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Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy

 
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Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy Image

Hungary and its populist nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orban have come into the cross-hairs of Washington’s political elites. His sin? Not buckling under to the often destructive diktats of the Brussels EU Commission; attempting to define a Hungarian national identity. But his cardinal sin is his deepening relationship with Russia and his defiance of Washington in signing an agreement with Gazprom for bringing the Russian South Stream gas pipeline into the EU via Hungary.

Orban has himself undergone a political journey since he was elected as Hungary’s second-youngest Prime Ministers in 1998. Back then he oversaw the entry of Hungary along with Poland and the Czech Republic into NATO over Russia’s protest, and into the EU. As Prime Minister during far more prosperous economic times in the EU, Orban cut taxes, abolished university tuition for qualified students, expanded maternity benefits, and attracted German industry with low-cost Hungarian labor. One of his American “advisers” then was James Denton, linked with the Color Revolution Washington NGO, Freedom House. Orban seemed the darling of Washington’s neo-cons. In 2001 he was given the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute’s Freedom Award.

But in 2010 after six years in the opposition, Orban returned, this time with a resounding majority for his Fidesz-Hungarian Civic Union Party, Fidesz for short. In fact Fidesz won a 68% supermajority in Parliament, giving it the necessary votes to alter the Constitution and pass new laws, which it did. Ironically, in a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the United States Obama Administration and the European Parliament for placing too much power in the hands of Fidesz. Orban was accused by Daniel Cohn-Bendit of the European Greens of making Hungary on the model of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez. He was definitely not playing by the approved Brussels Rulebook for politically submissive EU politicians. Fidesz began to be demonized in EU media as the Hungarian version of United Russia and Orban as the Hungarian Putin. That was in 2012.

Now its getting alarming for the Atlanticists and their EU followers. Orban has defied EU demands to stop construction of Russia’s important South Stream gas pipeline.

Russia’s South Stream gas pipeline would guarantee EU gas together with German-Russian Nord Stream that could bypass the war in Ukraine something Washington bitterly opposes for obvious reasons

Last January Orban’s government announced a € 10 billion deal with the Russian state nuclear energy company to refurbish Hungary’s only nuclear power plant at Paks, originally built during the Soviet era with Russian technology.

That caused some attention in Washington. Similarly when Orban criticized the United States this past summer for failing to ultimately resolve the global financial crisis its banks and its lax regulation caused, and praised China, Turkey and Russia as better models. He declared in words not too different from what I have often used that Western democracies, “will probably be incapable of maintaining their global competitiveness in the upcoming decades and will instead be scaled down unless they are capable of changing themselves significantly.” In addition, Orban’s government managed to free Hungary from decades of devastating IMF bondage. In August 2013, the Hungarian Economic Ministry announced that it had, thanks to a “disciplined budget policy,” repaid the remaining €2.2 billion owed to the IMF. No more onerous IMF-forced state privatizations or conditionalities. The head of the Hungarian Central Bank then demanded the IMF close its offices in Budapest. In addition, echoing Iceland, the State Attorney General brought charges against the country’s three previous prime ministers because of the criminal amount of debt into which they plunged the nation. That’s a precedent that surely causes cold sweat in some capitals of the EU or Washington and Wall Street.

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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
When they pull out of NATO, I might give this some credence.

Until then.

stfu
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
When they pull out of NATO, I might give this some credence.

Until then.

stfu
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you think it's that easy?
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He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
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Which people?

You mean those who like to complain about every single thing?

They had Orbán, they complained, they got Gyurcsány, they complained, now they get Orbán again and they complain.....

If those people didn't like him, then why didn't they go voting for example?

Only half the population voted and out of this half, 60% voted for Fidesz....

So which people are we talking about?
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He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37757297


Which people?

You mean those who like to complain about every single thing?

They had Orbán, they complained, they got Gyurcsány, they complained, now they get Orbán again and they complain.....

If those people didn't like him, then why didn't they go voting for example?

Only half the population voted and out of this half, 60% voted for Fidesz....

So which people are we talking about?
 Quoting: VagyokAkiVagyok


You're outright lying when you say 60% of voters voted for Fidesz. It was 44.54%.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And you know quite well whose complaining. That roughly 70% of the population that didn't vote for them, and are affected by their policies.
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There is no point, not voting and now complaining. Elections are there to change the governments. Whinging is not going to help. Orban seems to be doing something different.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
Out of 199 seats, Orban won 133 which is a 67% parliamentary majority.
OP didn't say 67% voted for Orban or anything.

You are the one who actually lied.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
Out of 199 seats, Orban won 133 which is a 67% parliamentary majority.
OP didn't say 67% voted for Orban or anything.

You are the one who actually lied.
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Okay, point to it where did I lie?
And he did say that 60% of the voters voted for him. It's right there, where I quoted it.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37757297


Which people?

You mean those who like to complain about every single thing?

They had Orbán, they complained, they got Gyurcsány, they complained, now they get Orbán again and they complain.....

If those people didn't like him, then why didn't they go voting for example?

Only half the population voted and out of this half, 60% voted for Fidesz....

So which people are we talking about?
 Quoting: VagyokAkiVagyok


You're outright lying when you say 60% of voters voted for Fidesz. It was 44.54%.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And you know quite well whose complaining. That roughly 70% of the population that didn't vote for them, and are affected by their policies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37757297


Ok sorry, it was 60% of the seats they won then.

But still, MORE THAN HA LF of the population DID NOT vote!!

So wtf are they complaining about?!?!

Out of the 4-5 millions who did vote, more than 2 million voted for Fidesz

So out of 10 million people TWO millions can complain. The other 6 millions should shut the fk up and go vote next time.

All I hear people is complaining and complaining.... No matter what happenes. What do they expect in return?!?

Some people would still complain even if Jesus was their prime minister, ffs!

Besides, who exactly would you want as your PM? That idiot Gyurcsány who could easily play the lead role in The Muppets Show or the great "anti-jew" "Hungarian" Vóna .....errm sorry I mean controlled opposition leader Zazrivecz (great fkn Hungarian name!!!)?!

I didn't vote, I don't care about fine politicians, but at least I'm NOT complainng! What I am seeing though is that this government is at least trying to kick some oligarch butt and I applaud them for this.

THIS is the main subject of this thread, the fact that Orbán is being attacked because he is showing the finger to these fuckers! What his purposes and plans are is another story!

Seeing as you are trying so hard to demonize him makes you in my eyes at least a pawn in the US propaganda machine...not to mention your very good English and the use of word combinations such as "outright lying", which a real Hungarian would hardly know or use.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
Out of 199 seats, Orban won 133 which is a 67% parliamentary majority.
OP didn't say 67% voted for Orban or anything.

You are the one who actually lied.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58955015


I was wrong with the numbers, it was 60% of the seats they won, but it wasn't an "outright lie", like AC is trying to pass it off
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He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
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Well an enemy to 20% of his people and some duals.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37757297


Well an enemy to 20% of his people and some duals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45311654


AC seems to neglect the fact that there were a total of about 2,5 million people who didn't vote for them, but for different other parties.

Out of the remaining 7,5 million, 2,2 voted for them and the rest didn't vote at all.....
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He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37757297


Well an enemy to 20% of his people and some duals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45311654


AC seems to neglect the fact that there were a total of about 2,5 million people who didn't vote for them, but for different other parties.

Out of the remaining 7,5 million, 2,2 voted for them and the rest didn't vote at all.....
 Quoting: VagyokAkiVagyok


Maybe the ones who didn't bother to vote, should have.

Instead of whining out it later.
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Re: Hungary’s Viktor Orban: Washington’s New Enemy
Out of 199 seats, Orban won 133 which is a 67% parliamentary majority.
OP didn't say 67% voted for Orban or anything.

You are the one who actually lied.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58955015


I was wrong with the numbers, it was 60% of the seats they won, but it wasn't an "outright lie", like AC is trying to pass it off
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...oh and one more thing AC seems to be neglecting while trying to call me a liar...

We are talking about 45% on NATIONAL level.

At the local level Fidesz got 90,57% of the mandates!!! So out of 106 voting areas, there was a Fidesz winner in 90 of them!

Now, the thing is that on local level, one mostly votes for a person they know and who proved worthy of one's vote. So if most people in Budapest for example voted for, say, X, that means that X got the trust of the most people who live there. He must have achieved this by taking mostly good decisions that people agree with.

On a national level on the other side, you get to vote for whoever the party nominates. So if you are in the country's west and they nominate someone from the east, you DO NOT know that person, so you either trust your party or your instincts. Except this, on national level, you have the power of the propaganda machine, which is a power nobody should neglect. So if you have a media "icon" who is saying "do not vote for X or Y", most people will not vote for X or Y, but NOT because they think X or Y is bad, but because they trust and idolize that ONE person, that media icon. You cannot do this on local level, because the people actually KNOW X or Y and if you try to "demonize" or "angelize" them, they will tell you to go fk yourself. Now THIS is the important difference here.

So actually, when you are saying that the Hungarian people are not happy with Fidesz, it is you who are "lying', since in 90% of the local voting areas the majority voted for a Fidesz nominee.

get it?
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He's not just Washington's enemy but the enemy of his own people as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37757297


Well an enemy to 20% of his people and some duals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45311654


AC seems to neglect the fact that there were a total of about 2,5 million people who didn't vote for them, but for different other parties.

Out of the remaining 7,5 million, 2,2 voted for them and the rest didn't vote at all.....
 Quoting: VagyokAkiVagyok


Maybe the ones who didn't bother to vote, should have.

Instead of whining out it later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65607047


exactly! but also check out my post above. On a local level, this governing party got 90% of the votes
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