OFFICIAL NASA VIDEO ADMITS To NEVER SENDING PEOPLE TO THE MOON

BZZT. Sorry, wrong guess. Would you care to try Double Jeopardy?



Nope. Again, nice try though.



I find it hilarious how you claim to know who I am and who my father was, yet then come up with bits like this that prove you have no idea.

Poisoning the Well noted, by the by.



I am all for you criticizing agendas and attacking behavior that *you don't engage in yourself.* I am all for you pointing out what you believe to be other's big mistakes, conspiracies, and the like to your heart's content. What would drive me away is for you to stop engaging in fallacious arguments, stop making up supporting statistics, flatly admit when you're wrong or mistaken without taking pages of argument, documenting, linking, and footnoting sources, or attacking people *personally* in order for you to disagree with their ideas, and to keep your hot and possibly vein-bursting temper under control when you post.

I think you'd be a *far* more effective spokesman for the things you believe if you learned to do these simple, simple things -- and it's all I've ever asked of you.

Cute, and yes, you do.

I never imagined it was. It's obvious you're doing what you are for one reason, you're obsessed with me personally, judging by your comments most likely because of my disdain for jews, homosexuals and other deviants.



You mean, Like fags, deviants,pedophiles, feminazis, jewish subversives and professional liars, and frequently people who are all or most of the above?




Then you have a sad life. I think it's enough to leave it at that.Maybe the reason you have no life is because you're such a worthless piece of human refuse and mo body likes you because of it.



By change my behavior you mean cease and desist from criticizing and attacking agendas I believe are detrimental to my children and grandchildren's future. FUCK OFF, hard.
It will never happen.

Then why did you write, not three POSTS ago:




I never made that claim. Once again, you made it up out of thin air, then when called on it, you suddenly say that you never imagined it was.

You logic-o-meter is in need of calibrating.

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BZZT. Sorry, wrong guess. Would you care to try Double Jeopardy?



Nope. Again, nice try though.



I find it hilarious how you claim to know who I am and who my father was, yet then come up with bits like this that prove you have no idea.

Poisoning the Well noted, by the by.



I am all for you criticizing agendas and attacking behavior that *you don't engage in yourself.* I am all for you pointing out what you believe to be other's big mistakes, conspiracies, and the like to your heart's content. What would drive me away is for you to stop engaging in fallacious arguments, stop making up supporting statistics, flatly admit when you're wrong or mistaken without taking pages of argument, documenting, linking, and footnoting sources, or attacking people *personally* in order for you to disagree with their ideas, and to keep your hot and possibly vein-bursting temper under control when you post.

I think you'd be a *far* more effective spokesman for the things you believe if you learned to do these simple, simple things -- and it's all I've ever asked of you.

I believe it is probably a valid argument to give my own person observation, and to give my own opinion on what i think it means.

In my opinion, the voice transmissions on earlier Apollo mission EVA's didn't reveal a lot of stress or even hard breathing. In A-17 voice transmissions the stress and excitement in the astronauts voices is readily apparent.

It always made me wonder how the first man to step off onto the surface of the moon was so calm. I don't give a shit who you are and how accustomed to danger you are, when you're a quarter million miles away from Earth, don't have any real good indication you're ever going to make it back alive, and stepping off onto another world, you're going to be extremely excited, anxious and apprehensive, and you're not going to be saying it looks like the desert southwest in a relaxed voice.



Talking about being calm.Listen to the alleged Apollo 16 Lunar Rover. test.........: ".Man...Ive never seen a driver like this ".
Those guys felt like they were playing with a boogie in a desert sand LOL.
Those Lunar Rover jokes were just Too much...I think this is a total abuse in stretching common sense
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You mean like since nearly half of all sexual assault victims are males assaulted by adult males, that nearly half of all child molesters are fags?

And since fags are only 2% of the population, that makes them @ 25 times as likely to molest a child?

Or is it something like since the feminist agenda took root, childhood mental problems have skyrocketed and the social fabric has been undermined and destroyed?

Stalkers always have personal reasons for their behavior. There are no exceptions.
Since my personal insults directed toward you were mild in comparison to some of the wrongs you perpetrated, it was easy to conclude it was not you personally that I was attacking, it was a prime agenda that you consider important. Because i was critical of that agenda, you became obsessed with me, personally.

It's more than likely some sexual perversion IMO, or other socially corrosive agenda.

Where on Earth did all *that* come from? And you complain about *others* diverting the thread?

And I am sure, for *whatever* statistics you post, you have source material just waiting to be posted as well. After all, I do not believe what I am told without proof.

Thankfully I am not a stalker, then.



What wrongs would *those* be, other than reposting your own words at inopportune moments?



Nice dodges, but it still amuses me no end that you can't keep your stories straight even three and four posts apart. It's like the lovely time when that "other poster" was supporting you, who at first didn't know you personally, then suddenly attended the same Church as you, and then suddenly was a relation of yours all using the *SAME IP.*

You can't pay for entertainment like that.




Poisoning the well (sigh) noted.

Pointing out your stalking and speculating on the reasons for it might be "poisoning" your "well", but you HAVE stalked me for 15 years and I CAN prove it.

It's not anything about you that I've said to cause it, so it has to be one of my personal pet peeves that I rally against consistently, like mainstreaming sexual perversion, jewish domination of critical infrastructure in a Christian nation, or feminazism. In my opinion whichever of these agendas or similar ones that has caused this reaction is really irrelevant, they all come from the same source and the goal is undermining the social fabric and opposing the natural order of creation.

If I might play devil's advocate for a moment here. Lumping some of the things together you do at times is somewhat of a personal attack. Abusing children is reprehensible of course, but most homosexuals or Jewish people or feminists would agree. And most would understandably take offense if you implied that representation in one of these groups is worthy of your condemnation based on the actions of a few.

Also there are abusers in the ranks of nearly any group you care to name including I suppose hare krishnas, eskimoes and astrophysicists too. All these groups are part of the natural order and the way you sound sometimes seems to suggest that you want all these groups removed from that order ex post haste, which is disturbing. In any case you don't know the motivation of another and your statements insinuate you know when you only suspect.

Some of these familiar nasa cheerleaders can be annoying at times, and I have witnessed plenty of antagonism towards you and others seemingly for doing nothing more than disagreeing about apollo. And the tactics employed are sometimes deliberately designed to promote confusion which I find particularly objectionable. But some of them I do believe sincerely believe they are countering disinfo, and they are dogged in protecting what they consider a sort of hallowed ground of scientific understanding. Perhaps I give too much credit but I am trying to be fair.

I appreciate your scientific insights and may even be sympathetic to many of your other views if you did not go overboard on the stridency, and start generalizing too much. I have met many people from many faiths, racial and ethnic backgrounds and I feel lucky to have made friends with quite a few of them. Everyone has unique challenges overcoming the programming of our ancestors to understand what is real. You ask that others have an open mind to your conjectures on apollo. I am asking you to open your mind that there is more uniting us in common purpose than is dividing us if we are fair.

Politically correct BS. Using some cartoonish language is common at Glp.

Back to the real issue: If the Apollo fairy tale falls, NASA goes down the drain. And if so ( which won't happen in our lifetime IMHO ) what comes next has more serious implications than just a few political hiccups.

They are just buying time, the whole thing is grotesquely absurd.

Couldn't have said it better myself, how many times has our government used something before knowing how bad it was.

Or hell just people in general.

And even when they DO know how bad it is they do it anyway.... like drinking, smoking, sex.....

People like to win and feel good no matter what.

They tested nukes ONE time, one week before dropping them on half a million innocent people, not having a fucking clue about what radiation would do to them.....

We sprayed agent orange made by monsanto on our own fucking soldiers in vietnam.

Athletes still take steroids even though it is against the rules and shrinks your nuts....


People speed in their cars even though the number 1 proven statistic that kills people in vehicles is speed.

Shall I go on?


So yah In a country where people will literally kill each other to get a playstation 3 first, you seem shocked as a nation we'd risk the lives of 3 pilots to have bragging rights that we beat the ruskies.

What fucking world do you live in?

Asserts facts not in evidence.



Ha! You don't speculate, you *assert.* And, contrary to what you claim, your assertions are quite often hilariously wrong.





No, you can't, because you are incorrect. I encountered you a decade ago. So you have me confused with someone else.

And if you use your usual IDW methods of "proof," I am sure this one will get chucked into the circular file as well.



BZZT. I *told* you. It was the way you hounded other posters that I happened to like. I told you that if you continued, I would employ your own methods against you, and would also keep track of what you posted for later use. Thus the Big List was born, and, as it happened, you proceeded to give me *ample* ammunition.

You made your bed. The whole List is a mere consequence of it. You want the List and me gone? You know my conditions.

Stalkers always have personal reasons for their behavior. There are no exceptions.


The dishonesty of that comment is self evident.



Dedicated stalking spanning a decade and half , quote mining and alteration of said quotes, personal character attacks, ad hominems , attempts to undermine credibility and so on. I could simply change my internet ID, but thats not going to happen, That IS your goal.






Ten you have a sad life, I'll wager.
I don't recall the specific instance you're referring to, but the system of user ID numbers probably doesn't work like you think it does. If another person using a different computer linked to the internet through the same wifi modem, they're going to have the same user ID. I know this because I have three computers connected to the same modem in my home alone. If a family member or a neighbor is using the wifi, what would their user ID number be here, as it relates to my own?

I know you can't imagine anyone having friends or family, but trust me when I say that they do












I have lists of posts you have made in the past 15 years including in many cases posts which still exist that have not been deletes, the content which number in the tens of thousands, all of them directed at me from yourself form your IP address, the subject remarks attacking myself that have the intent to undermine my credibility and attack my character.
If that isn't proof of stalking, I don't know what is.






You have made this claim repeatedly and consistently, and you have *one* example of where I was actually wrong that you rely on to prove it.





The only reason you're making this claim is because you know that the posts on this forum that precede 2005 have been deleted. Your lies are betrayed by your own quote mining list, which include derivatives of comments I made in 2001, many of them, and that was 15 years ago thereabouts.



ANd what users were those?
The problem is that you have never provided any references to the quotes so that they could be viewed and compared with what you claimed. You have a list of quotes ,thousands of them, and they are your own words for the most part.

Some of them are true, some of them are altered for content and context, and some of them fabricated out of thin air. The one thing it proves is that you're not smart enough to realize that it proves you're dangerously obsessed, and displaying tendencies indicative of psychopathology.



I have no problem with you doing what you are. It isn't having the effect you believe it is anyway. You're well known for what you are, and your credibility is zero.

What you actually prove if nothing else is that I am important enough in your mind to dedicate your entire life to me.

Once again, you do all that yourself. I just point 'em out.

And once again asserting things that aren't true, sans evidence. How like you.



Nope, it's not. Besides, you did that already, several times.





Ten what? And Ad Hominem noted.




You don't recall, but then start talking about USER IDs?

BZZT. Exactly the same error you (and your sock) were making back then! Hysterical!

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And you've also claimed in the past that I work for the forum. If I do, how could I be wrong about how the User IDs work? Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now?




All the computers using *your* router will have the same ID, until the IP of the router is changed. Your ISP has a bank of IPs that they use, over and over again.

Different computers using the same cellular wireless connection will *not* have the same IP, and thus not the same ID. You still haven't learned from your blunders back then.




Then why the coy denials when you got caught?




Again, you do that all yourself. I just help out.




Thus by definition, since there's whole threads you've participated in where I haven't answered, and often don't answer all the posts you've made -- *YOU* must be stalking Astro, or BA or your other "enemies" of yours. There's nothing you can point at me doing that *you haven't done yourself.*

And if you stop engaging in such practices, so shall I. Deal?



I'll let the List speak for itself as to the number of times you've proven fabulously wrong.



Heh. You're making one terrible blunder of an assumption. I'll see if you can figure out what that is.




Irrelevant.



Except when you've challenged me on specific quotes, I *have* provided the links, haven't I?

Oh, *please* feel free to *specifically* deny some more.




Which means *you* are displaying what, precisely?




Is that a sentence?



With whom? And why should I care what *my* credibility is? That's why I provide *links* and *sources.* You know, those pesky things you use so rarely.



That you think my replies and saving your quotes took *an entire life's* work is the height of your usual egotism. I'd be surprised if the average was even an hour a day, given there have been entire *months* when I haven't responded to you at all.

Now, by comparison, what about the amount of time *you* spend hereabouts?

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You want evidence?

I have evidence.

This has been going on for 15 years.

Approximately 75% of this man "74444"'s posts are personal attacks directed at me.

The entries above are only a few he has made in the past few months.

All together they number in the tens of thousands.

In the past, if I made a post his response time was less than 15 minutes, all hours of the day and night, almost as if he had some sort of notification rigged up to wake him and alert him.

This has been going on for 15 years.

If it is not evidence of obsessive criminal stalking, WHAT IS?

That's not the point. Jews are promoting homosexuality intentionally and they know it is harmful to children. Whether or not homosexuals admit it or not or whether they are child abusers themselves, a homosexual is statistically @20 times as likely to sexually abuse a child. Because they are lobbying for equal rights and recognized marriages, the next stage is they'll be suing anyone that stands in their way of adopting child victims for discrimination, AND WINNING. People w ill be afraid to refuse them an adoption.

Feminism is destructive to society and is an integral part of the plan to undermine and destroy the family. Feminists themselves probably don't realize how they are being used for this ends, but the symptoms in society are undeniable.


All of the groups I have mentioned are highly corrosive and destructive to civilization and morality, and have no place in a moral society.




It does not take anything but a conscious to know right from wrong. While there are evil people of all stripes, there are also evil groups or agendas, and the individual within them is always guilty.



Some of the less intelligent ones do obviously believe what they're saying. It's sad, really. They are being cheerlead by people like Phil Plait and Jay Windley, who are cretins of the highest order.


A feminist is corrosive to morality and the social structure. Jews are parasitic and support morally corrosive agendas because they are empowered in this way. Homosexuals are harmful to children in general and should be legally restrained from promoting their filth and kept away from children. Homosexuality does not produce children, and there's a reason for that.




We either learn through our life experiences or not.

I DID.

I am outspoken against religious or racial prejudice and ignorance, but that doesn't extend to tolerating or supporting evil agendas.

Science is not a religion and persons who view ideas which are unproved such as "the big bang theory" and extra species evolution are defending these ideas as if they are religious tenets, and their beliefs are more often than not totally faith based, that is in the total absence of evidence or understanding.

If you present an alternate theory, it is literally forbidden, much like claiming Jesus didn't die for your sins and trying to be a Christian would be reacted to.

Also, certain men not deserving are given godlike status, and defended as if they are infallible, more so than a Catholic considers the pope. Insult Einsteins and watch how they react.

But men like Newton and Tesla can be ridiculed and derided all you wish.


That's a religion, a faith based belief system, it's the newest religion, pseudo scientific atheism, and the one rule YOU DO NOT BREAK is try to point out the intelligent design of the universe or the possibility of creator.

One thing that ALL of the major innovators in science that have withstood the test of time had in common was a belief in an intelligent design of the universe.

I contend that the universe is decoded by intelligence because it is intelligent. Being forced to operate under ANY preconceived constraints IS NOT SCIENCE, it is faith.

If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

Few are born without the ability to know right from wrong, but unfortunately we are convinced it doesn't matter.

And then there are those few psychopaths devoid of conscious who promote all of these destructive ideas, presenting them as "a choice". Well, political correctness be damned, evil is as evil does, you have to draw the line somewhere.

So far, you've only spammed the dates of replies to you over the last couple years. Nothing about 15 years, since I haven't been.

Replying to you is also only evidence that I have replied to you. On a public message forum, no less. That's all.

So, how many posts did *you* make at GLP the same time? I'd guess probably a lot more.

Not *another* made up statistic. Say it ain't so!



To be fair, some of those were going back to 2013.



Well, gosh, then. *You* must have made tens of thousands of posts, too!



Be careful, your rampant paranoia is showing.



Your repeating of a falsity does not make it true.



If you weren't stalking the Bad Astronomer, Windley, Bob, and a bunch of other posters I could mention, then I am not stalking you, by your own definition.

I also cannot help but notice you avoiding several of my other points. How droll.

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It looks like stalking to me. When you asked for evidence it was here, then it was gone. How would evidence of criminal stalking be spam is what inquiring minds want to know.

Can you show evidence of tens of thousands of posts made on threads they were posting to attacking them?

Does the fact that they are employed as representatives of NASA make them legitimate targets of scrutiny? How does this taxpayer funded status effect the rights of American citizens to criticize them?
Is there any difference between a private citizen and a 'NASA outreach representative" and a man that appears on television shilling hoaxes and frauds?

Why don't you tell me how you really feel. People have opinions around here, that's cool. But, sometimes you have to set out some value boundaries for lack of a better expression. Idw certainly sets out his. And where we differ is that I think a profound evil is allowed to fester when one goes about condemning whole groups of people for the actions of a few. History is clear on this. It is the slipperiest of slopes towards hell on earth. I rarely try to get overly preachy when I am simply having a philosophical and scientific discussion but I feel the need to state clearly my objections to some of the rhetoric that is thrown around. If that makes me pc bs purveyor then so be it.
I agree with your last statement. Absurd is a great word for it.

There are all kinds of Jews, just like there are all kinds i don't know buddhists for example. Homosexuals, same. How adults choose to love each other or the ways they choose to commune with the divine, is really not your business. Anyone from any group abusing children should be locked up in most cases for life. There is where we might find agreement.

The leap you make to condemning whole groups of humanity without trial and presuming the absolute worst is simply wrong and could also be considered scientifically retarded which tends to discredit your other arguments, some of which are at times quite compelling.

As a human living in the world with a fair degree of awareness I am not without any prejudicial views and I disagree at times with pc gone overboard into mind control territory. I am not telling you how to feel, i am simply responding to how your comments on these issues make me feel. Uncomfortable.

I have witnessed too much evil and damage to innocents because someone projected their personal proclivities and opinions upon everyone else. Each of us is part of nature, part of God's creation (if your beliefs fit that interpretation) and deserves to be here on some basis of essential equality. To argue otherwise sets the mind on a path of loneliness, destruction of the good to a goal that represents the absence of love and any possibility of redemption.

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I believe all of these issues are intrinsically realted and have a common thread.

History shows a decline in moral standards always comes before a collapse of an empire or society.

In this case I believe that collapse is being engineered, by the same group that has done it in the past. It is tied in directly to the pseudo scientific doctrine being enforced by law in our public schools and academia, where advocating any theory of intelligent design or existence of a creator is considered criminal.

Why is that?
Is it not true that all of the most intelligent men in scientific history have labored under the preconceived notion of an intelligent arrangement of the universe? If it isn't intelligent, what is the purpose of using intelligence to try to understand it?

As you eluded to before, logic and deception don't mix, they're oil and water. Attempting to understand the universe in the context of a preconceived notion of random happenstance without purpose enforced by law results in what can best be described as irrational and laughably ridiculous "Theories", and coincident decline in morality and society.

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I don't blame the homosexual for being a homosexual, I blame those empowering them and encouraging them to preach it to our children as being an acceptable "lifestyle". It's not. It results in early death and spreads dangerous and deadly diseases. Statistics don't lie, nearly half of all kids who are being sexually abused are victims of homosexuals, a segment of society compromising less than 2.5% of the population.

That is enough to preclude homosexuals from adopting children, or promoting homosexuality to children. It's common sense. I have NO PROBLEM whatsoever with who anyone chooses to "love" or how. But I do doubt homosexuality has as much to do with love as it does a mental aberration and lust.
As a sexual perversion, it is hard to deny (as the statistics show) that it leads to serious mental and physical health problems.
Feminism is another serious problem. Natural roles cannot be discarded without serious effects on the social structure. The human family is structured around a feminine caretaker in the home and a male "breadwinner" and protector.
In this case, women in the workforce on an equal bearing with men has accomplished nothing positive. It has caused what can best be described as a confused society, and it's the children suffering. It's a buyers market for employees, which has caused wages to plunge. It has benefited only corporations and bankers.
Children are not raised in traditional settings, they're farmed out to child care and being raised by total strangers, who see them as a job at best.
The result of that is all around you, 1/3 of all American children have been diagnosed with some mental disorder and drugged.

I propose that in order to understand what is happening you have to get to the bottom of it, to who id behind all of these agendas.

And that my friend; like it or not is Jews.
It is often argued "it's not all jews that are bad, it's only the zionists".
Nonsense. 99% ARE zionists, and they operate as monolithic group that never assimilates in the host nation and ultimately and invariably act as an organized criminal syndicate.

I offer as proof that jews are neither a religion or a race the following proofs:
A high percentage of jews are atheists, and they have a wide range of religious beliefs. Their race is not firmly defined, they have genetic characteristics passed by mitochondrial DNA. They are mongrels for the most part, not there is anything wrong with that, but as a native american/irish mongrel myself, I believe I am as much "gods chosen" as any self proclaimed chosen-ite.

I also believe it is likely I am just as closely descended from the original Israelites as any jew.

As I have said before, a tree is known by its fruits, and with jews history shows it's all rotten.

Tolerance of jews is the downfall of any society, it is the beginning of the end.

The result is that they take over critical institutions and subvert society.

In our case, they have taken over academia and the mass media, as well as the issuance of funding to the government.

You can argue all day long that this isn't true, but the evidence is overwhelming, and if this is so, it is THEY who are behind and at the bottom of this debate here. They are at the bottom of all of these hoaxes, which have a common theme.



And why, you ask? Why would jews who are intent on ruling the world be interested in defending Apollo?

Well, if it isn't true and people were to become widely aware of it, the pretext for world government would not exist. If we haven't been to other worlds, what is the purpose of a world government? And who would be in control of that government?

The point is it all interrelates, and has a common purpose, to destroy the spiritual link between man and creator introducing a godless society and belief system, a new religion of pseudo scientific atheism, existence without purpose, without any special need for morality, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON WE ARE "DEBATING" HERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT AGENDA!

Take away purpose and morality and the only thing that is left is competition and disunity, and such a people are easily divided one against all others and controlled.

It could be argued that it isn't actually "jews" behind it all, that it is some more well hidden hand using them for the scapegoats.

But the evidence indicates this is not so. 60% or more of the worlds wealth and resources are controlled by a fraction of a percent of humans, and they are jews.

Is this the result of a higher degree of intelligence? Not likely. There are at least 500 times as many "GENTILE" geniuses in the world than jews, indicating it is for some other reason that they are so "successful.

The answer to why can be found by studying prohibition era Chicago, and how 1 man with a few dozen capos managed to control a city of millions. the answer lies there, in how he managed that by operating as a monolithic conspiracy, with tentacles of control over all segments of society, while giving the people what they think they want.

Such a monolithic criminal syndicate can control many with a few, especially if it can control the monetary syatem.
The jews history is replete with instances where they infiltrated societies and empires, and destroyed them.

Unlike you, I don't give the benefit of the doubt where people are concerned if the facts indicate they are a danger to my descendants future.