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Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?

 
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Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
What's this officer saying at 3:04?

There was early disinfo on this (imo), with "lip readers" offering impassioned, bizarrely-incorrect transcriptions. Here's what I have for a transcription--it would be good if a lot more people added their attempts. This is going to be a very sensitive subject any way you look at it, so I hope we can keep the discussion worthwhile; this could be an incredibly big piece of the puzzle. This officer looks angry to me, and I don't think we can say the only option is that he's angry at a perp.

It seems to me he's describing something he personally saw happen. He's gesturing about something, that's for sure.

"F**king awful, man/F**k off, man. [Other officer says something]. YES! TWICE! I don't know. He took that/his [piece?] [from him] and he actually shot him in/on the head, man!"

I realize "shot him on the head" is a bit weird, but look what he's doing with his right hand when he says it. Others besides myself have read it that way.

I do still agree it could be "shot them all in the head," but the gestures make me lean in the other direction. I don't know if I buy that a police officer is going to subconsciously mimic the action of killing kids. Not unless he actually saw that happen, which is a possibility. But I bet he'd subconsciously mimic someone shooting a perp who's lying on the ground in cuffs. Or, maybe a gunman really did commit suicide, and officers were so angry that they shot him again. Unorthodox but I wouldn't blame them one bit. At any rate, his gesture during "took that piece" or "took his ____" is incredibly important, imo, because that's the object this officer is describing being used for the next action, "actually shot him/them in the head."

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I can't bump the other thread, and it was filled with bizarre shilling a nyway (notice how the "I'm positive he said ____!!!" are preposterously off), but here it is again just in case:

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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
People also tried to say he was a Newtown officer, but I think he's state:

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Somewhere there's a higher-res of this: [link to scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net (secure)]
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
He's also in this HD footage: [link to vimeo.com]
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
This man is very interesting--he seems visibly angry in just about every photo taken of him that day. I can't believe we haven't gotten his name yet. Just came across all this in an old thread of Fred's and realized how much sense it made now that it seems a real possibility that one of the shooters was cuffed before he died (considering he was in the fetal position).
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
he saying Sandy Hook: time to let it go and move on..
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You've gotta be kidding!

We the lied-to public are only now at the point of having swung the balance in our favor.

The truth will out, and it will out faster, and faster, as the days pass.

This is no JFK deal. Sandy Hook is convoluted, but not that convoluted. And we the public are NOT the naive creatures we were in 1963.
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Totally of topic .. I didn't post because I didn't go back to take a pic, because the amount of police ...

Sandy Hook is still standing .. I could have sworn through msm and here it was taken down
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He's the only officer that shows any real emotion the entire day. You can see it in his eye, he's pissed! I agree he's state, the 2 guys he's talking to are DEEP officers (the ones who caught the 2 journalists in the woods I guess)
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He's the only officer that shows any real emotion the entire day. You can see it in his eye, he's pissed! I agree he's state, the 2 guys he's talking to are DEEP officers (the ones who caught the 2 journalists in the woods I guess)
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Thanks FBK--appreciate this. Fred didn't ID him either, though I'm sure he would have in short order :)

Looked through a bunch of the state awards ceremony photos yesterday but haven't found him yet (or not that I can tell). According to a journalist, half the guys didn't show up for that anyway, so--I guess this guy might be a likely candidate for not being one with the back-patting type stuff.

My feeling is that he's telling guys he knows about someone he's angry at.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
It seems to me that the gesture he's making is describing something long.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
The previous Thread had this comment:

QUOTE

I've read body language before.

THIS guy is not buying into 'the explanation'. You can see it in his body language. Distraught? Yes. But he's not buying what someone is trying to sell him.

Notice how he wanted to walk away from the group.

Notice all the others in the group are stoic and not showing emotion at all.

We need to find out who this guy is. Someone needs to interview him.

UNQUOTE

Now, since some people have been researching this for almost 2 years, how about listening to a professional - if you really care?

VIDEO BELOW.

NOTE:

THE AUDIENCE IN THIS LECTURE WERE MADE UP OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, AS WELL AS MILITARY.

BY A SHOW OF HANDS BEFORE IT STARTED, THEY ALL BELIEVED 'THE OFFICIAL STORY'.

Afterwards.... their minds changed.


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I totally agree, btw, that there's a significant difference between his demeanor and those he's talking to--clearly they didn't see what he's describing.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
In one of the pics he has "narcotics" on the back of his jacket if that helps (the guy talking in the vid)
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In one of the pics he has "narcotics" on the back of his jacket if that helps (the guy talking in the vid)
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Thanks rgrace, appreciate it!

I do think it's significant--the narc guys seemed to stick together that day (along with this guy) and maybe his name will be noted in their interviews.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
Hmmm...Benecchi? Didn't he have a dog?
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
Sigh.

So many Italians, so little time.

I say that in all fondness.
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Ok--I'm just going to guess that since he was obviously there very early, he's in the "First Responders" section of the state awards ceremony list. I also think he may be TFC (Trooper First Class) since he didn't have sergeant stripes, and not an officer (I don't think).

FWIW, Benecchi does seem to be a K-9 officer.

So:

First Responders (State Police and Local Police)

Lt. Michael Hofbauer
Lt. Michael Perry
M/Sgt. Michael Davis
Sgt. William Cario
Sgt. Joseph Salmeri
Sgt. Michael O'Donnell
Sgt. Adam Wagnblas
Sgt. Joseph Roden
TFC Christopher Kick
TFC John McGeever
TFC Edward Benecchi
TFC Dennis Keane
TFC William Blumenthal
TFC Anthony Cipriano
TFC Josef Duva
TFC Carlo Guerra
TFC Ken Cournoyer

Det. Christopher Zullo
Det. Patrick Dragon
Tpr. Laurence Greg
Tpr. Andrew Katrenya
Oxford Officer Luke Ramirez
Sgt. Thomas Bennett
Det. Brian Marino
Det. Janice Warkoski
TFC Matthew Bell
New Milford Police Det. Scott Flockhart
Newtown Police Officer Thomas Bean
Wolcott Police Officer Leonard Greene
Brookfield Police Officer Jared Turner

[link to news.hamlethub.com]
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
We have a winner:

Ed Benecchi.

[link to rep-am.photoshelter.com]
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
You've gotta be kidding!

We the lied-to public are only now at the point of having swung the balance in our favor.

The truth will out, and it will out faster, and faster, as the days pass.

This is no JFK deal. Sandy Hook is convoluted, but not that convoluted. And we the public are NOT the naive creatures we were in 1963.
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right. and all you're missing are the sandy hook grassy knoll theories.
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The irony in your statement is that the grassy knoll component is now accepted as plausible.

It is, in fact, the official (latest) position of the US government that President Kennedy was assassinated as the result of a conspiracy (i.e. more than one guy planned it).

It took 15 years to convene the House Select Committee on Assassinations; I doubt Sandy Hook will take that long.
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I never understood how people became so easily deluded into thinking "conspiracies" are rare.

A conspiracy just means more than one guy did something. That's it. No magic, no aliens, no Illuminati. Just two guys planning a bad thing.
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I wish Tfc Benecchi all the best and hope someday he might come forward with what he knows. It's going to take people doing things like that to really start setting the record straight in earnest.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
Interesting--Benecchi's the guy that made the odd statement that the shooter had a "small amount of blood" coming from his head. Contrast this with other officer's statements referring to "massive head trauma."

Benecchi:

"I found that he had sustained a gunshot wound to his head as there was a small amount of blood coming from this wound." (00019903)

Could it be any more obvious what's going on here?
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Interesting--Benecchi's the guy that made the odd statement that the shooter had a "small amount of blood" coming from his head. Contrast this with other officer's statements referring to "massive head trauma."

Benecchi:

"I found that he had sustained a gunshot wound to his head as there was a small amount of blood coming from this wound." (00019903)

Could it be any more obvious what's going on here?
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Notice that by the time Vanghele sees the shooter, "It appeared that he had his hands cuffed behind his back. I noticed a large pool of blood spreading from the right side of the suspect's head. I asked who had shot him...) (00002060)

Chapman: "He was unconscious and unresponsive and had obviously suffered massive head t~auma. There was blood pooling heavily in the area of his head." (00258158).

Interestingly, Chapman's "first" interview, 00258158, is a much higher document number than his "later" interviews (of which he had several, being grilled about his movements that day).
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
@swansong found and posted the Vance clip saying the shooter was found in the hall OUTSIDE a classroom.

0:38 here:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I really think Benecchi saw what happened when the shooter (or person presumed to be the shooter) was brought into Room 10. I don't think it could get any clearer what went on.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
@swansong found and posted the Vance clip saying the shooter was found in the hall OUTSIDE a classroom.

0:38 here:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I really think Benecchi saw what happened when the shooter (or person presumed to be the shooter) was brought into Room 10. I don't think it could get any clearer what went on.
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You are right. It cannot get any clearer.
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Bump
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Meh a cop shot a perp.

Big deal.
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Re: Sandy Hook: What is this officer saying?
The beginning almost looks like "f*ck off" or "awful, man" or something.

Then I think it's actually "once, twice" not ten, twenty. If you watch it you can see the "c" sound for once and twice.





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