to hit the United States in 50 years, devastated North and South Carolina and killed dozens of people. Some of the worst fires in US history hit California shortly afterward, melting cars, reducing bodies to bone, and wiping out an entire town....

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2018: A Year of Record-breaking Disasters

This year, we experienced a number of record-breaking disasters across the country ranging from deadly hurricanes to volcanic eruptions.....

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Jesus said there will be disasters in diverse places (Matt 24 & Rev 6)

The book of Enoch gives some insight as to who the elect may be in the first chapter:

Enoch 1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation

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First and foremost they will be here during the tribulation

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation...

30..then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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And it appears from Matthew 24 - the elect will be gathered "after the great tribulation" from everywhere - not just Israel.

Also, apparently they will be here for the duration

The Purpose of The Elect

Are the elect the 144k witnesses of Revelation?

Can we tell by counting their numbers?

Does the bible tell us how many there are?

We get this from Enoch chapter 2:

Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him. (2)

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Chapter 40:

1 After this I beheld thousands of thousands, and myriads of myriads, and an infinite number of people, standing before the Lord of spirits.

3 Then I heard the voices of those upon the four sides magnifying the Lord of glory.

4 The first voice blessed the Lord of spirits for ever and for ever.

5 The second voice I heard blessing the Elect One, and the elect who suffer on account of the Lord of spirits.

Are the elect and the saints the same group?

The answer we have here is - Yes:

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The Elect

The church is the elect, and so is believing Israel. We just don’t have the benefit of foreknowledge to know what Jews will accept Christ yet. This is where time has a big part in interpreting Bible prophecy. We have scriptures talking about how there is no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ. However as I mentioned earlier, Israel will be blinded as they have been since the triumphal entry almost 2,000 years ago. Romans 11:25 National Israel will not come to Christ until after the “fullness of the Gentiles.”...

The main scripture that brings confusion is Matthew 24:15-22. It says that these days of great tribulation will be shortened for the “elect’s” sake. This leads many people to focus this passage on Christians because Israel doesn’t accept Christ. However, we must remember that Christ also said that “all of Israel shall be saved.” Romans 11:25-26 Therefore, even those not taken in the harpazo of the bride are still “elect,” including all of Israel....

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You can't move along very far in the bible without generating some controversy.

Jude is no different

Once again we find ourselves steep in controversy (again) with the Book of Enoch -

I've already posted this...

i. Genesis 6:1-2 is a controversial passage all on its own. It says, Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. There is a significant debate as to if the sons of God are angelic beings, or just another way of saying “followers of God” among humans. Jude helps us answer this question.

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Actually, I think Enoch answers this question with more detail than Jude:

Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

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I've already posted this...

i. Genesis 6:1-2 is a controversial passage all on its own. It says, Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. There is a significant debate as to if the sons of God are angelic beings, or just another way of saying “followers of God” among humans. Jude helps us answer this question.

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Actually, I think Enoch answers this question with a little more detail than Jude:

Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

I think it's pretty clear from Enoch and Jude - These angelic beings are not human:

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

But here they are human:

Marcellus Kik has written that "the Greek term aggelos does not always refer to such heavenly spirits. The meaning of the term must be determined by the context. In the following passages the Greek word aggelos is translated by the word messenger: Matthew 11:10; Luke 7:24, 27; 9:52; Mark 1:2; James 2:25. John the Baptist is called an aggelos. The disciples of John the Baptist were also described as angels. And this was true in regard to the disciples of Christ. In James 2:25 the messengers sent to Rahab were called `angels.’" [J. Marcellus Kik, An Eschatology of Victory (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian & Reformed, 1971), p. 147f.]

David Chilton makes the same point, showing that in the Old Testament the word mal’ak, often translated "angel," is used for human prophets in 2 Chronicles 36:15-16; Haggai 1:13; and Malachi 3:1. The "angels of the seven churches" in Revelation are surely human leaders, since it makes no sense to write a letter to a spirit angel....

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Rev 8:8 - 1/3 of the oceans will die:

From The Big Wobble:

Thousands stung by a jellyfish invasion in Queensland Australia in yet another case of the 21st-century indicator to the demise of our oceans

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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We now get into the why they will be placed in chains until the great day of judgement

Big Sign?

Biblical Proportions: Mecca’s Grand Mosque Plagued By Swarms Of Locusts

The pilgrimage hub of Saudi Arabia got hit with a plague of biblical proportions earlier this week when a massive swarm of locusts descended upon the Islamic holy site of Mecca.

In several videos posted online, locusts were seen crawling around Mecca’s grand mosque, creeping their way across the stone slabs, providing a small snapshot of what Pharaoh saw during the Passover thousands of years ago. One particularly searing video showed a cloud of flying pests descending their way over the wall, illuminated by the towering floodlights....

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There is very much conjecture over the meaning of strange flesh

Here's one opinion:

What Does Jude 7 Mean By “Other Flesh”?

There is a case to be that Jude’s comment about sarkos heteras (“other flesh”) is a reference to sex with angels not sex with other men. Verse 6 is likely an allusion to the sin of the angels in Genesis 6:1-4, which according to Jewish tradition, involved angels having sex with the daughters of men....

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What we learn in Jude is these angelic beings were anything but angels - or whatever our concept of what angels should be.

Somehow they were corrupted

By satan or whatever

But they became what we know today as 'fallen angels'.

Any day now.

The signs are all around us

Bible Signs of the End Times

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We are living in a time like no other. The world is being turned upside down...

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More unsavory characteristics of these 'fallen angels':

Jude 1:8 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

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Their dreams are filled with vile and perverted fancies...

Jude 1:8 also tells us they despise dominion:

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They reject the authority of God and government.

In the last days we see this happen with children and their parents

Proverbs 30:11,17
There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother...

2 Peter 2:10-12
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government...