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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64231364 United Kingdom 10/27/2014 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't understand why hospices would use slow painful ways to kill patients when they can just send em to sleep permanently |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63726277 Australia 10/27/2014 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well they can wet there mouths with a spung but remember they are being flushed with hypertonic saline which is a high concentrate salt saline to dehydrate them more rapidly every hour, that's why the family's are so shocked at the sudden decline. Quoting: Remain Postulant So that is what they were doing to my Nonno. He said, "Every half-an-hour-a, they come-a with-a the salt-a water". He got better and lived though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52495092 United Kingdom 10/27/2014 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know you don't want health professionals to post but I'd like to add what I was taught. When death is coming in the near future and through the disease process the patient goes unconscious (not because of drugs or treatments but through the disease) then withholding fluids increases the concentrations of electrolytes which decreases the pain felt. Thus this is an act of kindness. The use of opiates though does concern me add I have seen many times them being used to hasten death through causing respiratory depression. The way they get it off this legally is that the so called primary intent is to relieve pain and the respiratory depression is a secondary side effect. We all know this is bull though and the drugs are being used to knock them off but nobody is willing to have an open discussion about this as they perceive this to be unpalatable to society. I am an ER and cardiac RN. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64459755 Australia 10/27/2014 04:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know you don't want health professionals to post but I'd like to add what I was taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52495092 When death is coming in the near future and through the disease process the patient goes unconscious (not because of drugs or treatments but through the disease) then withholding fluids increases the concentrations of electrolytes which decreases the pain felt. Thus this is an act of kindness. The use of opiates though does concern me add I have seen many times them being used to hasten death through causing respiratory depression. The way they get it off this legally is that the so called primary intent is to relieve pain and the respiratory depression is a secondary side effect. We all know this is bull though and the drugs are being used to knock them off but nobody is willing to have an open discussion about this as they perceive this to be unpalatable to society. I am an ER and cardiac RN. Sounds about right. A friend's friend's mother was given morphine (and she died), but was not experiencing pain to begin with. This was in hospital though, not hospice. |
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Thrilla User ID: 28053131 United States 10/27/2014 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I looked it up and this is the first story I found. Wow, OP you opened up the can of rotting worms for sure! So right you are about this epidemic of evil parasites. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] Lose your mind so you can find it again. |
Bambi2U User ID: 60342615 United States 10/27/2014 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After you lose someone without hospice, you will understand "We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ." "The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16783840 United States 10/27/2014 04:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I fullt understand losing someone without hospice as well/ Just 2 weeks ago I lost mt sister, whom which was a nurse, to brain cancer. She understood hospice an herself chose not to go that route. She lived through her fight at home with family taking care of her up until 30 hrs before her death and then she was hospitalized with no hospice care per her request. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16783840 United States 10/27/2014 04:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I fullt understand losing someone without hospice as well/ Just 2 weeks ago I lost mt sister, whom which was a nurse, to brain cancer. She understood hospice an herself chose not to go that route. She lived through her fight at home with family taking care of her up until 30 hrs before her death and then she was hospitalized with no hospice care per her request. sorry about the typo's .....fully not fullt |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44261836 United States 10/27/2014 04:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I read the title to this thread, my jaw dropped and memories of my Grandmothers death flashed before my eyes. See she was in Hospice care in the hospital and they denied her any fluids because she had a DNR. Mind you she wasn't unconscious..she had a heart attack that killed part of her heart. Anyhow...one day while I was in the room visiting her, I had brought her a cup of McDonalds tea which she requested. Right as soon as she started to take a drink out of the straw the nurse walked in and had a total shit fit because I was giving it to her. She then advised to me that she was not allowed to have any liquids or food ever and that they had all been taken away from her so that she could die a peaceful death and that me doing so was just prolonging her pain. To this day it haunts me that I didn't stand my ground and fight the nurse and let her have it anyhow. My poor grandmother if you could have seen her face when the nurse said that. All she did after that was close her eyes and refused to talk to anyone again....then she passed away days later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16783840 My dad didn't realize he was dying, we were trying to save him, and a nurse they sent out started talking about him, in front of him, as if he were already dead. He just had this panicked look on his face. If you LOVE your loved ones, you will keep these ghouls, these tools of Satan, away from your door. |
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natalie User ID: 60510748 United States 10/27/2014 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I read the title to this thread, my jaw dropped and memories of my Grandmothers death flashed before my eyes. See she was in Hospice care in the hospital and they denied her any fluids because she had a DNR. Mind you she wasn't unconscious..she had a heart attack that killed part of her heart. Anyhow...one day while I was in the room visiting her, I had brought her a cup of McDonalds tea which she requested. Right as soon as she started to take a drink out of the straw the nurse walked in and had a total shit fit because I was giving it to her. She then advised to me that she was not allowed to have any liquids or food ever and that they had all been taken away from her so that she could die a peaceful death and that me doing so was just prolonging her pain. To this day it haunts me that I didn't stand my ground and fight the nurse and let her have it anyhow. My poor grandmother if you could have seen her face when the nurse said that. All she did after that was close her eyes and refused to talk to anyone again....then she passed away days later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16783840 My dad didn't realize he was dying, we were trying to save him, and a nurse they sent out started talking about him, in front of him, as if he were already dead. He just had this panicked look on his face. If you LOVE your loved ones, you will keep these ghouls, these tools of Satan, away from your door. Oh yes that happened too. Fuck them. When I read the title to this thread, my jaw dropped and memories of my Grandmothers death flashed before my eyes. See she was in Hospice care in the hospital and they denied her any fluids because she had a DNR. Mind you she wasn't unconscious..she had a heart attack that killed part of her heart. Anyhow...one day while I was in the room visiting her, I had brought her a cup of McDonalds tea which she requested. Right as soon as she started to take a drink out of the straw the nurse walked in and had a total shit fit because I was giving it to her. She then advised to me that she was not allowed to have any liquids or food ever and that they had all been taken away from her so that she could die a peaceful death and that me doing so was just prolonging her pain. To this day it haunts me that I didn't stand my ground and fight the nurse and let her have it anyhow. My poor grandmother if you could have seen her face when the nurse said that. All she did after that was close her eyes and refused to talk to anyone again....then she passed away days later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16783840 My dad didn't realize he was dying, we were trying to save him, and a nurse they sent out started talking about him, in front of him, as if he were already dead. He just had this panicked look on his face. If you LOVE your loved ones, you will keep these ghouls, these tools of Satan, away from your door. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44261836 United States 10/27/2014 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tink hospice is more humane than bullshit places like "Cancer centers of America" that get paid huge amounts to tell hopeless, doomed cancer patients with no chance for a cure that they "will have them cured and back to work in 6 months" and then let them die in a hospital wing built to look like a vacation hotel, but then I guess siome people want to be lied to until the very end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64551621 There is no such thing as a "doomed" cancer patient. There is no one cure for cancer. THERE ARE MANY CURES FOR CANCER! Put yourself in the hands of "orthodox" medicine though, and your ass belongs to the Mohicans. Cut you, burn you, poison you until you expire. If you stayed home and did absolutely NOTHING you'd last longer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52339731 United States 10/27/2014 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Google palliative care. They have choices of medicines for people who are really suffering. End stage suffering. The flip is a lot of articles talk about the hormones and chemicals the body is designed to release when someone is getting ready to pass. A lot of stories of the mental acceptance by patient was there in both cases ie: with or without palliative care. There is also debates about when to call in hospice. They offer a lot of services, not just medical for the patient. Also, Final Exit is a service people use too but they are always getting sued because they use a heliim tank hood method, I watched a frontline about them. They believe people have death rights outside of their family, doctors, clergy or lawyers beliefs. Regardless, I have always been told the person dying is ok and it is the people left behind that aren't. They are the ones sad confused and missing their loved one. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44261836 United States 10/27/2014 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Google palliative care. They have choices of medicines for people who are really suffering. End stage suffering. The flip is a lot of articles talk about the hormones and chemicals the body is designed to release when someone is getting ready to pass. A lot of stories of the mental acceptance by patient was there in both cases ie: with or without palliative care. There is also debates about when to call in hospice. They offer a lot of services, not just medical for the patient. Also, Final Exit is a service people use too but they are always getting sued because they use a heliim tank hood method, I watched a frontline about them. They believe people have death rights outside of their family, doctors, clergy or lawyers beliefs. Regardless, I have always been told the person dying is ok and it is the people left behind that aren't. They are the ones sad confused and missing their loved one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52339731 Helium Tank Hood??? Why not just stick your loved one in the front seat of the car and pipe in some exhaust? Where are these evil people coming from? This is another signpost on the depraved path America is on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52339731 United States 10/27/2014 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.finalexitnetwork.org] I think only the person ill can signup and you have to be mentally stable when you do. Touchy subject and different beliefs across age groups, religions, doctors, families. sorry for anyone losing a loved one. Ebola had me thinking the other day but I imagine noone would help them in "end stage ebola". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48896562 Canada 10/27/2014 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was with my mom under Hospice care when she died, and you all are full of shit. They were educational and compassionate. Dehydration? Dying people don't drink, idiots. I could have put a cup of water in my dying mom's hand all day long, and she would not have taken a sip from it... because she was dying. Durr. Quoting: TheBiss Unless you have a personal experience with Hospice that was bad regarding your dying loved one, STFU. I lost my Mother, Mother-In -Law and Sister under their so called care. They push death, death, death. why were they taken there? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36028555 United States 10/27/2014 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From what I have been reading a lot of family members are left scarred for life having to watch there loved one dehydrated to death in an agonizing horrific death because they cannot do anything about it, the children of the loved one because they cannot stop it and have to watch their parent die in front of them dehydrated to death because the wife or someone else has the Power of Attorney over the patient. Quoting: Remain Postulant True story, and I don't believe too far off topic. Years back, my father had fought cancer for about ten years, but when it spread quickly into his lungs and brain, he chose to end his life by starvation, including no fluids. I came to visit off and on. Hospice DID check in daily, but it was my step-mom who made the ultimate decision to honor how wishes, although us siblings were horrified. Unfortunately my dad, at 85 was very healthy, aside from the cancer, jogging every morning for five miles, eating right and possibly this caused his passing to take longer than expected. At one period, he changed his mind. Unfortunately it was too late, his organs were already shutting or shut down. Watching him at end was horrific, he didn't even resemble himself, looked like a POW. I don't harbor ill feelings towards my step-mom or family members that gave in, but to this day the image I have of him is how he looked at the end. I wonder how many others might have family or know of someone that went this path to end their journey of life here sooner. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61974406 United States 10/27/2014 05:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have had 3 family members on hospice, one my grandmother 4 heart surgeries wanted no more but she had water till she died , 2 weeks . Then my brother at 49 had 2 strokes & an aneurysm, really he should have died but lived 2 years. He could not walk , eat or drink by himself and laid in a bed all that time our advanced medical technology saves many that would die naturally so double edge sword. Then my mother-inlaw had stroke and aneurysm in ER ,in her 70s but had water till died, 1 week . I have seen and understand God is in charge of Life and Death no matter what , if he wants that Doctor to save you He will , if He wants a bolt of lighting to take you it will. My brother lived long enough to ask Jesus in his life and be Baptized then he died. Tough thing our medical care , good thread thanks for posting |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44261836 United States 10/27/2014 05:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why is this pinned when it doesn't benefit everyone and is so heavily restricted? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64483021 It may make someone who is considering murdering their loved ones, with a smile, reconsider. Pain relief is one thing (which they gladly overuse to speed you along your way) but deprivation of fluids is barbaric. They tried that in Saint Agnes Hospital in Baltimore on my dad. This wasn't hospice either. They stuck him in a room and left him there to die. No food, no water, no NOTHING! When I got there and discovered what was going on I flipped my lid. I could have torn that doctor's head off his shoulders. I said, "I'm taking my father home to die". He gave me a flip response, "I'll sign the papers right now". Dying people are a burden. They brought you into this world, they cared for you, they sat up sleepless nights with you, they spent their lives and their labor and their wealth on you because they love you. If you can't be there for them throughout their exit from this world, shame on you. |
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