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If you're going to get Ebola, NOW is the best time!!
Call me crazy but it seems pretty clear that Ebola is curable.
Most people who get Ebola usually die from dehydration. As long as the patient's fluids are monitored and they are kept hydrated their chances for survival skyrocket.

What it comes down to is everyone that gets Ebola eventually create antibodies that can defeat the virus. Unfortunately it's usually too late and the people succumb from dehydration before the antibodies can do their job.

Getting Dr. Brantley's plasma basically gives the patient a superdose of antibodies that can beat down on the Ebola. Being in first world health conditions allows the doctors and nurses to monitor the patient and keep him/her hydrated and healthy enough to allow the antibodies to kill the Ebola.

Now for my point... If I get Ebola, I hope it's sooner rather than later. I imagine my chance of survival would be much greater than it will be 3 months from now.

We're getting so many survivors NOW because our hospitals aren't overrun.
With zero flight restrictions how long will it be before our "first world" hospitals can't keep up with the influx of patients? How long until instead of 10 nurses to each Ebola patients it becomes 1 nurse for each 10 Ebola patients??
How long until there's a shortage on Saline and other fluids to keep the patients hydrated? If I recall correctly last year there was a major shortage of saline.

Obviously I'd much rather not get Ebola at all but it kinda makes you think.

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How do you get a survivor if it's not curable?
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How do you get a survivor if it's not curable?
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Bingo.
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I think your body must learn to produce the antibodies. I'm no doctor, but keeping hydrated will be key once you and I get it.
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I think your body must learn to produce the antibodies. I'm no doctor, but keeping hydrated will be key once you and I get it.
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And that's where the plasma and the serum GM spoke about comes in.
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Oh I done said that unless you are one of the first people to get it, you won't get any medical care.
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I am wondering why some people's organs liquify and othets don't. That is not a result of dehydration but of the cytokine storm the virus triggers in the body. Even with no survivors blood or treatment so people in Africa don't have the cytokine storm triggered. What gives?

The cytokine storm effect is what made the Spanish flu so deadly.
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you'll be a lab rat, good choice.
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Interesting

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What it comes down to is everyone that gets Ebola eventually create antibodies that can defeat the virus. Unfortunately it's usually too late and the people succumb from dehydration before the antibodies can do their job.

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yes now would be a good time to get it if you are going to get it later.

Dehydration is an issue in Ebola treatment, but its the internal hemorrhaging and organ failure that is the cause of most mortality, IV fluids have to be measured precisely as too much fluids just make the hemorrhaging worse and kill the patient faster.

think of ebola as Aids like for its incubation period it goes undetected by the immune system, then if hemorrhaging occurs, think of it of millions of tiny pin pricks throughout the inside the body on every organ which causes tiny bleeds and clotting, at-least that what it looked like to me on the autopsied organs shown in that old US army documentary.
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Call me crazy but it seems pretty clear that Ebola is curable.
Most people who get Ebola usually die from dehydration. As long as the patient's fluids are monitored and they are kept hydrated their chances for survival skyrocket.

What it comes down to is everyone that gets Ebola eventually create antibodies that can defeat the virus. Unfortunately it's usually too late and the people succumb from dehydration before the antibodies can do their job.

Getting Dr. Brantley's plasma basically gives the patient a superdose of antibodies that can beat down on the Ebola. Being in first world health conditions allows the doctors and nurses to monitor the patient and keep him/her hydrated and healthy enough to allow the antibodies to kill the Ebola.

Now for my point... If I get Ebola, I hope it's sooner rather than later. I imagine my chance of survival would be much greater than it will be 3 months from now.

We're getting so many survivors NOW because our hospitals aren't overrun.
With zero flight restrictions how long will it be before our "first world" hospitals can't keep up with the influx of patients? How long until instead of 10 nurses to each Ebola patients it becomes 1 nurse for each 10 Ebola patients??
How long until there's a shortage on Saline and other fluids to keep the patients hydrated? If I recall correctly last year there was a major shortage of saline.

Obviously I'd much rather not get Ebola at all but it kinda makes you think.
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It is never the best time.

You can catch it as many times as you catch it.
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I likely had cached ebola in December 2013 because i had to 85% the same symptoms.

Well and see i'm still alive even if that illness took me almost 3 months to heal, which worried me as i normally never get ill.
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Currently ebola has a 0% mortality rate for US citizens treated in the US. The only Ebola death in the US was an African.

Something is going on because these people are coming out of the hospital looking great, like this Pham girl.
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Ozonized sterile distilled water injected into the body. Ozone and ultraviolet C wavelength are true pathogen killers.
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I likely had cached ebola in December 2013 because i had to 85% the same symptoms.

Well and see i'm still alive even if that illness took me almost 3 months to heal, which worried me as i normally never get ill.
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Even cured, i read it stays in you cns for life.
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Currently ebola has a 0% mortality rate for US citizens treated in the US. The only Ebola death in the US was an African.

Something is going on because these people are coming out of the hospital looking great, like this Pham girl.
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Another point to consider is that Duncan was too far along to save. Wasn't he like in day 5 of showing symptoms by the time he was admitted into the hospital? IIRC his step daughter said she called the ambulance when she saw he had red eyes. that definitely is NOT beginning stages of Ebola.
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It is never the best time.

You can catch it as many times as you catch it.
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^This^
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Truth is that these are all assumptions. How about the doctor who is claiming they are whisking away patients with ebola symptoms out of hospitals?? He has as much credibility if not more than any news lying agency on tv.

It is just as plausible that these "patients" never had ebola and were being used as a diversion from those truly dying of the virus that are being "disappeared". I am currently suffering from H. Pylori and I feel like complete dog shit trying to recover. Ive read how ebola patients have a difficult battle once they recover with other various problems associated with the battle itself. We have all has the flu (well, most of us), and even afterwards for a few days I dont want to do shit. Im exhausted and lost weight, etc. We are being played like a fiddle. I do not bekieve for one instant that pham or vinson had ebola. I believe the true carriers are never told.
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So when they are cured and is still in their sperm or CNS does that mean it's just dormant? Maybe could be re-activated later? They say it gives immunity to that particular strain but I'm not so sure it just doesn't go dormant for a while.
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Only curable if you're the crisis actor!

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Truth is that these are all assumptions. How about the doctor who is claiming they are whisking away patients with ebola symptoms out of hospitals?? He has as much credibility if not more than any news lying agency on tv.

It is just as plausible that these "patients" never had ebola and were being used as a diversion from those truly dying of the virus that are being "disappeared". I am currently suffering from H. Pylori and I feel like complete dog shit trying to recover. Ive read how ebola patients have a difficult battle once they recover with other various problems associated with the battle itself. We have all has the flu (well, most of us), and even afterwards for a few days I dont want to do shit. Im exhausted and lost weight, etc. We are being played like a fiddle. I do not bekieve for one instant that pham or vinson had ebola. I believe the true carriers are never told.
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Currently ebola has a 0% mortality rate for US citizens treated in the US. The only Ebola death in the US was an African.

Something is going on because these people are coming out of the hospital looking great, like this Pham girl.
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Ebola is literally depopulating Africa.
It does so by literally liquifying its host.
What we are seeing in the news is some sort of weaponized Marburg.
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So when they are cured and is still in their sperm or CNS does that mean it's just dormant? Maybe could be re-activated later? They say it gives immunity to that particular strain but I'm not so sure it just doesn't go dormant for a while.
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these types of cells are not as actively attacked by the immune system, once they die naturally and are replaced they should be virus free.
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I generally agree with the OP that those who catch ebola now when patients are rare are more likely to survive than those who catch it as part of a mass outbreak wave.

The assumption that once you've had ebola you can never catch it again, though, is far from certain. I don't think there are enough surviving victims over a long enough stretch of time for that to be statistically indicated. We know ebola mutates, as does the common garden variety flu. Every year requires a new flu vaccine because the immune system does not recognize the "new" version of the virus.

If they ever do successfully develop an ebola vaccine, it is likely to be necessary to re-develop it every year as "ebola season" comes around again. Hopefully that would be rare enough here in North America that only health care professionals would need to get it. But you never know, sometimes the worst case scenario turns out to be the actual case. Maybe all the people naturally succeptible to it will die off and those left will be better suited to fend off subsequent waves... such as occured with the 1918 influenza and the Black Plague.
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I think your body must learn to produce the antibodies. I'm no doctor, but keeping hydrated will be key once you and I get it.
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Yes, because most patients insides liquidify due to extreme dehydration.

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How do you get a survivor if it's not curable?
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Many ppl have survived Ebola but it takes time and resources.
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Fuck that shit! Sorry Monk you're wrong. Blood serum will not help; regardless of what they say on the MSM.....

here's the low down...

1. We all have cellular walls, that keep the innies from the outties... cool stuff if you learned biology....

here's the problem... it breaks down the cell walls of everything....

ie: you don't have a liver anyomore/ kidneys etc.. all of the cell wall break down... blood vessels, brain tissue, major organs, venous and arterial connections, nerves.... et al


nerves are good because it stops this factor; the pain....

when patients get to a bleed out point, your body is melting....

or melted.....

sad, scary and probably very painful, but by the time those infect get to that point, their brain is a glob as well....

there's the facts...

anyone want it?

ps: NOBODY has level four containment for an epidemic of the considered outbreak if it happens....

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Wow, I just realized you're right.

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Call me crazy but it seems pretty clear that Ebola is curable.
Most people who get Ebola usually die from dehydration. As long as the patient's fluids are monitored and they are kept hydrated their chances for survival skyrocket.

What it comes down to is everyone that gets Ebola eventually create antibodies that can defeat the virus. Unfortunately it's usually too late and the people succumb from dehydration before the antibodies can do their job.

Getting Dr. Brantley's plasma basically gives the patient a superdose of antibodies that can beat down on the Ebola. Being in first world health conditions allows the doctors and nurses to monitor the patient and keep him/her hydrated and healthy enough to allow the antibodies to kill the Ebola.

Now for my point... If I get Ebola, I hope it's sooner rather than later. I imagine my chance of survival would be much greater than it will be 3 months from now.

We're getting so many survivors NOW because our hospitals aren't overrun.
With zero flight restrictions how long will it be before our "first world" hospitals can't keep up with the influx of patients? How long until instead of 10 nurses to each Ebola patients it becomes 1 nurse for each 10 Ebola patients??
How long until there's a shortage on Saline and other fluids to keep the patients hydrated? If I recall correctly last year there was a major shortage of saline.

Obviously I'd much rather not get Ebola at all but it kinda makes you think.
 Quoting: Sirrx7


Agreed...

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