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Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear

 
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Do the math:

One of the highest risks for infection in Africa is health care workers despite protective gear but without a respirator.

Healthcare workers have experienced very high rates of morbidity and mortality in the past and current Ebola virus outbreaks. A facemask, or surgical mask, offers no or very minimal protection from infectious aerosol particles. As our examples illustrate, for a risk group 4 organism like Ebola, the minimum level of protection should be an N95 filtering facepiece respirator.
This type of respirator, however, would only be appropriate only when the likelihood of aerosol exposure is very low. For healthcare workers caring for many patients in an epidemic situation, this type of respirator may not provide an adequate level of protection."

[link to www.cidrap.umn.edu]


A Health care worker is infected by a case in Spain, despite protective gear.

“The nurse has not been named. Spanish media said she is around 40 years old and only went into Viejo's room twice — once to directly assist in his care, another time to clean his room after he died. On both occasions she was wearing special protective clothing.”

[link to www.usatoday.com]


A Health care worker is infected by the case in Dallas, despite protective gear:
“She treated Duncan, the Ebola patient, after his second visit to the emergency room, on Sept. 28, and was “following full CDC precautions,” including wearing a gown, gloves, a mask and a protective face shield.”

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

Do the math and you can only come to the same inescapable conclusion that these authors, (who are national experts on respiratory protection and infectious disease transmission) came to:


"In May they published a similar commentary on MERS-CoV. Dr Brosseau is a Professor and Dr Jones an Assistant Professor in the School of Public Health, Division of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences, at the University of Illinois at Chicago."

Today's commentary was submitted to CIDRAP by the authors, who are national experts on respiratory protection and infectious disease transmission.”


We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.1"

"The minimum level of protection in high-risk settings should be a respirator with an assigned protection factor greater than 10. A powered air-purifying respirator (PAPR) with a hood or helmet offers many advantages over an N95 filtering facepiece or similar respirator, being more protective, comfortable, and cost-effective in the long run."

"We strongly urge the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) to seek funds for the purchase and transport of PAPRs to all healthcare workers currently fighting the battle against Ebola throughout Africa—and beyond.."

"There has been a lot of on-line and published controversy about whether Ebola virus can be transmitted via aerosols. Most scientific and medical personnel, along with public health organizations, have been unequivocal in their statements that Ebola can be transmitted only by direct contact with virus-laden fluids2,3 and that the only modes of transmission we should be concerned with are those termed "droplet" and "contact."

"These statements are based on two lines of reasoning. The first is that no one located at a distance from an infected individual has contracted the disease, or the converse, every person infected has had (or must have had) "direct" contact with the body fluids of an infected person. This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.

"Medical and infection control professionals have relied for years on a paradigm for aerosol transmission of infectious diseases based on very outmoded research and an overly simplistic interpretation of the data. In the 1940s and 50s, William F. Wells and other "aerobiologists" employed now significantly out-of-date sampling methods (eg, settling plates) and very blunt analytic approaches (eg, cell culturing) to understand the movement of bacterial aerosols in healthcare and other settings. Their work, though groundbreaking at the time, provides a very incomplete picture."

"Early aerobiologists were not able to measure small particles near an infectious person and thus assumed such particles existed only far from the source. They concluded that organisms capable of aerosol transmission (termed "airborne") can only do so at around 3 feet or more from the source. Because they thought that only larger particles would be present near the source, they believed people would be exposed only via large "droplets" on their face, eyes, or nose."

"Modern research, using more sensitive instruments and analytic methods, has shown that aerosols emitted from the respiratory tract contain a wide distribution of particle sizes—including many that are small enough to be inhaled.5,6 Thus, both small and large particles will be present near an infectious person."


"It's time to abandon the old paradigm of three mutually exclusive transmission routes for a new one that considers the full range of particle sizes both near and far from a source. In addition, we need to factor in other important features of infectivity, such as the ability of a pathogen to remain viable in air at room temperature and humidity and the likelihood that systemic disease can result from deposition of infectious particles in the respiratory system or their transfer to the gastrointestinal tract."

"We recommend using "aerosol transmissible" rather than the outmoded terms "droplet" or "airborne" to describe pathogens that can transmit disease via infectious particles suspended in air."

"The potential for transmission via inhalation of aerosols, therefore, cannot be ruled out by the observed risk factors or our knowledge of the infection process. Many body fluids, such as vomit, diarrhea, blood, and saliva, are capable of creating inhalable aerosol particles in the immediate vicinity of an infected person. Cough was identified among some cases in a 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo,11 and coughs are known to emit viruses in respirable particles.17 The act of vomiting produces an aerosol and has been implicated in airborne transmission of gastrointestinal viruses.18,19 Regarding diarrhea, even when contained by toilets, toilet flushing emits a pathogen-laden aerosol that disperses in the air.20-22"

“Experimental work has shown that Marburg and Ebola viruses can be isolated from sera and tissue culture medium at room temperature for up to 46 days, but at room temperature no virus was recovered from glass, metal, or plastic surfaces.23 Aerosolized (1-3 mcm) Marburg, Ebola, and Reston viruses, at 50% to 55% relative humidity and 72°F, had biological decay rates of 3.04%, 3.06%. and 1.55% per minute, respectively. These rates indicate that 99% loss in aerosol infectivity would occur in 93, 104, and 162 minutes, respectively.23
In still air, 3-mcm particles can take up to an hour to settle. With air currents, these and smaller particles can be transported considerable distances before they are deposited on a surface."

"There is also some experimental evidence that Ebola and other filoviruses can be transmitted by the aerosol route. Jaax et al24 reported the unexpected death of two rhesus monkeys housed approximately 3 meters from monkeys infected with Ebola virus, concluding that respiratory or eye exposure to aerosols was the only possible explanation."

"Zaire Ebola viruses have also been transmitted in the absence of direct contact among pigs 25 and from pigs to non-human primates,26 which experienced lung involvement in infection. Persons with no known direct contact with Ebola virus disease patients or their bodily fluids have become infected.12”

Facemasks, however, do not offer protection against inhalation of small infectious aerosols, because they lack adequate filters and do not fit tightly against the face.1 Therefore, a higher level of protection is necessary.”


[link to www.cidrap.umn.edu]


To summarize, for the following reasons we believe that Ebola could be an opportunistic aerosol-transmissible disease requiring adequate respiratory protection:
• Patients and procedures generate aerosols, and Ebola virus remains viable in aerosols for up to 90 minutes.
• All sizes of aerosol particles are easily inhaled both near to and far from the patient.
• Crowding, limited air exchange, and close interactions with patients all contribute to the probability that healthcare workers will be exposed to high concentrations of very toxic infectious aerosols.
• Ebola targets immune response cells found in all epithelial tissues, including in the respiratory and gastrointestinal system.
Experimental data support aerosols as a mode of disease transmission in non-human primates."


"Risk level and working conditions suggest that a PAPR will be more protective, cost-effective, and comfortable than an N95 filtering facepiece respirator.”



My opinion:

Unless we are being given this protection, (PAPR (A powered air-purifying respirator) with a full facepiece (APF = 50) or a hood or helmet) we are unnecessarily placing ourselves and many others in harm’s way.

Just my opinion for what it’s worth, but on a very serious issue, and I think that it is time for health care workers (and others) to stand up and be heard on this issue. hf

It is time to stop blaming healthcare workers for getting infected, and look honesty at the whole picture and what has NOT BEEN WORKING and why it has not been working!!!

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I don't know if this was previously posted, but if it was I believe it deserves to be posted again in light of current events.
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I thought about adding this to one of the pinned threads so that more people would see it, but I didn't want to hi-jack anyone's thread, but I hope this doesn't get buried in GLP.

I am printing this article and taking it to a group of hospital administrators tomorrow morning.

[link to www.cidrap.umn.edu]
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I changed the title, I think the word "math" scares too many people.hf
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important info hon...thanks
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Thanks Psi,

I always love your threads, and your avatar!hf

I need to check your threads, but do you have any comments to make about this whole thing?
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Oh wow, thanks for the pin. hf

While this information is mainly directed at health care workers, it also applies to everyone and anyone in close contact with infected patients.

This is a very important article that puts to bed the old ideas of droplet, aerosol and aersolized. Here is the short version for those who do not wish to read the whole thing:

"Editor's Note: Today's commentary was submitted to CIDRAP by the authors, who are national experts on respiratory protection and infectious disease transmission. In May they published a similar commentary on MERS-CoV. Dr Brosseau is a Professor and Dr Jones an Assistant Professor in the School of Public Health, Division of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences, at the University of Illinois at Chicago."

"Medical and infection control professionals have relied for years on a paradigm for aerosol transmission of infectious diseases based on very outmoded research and an overly simplistic interpretation of the data. In the 1940s and 50s, William F. Wells and other "aerobiologists" employed now significantly out-of-date sampling methods (eg, settling plates) and very blunt analytic approaches (eg, cell culturing) to understand the movement of bacterial aerosols in healthcare and other settings. Their work, though groundbreaking at the time, provides a very incomplete picture."


"It's time to abandon the old paradigm of three mutually exclusive transmission routes for a new one that considers the full range of particle sizes both near and far from a source. In addition, we need to factor in other important features of infectivity, such as the ability of a pathogen to remain viable in air at room temperature and humidity and the likelihood that systemic disease can result from deposition of infectious particles in the respiratory system or their transfer to the gastrointestinal tract."

We recommend using "aerosol transmissible" rather than the outmoded terms "droplet" or "airborne" to describe pathogens that can transmit disease via infectious particles suspended in air."


"To summarize, for the following reasons we believe that Ebola could be an opportunistic aerosol-transmissible disease requiring adequate respiratory protection:

Patients and procedures generate aerosols, and Ebola virus remains viable in aerosols for up to 90 minutes.
All sizes of aerosol particles are easily inhaled both near to and far from the patient
."

"Risk level and working conditions suggest that a PAPR (powered air-purifying respirator) will be more protective, cost-effective, and comfortable than an N95 filtering facepiece respirator."


[link to www.cidrap.umn.edu]

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It is awful that they are not giving health care workers the correct equipment.

All the hcws should go on strike if they balk at giving you what you need. No one could blame anyone for that.

I knew something was screwy with the story of the nurse that caught ebola in TX. Who would be lax in taking off equipment when they know it could mean their life.

Frankly, when this gets bad enough, most of us will be left on our own because the govt. can't get their shit together on ANYTHING.

They are never prepared for a damned thing, ever, so frustrated.

If you guys have to strike because of this, I will march with you and I am not in healthcare work.
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Isn't their a nurse's union or some other national/international nurse organization that can advocate for nurses to get the right equipment? This equipment should be mandatory in every ER and Isolation area. If I were a nurse, I would be organizing to strike or quit unless this is done.
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It is awful that they are not giving health care workers the correct equipment.

All the hcws should go on strike if they balk at giving you what you need. No one could blame anyone for that.

I knew something was screwy with the story of the nurse that caught ebola in TX. Who would be lax in taking off equipment when they know it could mean their life.

Frankly, when this gets bad enough, most of us will be left on our own because the govt. can't get their shit together on ANYTHING.

They are never prepared for a damned thing, ever, so frustrated.

If you guys have to strike because of this, I will march with you and I am not in healthcare work.
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Thanks, I sincerely appreciate your comments.hf

I want health care workers to realize that they can be more properly protected, and to be vocal and proactive about this. Everyone print this article and take it to your hospital administrators and infectious disease departments, fire departments, ambulance companies, ect.

The CDC won't use anything less than a BLS4 suit when dealing with Ebola, and now they expect us to "make do". The last thing that we need right now is a HCW strike, but we do need proper protection, and to stop blaming the health care workers who become infected listing to the advice generally given without further scrutiny. hf
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The equipment that they are talking about costs around $500-2,000. How can our safety not be worth that?

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.amazon.com]

In directly treating Ebola patients, I am not sure that we should not be wearing those BSL-4 bubble suits.

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I totally agree with you,

Ebola reston ( a type which only is lethal to monkeys) was proven to be transmissible by aerosol at very low doses and actually there were cases of 6 human handlers being infected with this virus by aerosol transmission.

[ [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Reston genetically is very similar to ebola zaire.

Also, if ebola zaire is not transmissible by aerosol transmission then why is it classified as a biosafety level 4 disease? (“for work with dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol- transmitted laboratory infections”)
see slide 10,
[link to www.cdc.gov]


Take a look at what the CDC does when they have to be in contact with ebola
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It is awful that they are not giving health care workers the correct equipment.

All the hcws should go on strike if they balk at giving you what you need. No one could blame anyone for that.

I knew something was screwy with the story of the nurse that caught ebola in TX. Who would be lax in taking off equipment when they know it could mean their life.

Frankly, when this gets bad enough, most of us will be left on our own because the govt. can't get their shit together on ANYTHING.

They are never prepared for a damned thing, ever, so frustrated.

If you guys have to strike because of this, I will march with you and I am not in healthcare work.
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Thanks, I sincerely appreciate your comments.hf

I want health care workers to realize that they can be more properly protected, and to be vocal and proactive about this. Everyone print this article and take it to your hospital administrators and infectious disease departments, fire departments, ambulance companies, ect.

The CDC won't use anything less than a BLS4 suit when dealing with Ebola, and now they expect us to "make do". The last thing that we need right now is a HCW strike, but we do need proper protection, and to stop blaming the health care workers who become infected listing to the advice generally given without further scrutiny. hf
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Great Thread OP!!
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Hospitals are 'following CDC' guidelines is the problem. I serious think this thing is aerosolized and can get through the HAZMAT protection the CDC guidelines require. Healthcare workers should demand to be using a higher level of HAZMAT protection when dealing with ANY suspected infected patient. Respirators, not just face masks.
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Thank you - this is an extraordinary article and should be read by everyone potentially dealing with ebola at home or abroad.
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The equipment that they are talking about costs around $500-2,000. How can our safety not be worth that?

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.amazon.com]

In directly treating Ebola patients, I am not sure that we should not be wearing those BSL-4 bubble suits.
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Your safety is worth MUCH MORE than that.

But, if they do the right thing, it won't cost nearly as much because they don't have to buy retail and they can negotiate prices on bulk quantity purchases. If they can afford billions of bullets and the war machine, then they can damn well spring for this.

The govt. should be in talks (or whoever has to pay for this) directly with the manufacturers and they should be starting production now. But... ya know.
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It is deliberate, Hot Girl. It is like the building 7 and the sheep will all realize what the msm tells them. Ebola is only a mass sheep programming event. And...it will work.
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you have to consider how much infection (all infections)is caused by lack of protocol in health care .

when i was waiting for an operation, my drs major concern was during my hospital stay, i would contract mrsa due to non observation of protocol (the most common way that bacteria is spread)


it made me highly observant of what nurses did when i was in hospital, and i watched them break protocol on a continous basis. they had absolutely no regard for it whatsoever much of the time.

this was in one of the best private hospitals in the country, not some public er , which all undoubtedly break protocol continuously.

to stop it, hospital staffing would have to be increased massively. protocol to stop mrsa spread was 15 days off work after mrsa was detected on nurses skin.

in actuality, nurses were rarely ever tested, and hardly ever put on leave because there is no one to replace them.

one nurse, a british backpacker, moped around whining she was supposed to be on holiday
and didn't want to work, but was being called in daily due to short staffing. she would have been delighted to be fired for not observing protocol and tried every day without success.

basically, the way hospitals are staffed has led to breach of protocol as an entrenched behaviour.
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you have to consider how much infection (all infections)is caused by lack of protocol in health care .

when i was waiting for an operation, my drs major concern was during my hospital stay, i would contract mrsa due to non observation of protocol (the most common way that bacteria is spread)


it made me highly observant of what nurses did when i was in hospital, and i watched them break protocol on a continous basis. they had absolutely no regard for it whatsoever much of the time.

this was in one of the best private hospitals in the country, not some public er , which all undoubtedly break protocol continuously.

to stop it, hospital staffing would have to be increased massively. protocol to stop mrsa spread was 15 days off work after mrsa was detected on nurses skin.

in actuality, nurses were rarely ever tested, and hardly ever put on leave because there is no one to replace them.

one nurse, a british backpacker, moped around whining she was supposed to be on holiday
and didn't want to work, but was being called in daily due to short staffing. she would have been delighted to be fired for not observing protocol and tried every day without success.

basically, the way hospitals are staffed has led to breach of protocol as an entrenched behaviour.
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Of course mistakes may be made, but it doesn't change the fact that without proper respiratory protection, health care workers and many others are at unnecessary increased risk. This includes other patients, because sick health care workers can and do transmit disease.

This virus is just too lethal to make the kinds of arbitrary lapses that are currently being made.

I believe that any health care worker (including ambulance, fire department and medic personnel) who are working around anyone even possibly infected with the Ebola virus should be wearing a respirator. This is also for the safety of the general public.

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Our goal should be to not get sick. Stay away from hospitals at all costs.
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Our goal should be to not get sick. Stay away from hospitals at all costs.
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While in principle I agree with you, hospitals in our society are a necessary evil. hf

If nothing else, hospitals will become inundated by the "worried well"

I think it is good advice to stay home if you are not really sick.

I have been working on a list of herbal supplements to boost the immune system for family and friends.

I posted some of this on a previous thread. I will try to do a thread on this when I have it completed, it is a work in progress, and is requiring many hours of research.
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I've been reading where you at least need a N100 or P100 respirator. Does this mean that those would not be sufficient?
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bump



for other professionals who read the deathcare 'insurance' and understand the nature of aerosolized viruses that have almost zero survival



exit the field, treat when you must,as it worsens...


highest precautions



remember morbidity


if 100% dying...why mess around with catching it???
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Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear
Word is out...

Ebola Victims will be shot & Cremated.

All Scientific, Mathematics, Statistical, vector projections indicate this as the most prudent effective method of treating this contagion.

Any other method results in horrific loss of innocent lives, and further spread of the disease.

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Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear
I totally agree with you,

Ebola reston ( a type which only is lethal to monkeys) was proven to be transmissible by aerosol at very low doses and actually there were cases of 6 human handlers being infected with this virus by aerosol transmission.

[ [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Reston genetically is very similar to ebola zaire.

Also, if ebola zaire is not transmissible by aerosol transmission then why is it classified as a biosafety level 4 disease? (“for work with dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol- transmitted laboratory infections”)
see slide 10,
[link to www.cdc.gov]


Take a look at what the CDC does when they have to be in contact with ebola
[link to www.cdc.gov]
 Quoting: Earl of Grey


Read the steps that must be implemented in a BSL-4 lab, including insect and pest control, now think of Duncan's apartment, with possible roaches scurrying at night through his ebola mattress, and maybe rats licking at his vomitus, then right on to the next guy's apartment and walking over dishes and sinks... Think of all the possible ways we are screwed. The pressure washing of his vomit from the sidewalk. Ugggg.
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10/13/2014 12:51 AM

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Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear
I've been reading where you at least need a N100 or P100 respirator. Does this mean that those would not be sufficient?
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In general for a very tiny and a very lethal virus I want the best protection possible for all of us, but especially those who put themselves at risk by caring for patients, in close contact situations.

In my opinion, while certainly better than nothing, the N95 and N100 masks are too dependent on fit and lack of air leaks and other mechanical factors that can compromise their effectiveness.

Here are a couple of links that explain the differences in greater detail.

[link to nycosh.org]

[link to www.osha.gov (secure)]
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