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John Grisham: men who watch child porn are not all paedophiles
Well, I bet a drunken Grisham laptop love fest is pretty gross.

One more reason to hate this douche and his contrived and generally recycled bullshit novels.

If you watch kiddie porn, you are as big of a pedophile as the pedophile that made the kiddie porn.

The kiddie porn is being made to cater to sick fucks like you.

Your disgusting urges are the root cause of these videos being made and these children being abused.

Supply and demand.

If people didn't WATCH kiddie porn, it would cease to be a lucrative business.

So, yeah, John Grisham, the old white men in prison for watching kiddie porn are exactly where they deserve to be. They harmed these children just as much as they people running the cameras.

Boycott this sick fuck.

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Wtf is wrong with these types? They get fame and fortune, then plummet off the moral deep end...
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Read the article.

He's right.
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Well let's separate the issues here, if you're watching porn and you accidentally end up in the wrong site but you don't download anything it shouldn't be something worthy of prison; however if you hoard pictures of kids being abused in your computer then fuck you, you deserve what you get.
Banned as usual.

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I heard this on BBC on the way home from work.

Didn't hear the men part.

BBC made it out to be that the people watching are over judiciated ...as apposed to the makers and distributors.



Yup like you said supply and demand that's true.

just watch the spin on this Grisham thing tho

It's all disgusting can't even think of why this shit exists

SMH
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Read the article.

He's right.
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Read the article.

He's right.
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what article?
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I heard this on BBC on the way home from work.

Didn't hear the men part.

BBC made it out to be that the people watching are over judiciated ...as apposed to the makers and distributors.



Yup like you said supply and demand that's true.

just watch the spin on this Grisham thing tho

It's all disgusting can't even think of why this shit exists

SMH
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The worst are the fuckers who do the snuff stuff. Just thinking about it makes me ill, that's just nightmarish shit. Humankind is a very perverted species.
Banned as usual.

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Read the article.

He's right.
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putin
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Title of the article is misleading. He is talking about how the Justice system is out of hand and uses a specific case involving a college friend looking at a website of 16 year olds.

A quote from him specifically says,"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles... God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting,"
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I heard this on BBC on the way home from work.

Didn't hear the men part.

BBC made it out to be that the people watching are over judiciated ...as apposed to the makers and distributors.



Yup like you said supply and demand that's true.

just watch the spin on this Grisham thing tho

It's all disgusting can't even think of why this shit exists

SMH
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The worst are the fuckers who do the snuff stuff. Just thinking about it makes me ill, that's just nightmarish shit. Humankind is a very perverted species.
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What is sniff stuff?

Please!!! you fuckers are ruining the last shreds of my innocence

Never mind I don't want to know clickin out of here.
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I heard this on BBC on the way home from work.

Didn't hear the men part.

BBC made it out to be that the people watching are over judiciated ...as apposed to the makers and distributors.



Yup like you said supply and demand that's true.

just watch the spin on this Grisham thing tho

It's all disgusting can't even think of why this shit exists

SMH
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64083882


The worst are the fuckers who do the snuff stuff. Just thinking about it makes me ill, that's just nightmarish shit. Humankind is a very perverted species.
 Quoting: Manu-K


What is sniff stuff?

Please!!! you fuckers are ruining the last shreds of my innocence

Never mind I don't want to know clickin out of here.
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Yeah you really don't want to know. There's some really sick shit going on in this world, particularly in the highest spheres of society.
Banned as usual.

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Read the article.

He's right.
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putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13744631


Title of the article is misleading. He is talking about how the Justice system is out of hand and uses a specific case involving a college friend looking at a website of 16 year olds.

A quote from him specifically says,"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles... God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting,"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


Now wait a minute. Media is the Ministry of Propaganda & Indoctrination. Within its creations, it places what it is that they want you to take away from it. Just before your quote is the clincher of the whole article, the thing that they want you to adopt as your belief.

Asked about the argument that viewing child pornography fuelled the industry of abuse needed to create the pictures, Mr Grisham said that current sentencing policies failed to draw a distinction between real-world abusers and those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

Do you notice that he does not answer the question?
Do you notice the pattern of writing which equates two things to each other?

Realworld abusers = create the pictures

"Non-abusers" = viewers of child porn, those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise

This is known programming speech. Under the pre-text of a viewer of 16 year olds, he has just stated his belief to you. Whilst you come away with thinking that it's only discussing viewers of 16 year olds this article is actually teaching the audience that those who view and download child porn are not child abusers.
When the reality is, if EVERY LAST PERSON REFUSED TO WATCH IT, not ONE CHILD WOULD BE SEXUAL PREY TO THE CREATERS Of CHILD PORN.

Zero watchers = no children sexually abused for the making of child porn
Children sexually abused on film IS TO SATISFY THE PERVERTED SEXUAL DESIRES OF PEOPLE

And that is why he does not answer the question but instead gives you his belief;
That the child abuser is the creator of these films and the watcher is not a child abuser.
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Grisham: ""I have no sympathy for real pedophiles,” he said, "God, please lock those people up."

Who does this article state are the "real pedophiles"?
- NOT the viewers of child porn
- NOT those who target 16 years old
- NOT those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

To divorce the reason for child porn's EXISTENCE - to satisfy the sexual lust and appetite of grown adults for child sex - is to divorce all accountability for the child's rape and torture. To do so is tantamount to saying that the one hiring the hit man has no accountability for the murder which is committed by the hit man. Children are sexually abused on film because grown men and women DEMAND FILM OF CHILDREN BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED TO SATISFY THEIR OWN SEXUAL LUST

Please guys, think clearly and soberly. Understand that the 'daughters of men' seen as beautiful by the sons of God were the doctrines of men and teachings of the elders in the days of Jesus Christ. And so, since there is nothing new...since what was will be again...understand what and why men like this through their PULPIT CALLED MASS MEDIA ARE TEACHING:

"real pedophiles are not child porn viewers and not those who download it...."

Once you believe THAT, you have denied any responsibility and accountability for the rape and sexual torment of children, raped and abused on film to satisfy YOUR OWN SEXUAL LUST.

And that is how the teachings of the elders and the doctrines of men make its converts TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL.

What was - IS AGAIN.
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Read the article.

He's right.
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putin
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Title of the article is misleading. He is talking about how the Justice system is out of hand and uses a specific case involving a college friend looking at a website of 16 year olds.

A quote from him specifically says,"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles... God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting,"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


He tries to be ambiguous, but he is implying very plainly that he thinks WATCHING child porn is somehow different than being a pedophile, something lessor, something that's okay.

It's bullshit.

The people who WATCH the porn are the biggest problem - they demand it. IF no one wanted to watch it, the industry would cease to exist.

Those are real children being debased and exploited for the sexual gratification of old men. Just because the people watching the video aren't active participants in the abuse, the abuse is taking place to satiate their lust for children.
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Read the article.

He's right.
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putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13744631


Title of the article is misleading. He is talking about how the Justice system is out of hand and uses a specific case involving a college friend looking at a website of 16 year olds.

A quote from him specifically says,"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles... God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting,"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


Now wait a minute. Media is the Ministry of Propaganda & Indoctrination. Within its creations, it places what it is that they want you to take away from it. Just before your quote is the clincher of the whole article, the thing that they want you to adopt as your belief.

Asked about the argument that viewing child pornography fuelled the industry of abuse needed to create the pictures, Mr Grisham said that current sentencing policies failed to draw a distinction between real-world abusers and those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

Do you notice that he does not answer the question?
Do you notice the pattern of writing which equates two things to each other?

Realworld abusers = create the pictures

"Non-abusers" = viewers of child porn, those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise

This is known programming speech. Under the pre-text of a viewer of 16 year olds, he has just stated his belief to you. Whilst you come away with thinking that it's only discussing viewers of 16 year olds this article is actually teaching the audience that those who view and download child porn are not child abusers.
When the reality is, if EVERY LAST PERSON REFUSED TO WATCH IT, not ONE CHILD WOULD BE SEXUAL PREY TO THE CREATERS Of CHILD PORN.

Zero watchers = no children sexually abused for the making of child porn
Children sexually abused on film IS TO SATISFY THE PERVERTED SEXUAL DESIRES OF PEOPLE

And that is why he does not answer the question but instead gives you his belief;
That the child abuser is the creator of these films and the watcher is not a child abuser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27565386


I don't know about all that. I agree with you that child porn is completely gross and wrong, but not what you're getting at with the subtext of this interview.

Maybe my comment was over simplified. My intention was only to point out that the article title was misleading. Does he actually say, "those who view and download child porn are not child abusers?" If he did, I missed it, and can't be bothered to reread the article to find it.

Whether the watcher is a child abuser or not is a case by case thing and more complicated than I wish to debate. Some of them probably need help, not prison. Others need to be neutered.
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Grisham: ""I have no sympathy for real pedophiles,” he said, "God, please lock those people up."

Who does this article state are the "real pedophiles"?
- NOT the viewers of child porn
- NOT those who target 16 years old
- NOT those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

To divorce the reason for child porn's EXISTENCE - to satisfy the sexual lust and appetite of grown adults for child sex - is to divorce all accountability for the child's rape and torture. To do so is tantamount to saying that the one hiring the hit man has no accountability for the murder which is committed by the hit man. Children are sexually abused on film because grown men and women DEMAND FILM OF CHILDREN BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED TO SATISFY THEIR OWN SEXUAL LUST

Please guys, think clearly and soberly. Understand that the 'daughters of men' seen as beautiful by the sons of God were the doctrines of men and teachings of the elders in the days of Jesus Christ. And so, since there is nothing new...since what was will be again...understand what and why men like this through their PULPIT CALLED MASS MEDIA ARE TEACHING:

"real pedophiles are not child porn viewers and not those who download it...."

Once you believe THAT, you have denied any responsibility and accountability for the rape and sexual torment of children, raped and abused on film to satisfy YOUR OWN SEXUAL LUST.

And that is how the teachings of the elders and the doctrines of men make its converts TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL.

What was - IS AGAIN.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27565386


This.

I wish I'd read further down the thread before I posted my last post, because you pretty much nailed the gist.

What constitutes a 'real' pedophile?

Is it simply one with a sexual attraction to children, or must one act upon those attractions?

What is 'acting upon those attractions?' Actually abusing a child? Or does WATCHING the abuse qualify?

I mean, in my mind there are no shades of grey here.

If you want to have sex with a child, watch sex acts be perpetuated upon children, record sex acts that include children, fantasize about sex with children, etc. you are a pedophile and should be dealt with accordingly.

A 'real' pedophile isn't simply the pervert who gets caught.
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Title of the article is misleading. He is talking about how the Justice system is out of hand and uses a specific case involving a college friend looking at a website of 16 year olds.

A quote from him specifically says,"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles... God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting,"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


Now wait a minute. Media is the Ministry of Propaganda & Indoctrination. Within its creations, it places what it is that they want you to take away from it. Just before your quote is the clincher of the whole article, the thing that they want you to adopt as your belief.

Asked about the argument that viewing child pornography fuelled the industry of abuse needed to create the pictures, Mr Grisham said that current sentencing policies failed to draw a distinction between real-world abusers and those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

Do you notice that he does not answer the question?
Do you notice the pattern of writing which equates two things to each other?

Realworld abusers = create the pictures

"Non-abusers" = viewers of child porn, those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise

This is known programming speech. Under the pre-text of a viewer of 16 year olds, he has just stated his belief to you. Whilst you come away with thinking that it's only discussing viewers of 16 year olds this article is actually teaching the audience that those who view and download child porn are not child abusers.
When the reality is, if EVERY LAST PERSON REFUSED TO WATCH IT, not ONE CHILD WOULD BE SEXUAL PREY TO THE CREATERS Of CHILD PORN.

Zero watchers = no children sexually abused for the making of child porn
Children sexually abused on film IS TO SATISFY THE PERVERTED SEXUAL DESIRES OF PEOPLE

And that is why he does not answer the question but instead gives you his belief;
That the child abuser is the creator of these films and the watcher is not a child abuser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27565386


I don't know about all that. I agree with you that child porn is completely gross and wrong, but not what you're getting at with the subtext of this interview.

Maybe my comment was over simplified. My intention was only to point out that the article title was misleading. Does he actually say, "those who view and download child porn are not child abusers?" If he did, I missed it, and can't be bothered to reread the article to find it.

Whether the watcher is a child abuser or not is a case by case thing and more complicated than I wish to debate. Some of them probably need help, not prison. Others need to be neutered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


There is no 'helping' a pedophile.

Have you ever heard of an 'ex-pedophile'?

Nope

The only good pedo is a dead pedo.

The damage they do can't be undone and it is of the worst kind.

Not only that, but we have created a society that makes exceptions and excuses for this behavior.

Fucking sick, man.
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Grisham: ""I have no sympathy for real pedophiles,” he said, "God, please lock those people up."

Who does this article state are the "real pedophiles"?
- NOT the viewers of child porn
- NOT those who target 16 years old
- NOT those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

To divorce the reason for child porn's EXISTENCE - to satisfy the sexual lust and appetite of grown adults for child sex - is to divorce all accountability for the child's rape and torture. To do so is tantamount to saying that the one hiring the hit man has no accountability for the murder which is committed by the hit man. Children are sexually abused on film because grown men and women DEMAND FILM OF CHILDREN BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED TO SATISFY THEIR OWN SEXUAL LUST

Please guys, think clearly and soberly. Understand that the 'daughters of men' seen as beautiful by the sons of God were the doctrines of men and teachings of the elders in the days of Jesus Christ. And so, since there is nothing new...since what was will be again...understand what and why men like this through their PULPIT CALLED MASS MEDIA ARE TEACHING:

"real pedophiles are not child porn viewers and not those who download it...."

Once you believe THAT, you have denied any responsibility and accountability for the rape and sexual torment of children, raped and abused on film to satisfy YOUR OWN SEXUAL LUST.

And that is how the teachings of the elders and the doctrines of men make its converts TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL.

What was - IS AGAIN.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27565386


This.

I wish I'd read further down the thread before I posted my last post, because you pretty much nailed the gist.

What constitutes a 'real' pedophile?

Is it simply one with a sexual attraction to children, or must one act upon those attractions?

What is 'acting upon those attractions?' Actually abusing a child? Or does WATCHING the abuse qualify?

I mean, in my mind there are no shades of grey here.

If you want to have sex with a child, watch sex acts be perpetuated upon children, record sex acts that include children, fantasize about sex with children, etc. you are a pedophile and should be dealt with accordingly.

A 'real' pedophile isn't simply the pervert who gets caught.
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Good thread em' ...having trouble sleeping..still shock about Stephen Collins .. I loved that show..totally can't watch the show now :/
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Well, I bet a drunken Grisham laptop love fest is pretty gross.

One more reason to hate this douche and his contrived and generally recycled bullshit novels.

If you watch kiddie porn, you are as big of a pedophile as the pedophile that made the kiddie porn.

The kiddie porn is being made to cater to sick fucks like you.

Your disgusting urges are the root cause of these videos being made and these children being abused.

Supply and demand.

If people didn't WATCH kiddie porn, it would cease to be a lucrative business.

So, yeah, John Grisham, the old white men in prison for watching kiddie porn are exactly where they deserve to be. They harmed these children just as much as they people running the cameras.

Boycott this sick fuck.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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Castrate the son of a batch!
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Title of the article is misleading. He is talking about how the Justice system is out of hand and uses a specific case involving a college friend looking at a website of 16 year olds.

A quote from him specifically says,"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles... God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting,"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


Now wait a minute. Media is the Ministry of Propaganda & Indoctrination. Within its creations, it places what it is that they want you to take away from it. Just before your quote is the clincher of the whole article, the thing that they want you to adopt as your belief.

Asked about the argument that viewing child pornography fuelled the industry of abuse needed to create the pictures, Mr Grisham said that current sentencing policies failed to draw a distinction between real-world abusers and those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

Do you notice that he does not answer the question?
Do you notice the pattern of writing which equates two things to each other?

Realworld abusers = create the pictures

"Non-abusers" = viewers of child porn, those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise

This is known programming speech. Under the pre-text of a viewer of 16 year olds, he has just stated his belief to you. Whilst you come away with thinking that it's only discussing viewers of 16 year olds this article is actually teaching the audience that those who view and download child porn are not child abusers.
When the reality is, if EVERY LAST PERSON REFUSED TO WATCH IT, not ONE CHILD WOULD BE SEXUAL PREY TO THE CREATERS Of CHILD PORN.

Zero watchers = no children sexually abused for the making of child porn
Children sexually abused on film IS TO SATISFY THE PERVERTED SEXUAL DESIRES OF PEOPLE

And that is why he does not answer the question but instead gives you his belief;
That the child abuser is the creator of these films and the watcher is not a child abuser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27565386


I don't know about all that. I agree with you that child porn is completely gross and wrong, but not what you're getting at with the subtext of this interview.

Maybe my comment was over simplified. My intention was only to point out that the article title was misleading. Does he actually say, "those who view and download child porn are not child abusers?" If he did, I missed it, and can't be bothered to reread the article to find it.

Whether the watcher is a child abuser or not is a case by case thing and more complicated than I wish to debate. Some of them probably need help, not prison. Others need to be neutered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60099187


There is no 'helping' a pedophile.

Have you ever heard of an 'ex-pedophile'?

Nope

The only good pedo is a dead pedo.

The damage they do can't be undone and it is of the worst kind.

Not only that, but we have created a society that makes exceptions and excuses for this behavior.

Fucking sick, man.
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Now you're just letting your passions cloud what I said.

I never gave specifics of any cases and you have no idea what I would consider, someone needing help or who is a pedophile.

But, like you've done with the article, and my limited post. I'm sure it would be misconstrued.
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Grisham: ""I have no sympathy for real pedophiles,” he said, "God, please lock those people up."

Who does this article state are the "real pedophiles"?
- NOT the viewers of child porn
- NOT those who target 16 years old
- NOT those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

To divorce the reason for child porn's EXISTENCE - to satisfy the sexual lust and appetite of grown adults for child sex - is to divorce all accountability for the child's rape and torture. To do so is tantamount to saying that the one hiring the hit man has no accountability for the murder which is committed by the hit man. Children are sexually abused on film because grown men and women DEMAND FILM OF CHILDREN BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED TO SATISFY THEIR OWN SEXUAL LUST

Please guys, think clearly and soberly. Understand that the 'daughters of men' seen as beautiful by the sons of God were the doctrines of men and teachings of the elders in the days of Jesus Christ. And so, since there is nothing new...since what was will be again...understand what and why men like this through their PULPIT CALLED MASS MEDIA ARE TEACHING:

"real pedophiles are not child porn viewers and not those who download it...."

Once you believe THAT, you have denied any responsibility and accountability for the rape and sexual torment of children, raped and abused on film to satisfy YOUR OWN SEXUAL LUST.

And that is how the teachings of the elders and the doctrines of men make its converts TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL.

What was - IS AGAIN.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27565386


This.

I wish I'd read further down the thread before I posted my last post, because you pretty much nailed the gist.

What constitutes a 'real' pedophile?

Is it simply one with a sexual attraction to children, or must one act upon those attractions?

What is 'acting upon those attractions?' Actually abusing a child? Or does WATCHING the abuse qualify?

I mean, in my mind there are no shades of grey here.

If you want to have sex with a child, watch sex acts be perpetuated upon children, record sex acts that include children, fantasize about sex with children, etc. you are a pedophile and should be dealt with accordingly.

A 'real' pedophile isn't simply the pervert who gets caught.
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Good thread em' ...having trouble sleeping..still shock about Stephen Collins .. I loved that show..totally can't watch the show now :/
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Yeah, you can't judge a book by its cover.

The most 'successful' pedophiles are the ones you'd least suspect, and it's really damaging to society and so many good men that would never abuse a child - not to save their own lives.

I'm a woman and was raised almost exclusively by my grandpa. He was my parent. I never felt it strange to sit on his lap. I remember once when I was 17 something terrible had happened and I went to his house and he was in bed reading (he did a lot of that by that time - he passed away literally mere months after this incident) and crawled in bed next to him and cried myself to sleep.

It is the perversion of a certain segment of society that makes normal relationships between men and children something that have to be scrutinized and questioned.

The life-time pedophile is just as sociopathic as your average serial killer. Most are really smart, emotionally manipulative and trusted and well-liked by most people.

They have to be to do what they do.

They have to be the person that no one would suspect.

They have to be secure enough in their social position to look at their victims and say 'who would believe you over ME?'

It's sad that every dude is looked at like a potential pedophile because we live in a society that doesn't do what it should and fucking weed the real ones out ASAP.
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Now wait a minute. Media is the Ministry of Propaganda & Indoctrination. Within its creations, it places what it is that they want you to take away from it. Just before your quote is the clincher of the whole article, the thing that they want you to adopt as your belief.

Asked about the argument that viewing child pornography fuelled the industry of abuse needed to create the pictures, Mr Grisham said that current sentencing policies failed to draw a distinction between real-world abusers and those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise.

Do you notice that he does not answer the question?
Do you notice the pattern of writing which equates two things to each other?

Realworld abusers = create the pictures

"Non-abusers" = viewers of child porn, those who downloaded content, accidentally or otherwise

This is known programming speech. Under the pre-text of a viewer of 16 year olds, he has just stated his belief to you. Whilst you come away with thinking that it's only discussing viewers of 16 year olds this article is actually teaching the audience that those who view and download child porn are not child abusers.
When the reality is, if EVERY LAST PERSON REFUSED TO WATCH IT, not ONE CHILD WOULD BE SEXUAL PREY TO THE CREATERS Of CHILD PORN.

Zero watchers = no children sexually abused for the making of child porn
Children sexually abused on film IS TO SATISFY THE PERVERTED SEXUAL DESIRES OF PEOPLE

And that is why he does not answer the question but instead gives you his belief;
That the child abuser is the creator of these films and the watcher is not a child abuser.
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I don't know about all that. I agree with you that child porn is completely gross and wrong, but not what you're getting at with the subtext of this interview.

Maybe my comment was over simplified. My intention was only to point out that the article title was misleading. Does he actually say, "those who view and download child porn are not child abusers?" If he did, I missed it, and can't be bothered to reread the article to find it.

Whether the watcher is a child abuser or not is a case by case thing and more complicated than I wish to debate. Some of them probably need help, not prison. Others need to be neutered.
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There is no 'helping' a pedophile.

Have you ever heard of an 'ex-pedophile'?

Nope

The only good pedo is a dead pedo.

The damage they do can't be undone and it is of the worst kind.

Not only that, but we have created a society that makes exceptions and excuses for this behavior.

Fucking sick, man.
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Now you're just letting your passions cloud what I said.

I never gave specifics of any cases and you have no idea what I would consider, someone needing help or who is a pedophile.

But, like you've done with the article, and my limited post. I'm sure it would be misconstrued.
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There is no need for specifics.

Grown adult with sexual desire for child = pedophile

Pedophile = cannot be fixed

There is no help for a pedophile, it is that simple.

No degrees of pedophilia. No successful anti-pedophile treatment.

It doesn't matter if the dude in question is 21 and looking at little girls or 61.

It doesn't matter if he's jacking off to kiddie porn, making kiddie porn or physically abusing children.

It's all the same and the only way to treat these people effectively is with a bullet to the brain.
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Essentially what hes saying is if you have money its not child porn. Thats only for the poor.
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John Grisham sounds like a man hiding some demons.
Betcha he's balls deep in it, pun intended
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People tend to have morbid and even inappropriate curiosity sometimes. How many of you naysayers have watched newsmen getting beheaded over in Syria (or some other YouTube or news murder video)? Should you be locked up because you watched a murder? Murder is just as bad as child sexual trafficking. Get the stuff off the Internet, for sure. Lock up anyone who hurts a child with a sexual act. But locking up drunk guys who chanced upon a sight?
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People tend to have morbid and even inappropriate curiosity sometimes. How many of you naysayers have watched newsmen getting beheaded over in Syria (or some other YouTube or news murder video)? Should you be locked up because you watched a murder? Murder is just as bad as child sexual trafficking. Get the stuff off the Internet, for sure. Lock up anyone who hurts a child with a sexual act. But locking up drunk guys who chanced upon a sight?
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Watching a gunman getting beheaded is not illegal.

Hell, I watched Saddam get hung.

Watching kiddie porn?

Little bit different.

If you fail to understand the difference, you're part of the problem.

I doubt they're imprisoning dude with 3 seconds of inadvertent porn being viewed.

Dudes with a hard drive full of kiddie porn?

Hard to brush that off as drunkenly chancing upon a site.
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If you read the actual article he is talking about the difference between someone watching a 16 year old girl who looks 30 in a moment of stupidity, versus a sick fuck who watches little kids.

Not long ago in human history, 14 and 15 year old girls were legally wed.

If no distinction can be made between a sick pedophile who is turned on by a little kid, and a normal man who sees a 16 year old with big boobs or something....well, 99% of men in the world need to be arrested right now.

Not saying anything porn related is right, it's sick. But sheesh, dont make Grisham look like he supports kid porn.





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