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Philosophers and physicists say we might be living in a computer simulation, but how can we tell? And does it matter?

 
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Our species is not going to last forever. One way or another, humanity will vanish from the Universe, but before it does, it might summon together sufficient computing power to emulate human experience, in all of its rich detail. Some philosophers and physicists have begun to wonder if we’re already there. Maybe we are in a computer simulation, and the reality we experience is just part of the program.

Modern computer technology is extremely sophisticated, and with the advent of quantum computing, it’s likely to become more so. With these more powerful machines, we’ll be able to perform large-scale simulations of more complex physical systems, including, possibly, complete living organisms, maybe even humans. But why stop there?

The idea isn’t as crazy as it sounds. A pair of philosophers recently argued that if we accept the eventual complexity of computer hardware, it’s quite probable we’re already part of an ‘ancestor simulation’, a virtual recreation of humanity’s past. Meanwhile, a trio of nuclear physicists has proposed a way to test this hypothesis, based on the notion that every scientific programme makes simplifying assumptions. If we live in a simulation, the thinking goes, we might be able to use experiments to detect these assumptions.

[link to aeon.co]

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philosophers and physicists smoke too many bongs.
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philosophers and physicists smoke too many bongs.
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They think outside of the box
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seems to be

there are more that one planets with life exactly as it is here.

and how many super earth??9102014
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seems to be

there are more that one planets with life exactly as it is here.

and how many super earth??9102014
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it could be the case that one planetary civilisation is all that can be simulated, without running into computational capacity issues
 Quoting: [link to aeon.co]

"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

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seems to be

there are more that one planets with life exactly as it is here.

and how many super earth??9102014
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it could be the case that one planetary civilisation is all that can be simulated, without running into computational capacity issues
 Quoting: [link to aeon.co]

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this is a current location simulation issue , not system wide.
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philosophers and physicists smoke too many bongs.
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They think outside of the box
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How Is It Outside The Box When Every High Teenager On Earth Has Had This Thought?
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easy........there's always backdoors and cheat codes built in for the developers. Find those and find the proof.
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philosophers and physicists smoke too many bongs.
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They think outside of the box
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How Is It Outside The Box When Every High Teenager On Earth Has Had This Thought?
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Read the article. Then you will understand the difference of what you thought as a teenager and this approach.
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easy........there's always backdoors and cheat codes built in for the developers. Find those and find the proof.
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Like in the Truman show there is an exit door? This might be the reason why all phone boxes have been removed, so we can't escape Matrix like?
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I'm totally convinced we're under the control of a vengeful demigod who is controlling us like a Sim City video game and delights from burning our houses down and cornering off our destinies. I can see it laughing while drinking a rare scotch and smoking an illegal cigar from planet Poptart.
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What matters is not succumbing to the belief that there is only one reality!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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The double slit experiment really makes me question if this is all a simulation, because it makes no sense otherwise. [link to www.youtube.com]

Basically, if unobserved, a single particle can impact a surface in two places at once under a certain circumstance.

But that is impossible, right? Can't be at two places at once yadda yadda. So, people put sensors to record this particle splitting in two - they wanted to watch this single particle do this seemingly impossible and illogical thing.

The problem is, once the sensors are up and you try to watch it do this, the particle will only strike in one place - there's a completely different result if it's observed. Take the sensor away, and it'll hit in two places again.

That would make sense if it was a simulation. A simulation can come out with any result it wants, whether or not it's logical. But it can't come out with an explanation ,or observable model of that illogical thing in the process of happening, in this case, for that illogical result - it can only show the result or output by itself. So when it's called out on that problem by being directly observed, it's forced to revert to the logical.

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What matters is not succumbing to the belief that there is only one reality!
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Still its the only one we have and can experience.
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Well, one thing is for sure, if this really is a coded simulation, the garbage collection sucks big time.
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What matters is not succumbing to the belief that there is only one reality!
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Still its the only one we have and can experience.
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What about when you dream?
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What matters is not succumbing to the belief that there is only one reality!
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Still its the only one we have and can experience.
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What about when you dream?
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I usually dream a lot of weird and bizarre stuff. I actually woke up this night from a dream I had, literally thinking what bullshit my brain is capable to make up. So I would politely decline experiencing more of this. It does not feel like some other reality.
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What matters is not succumbing to the belief that there is only one reality!
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Still its the only one we have and can experience.
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What about when you dream?
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I usually dream a lot of weird and bizarre stuff. I actually woke up this night from a dream I had, literally thinking what bullshit my brain is capable to make up. So I would politely decline experiencing more of this. It does not feel like some other reality.
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For me most of the time not but every now and then it feels all too real, so much so that I am surprised when I wake up!

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que?
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Wait.............I just read the title again ............ And does it matter?

If it's a simulation - No matter! stoned
If it's not a simulation - there's plenty of matter! wall
hmm
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What matters is not succumbing to the belief that there is only one reality!
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Still its the only one we have and can experience.
 Quoting: Face Palmer


What about when you dream?
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I usually dream a lot of weird and bizarre stuff. I actually woke up this night from a dream I had, literally thinking what bullshit my brain is capable to make up. So I would politely decline experiencing more of this. It does not feel like some other reality.
 Quoting: Face Palmer


You should experience sleep paralysis. That will make you sense things you wish you hadn't and they can twist the real world into pretty nightmarish/abstract landscapes. Nothing drug induced just a melding of our subconscious thought and what we perceive as everyday "reality".



Just seems like this "idea" is reaching to be too profound for its own good. Better than political or religious discussion , though.
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Still its the only one we have and can experience.
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What about when you dream?
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I usually dream a lot of weird and bizarre stuff. I actually woke up this night from a dream I had, literally thinking what bullshit my brain is capable to make up. So I would politely decline experiencing more of this. It does not feel like some other reality.
 Quoting: Face Palmer


You should experience sleep paralysis. That will make you sense things you wish you hadn't and they can twist the real world into pretty nightmarish/abstract landscapes. Nothing drug induced just a melding of our subconscious thought and what we perceive as everyday "reality".



Just seems like this "idea" is reaching to be too profound for its own good. Better than political or religious discussion , though.
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I've had SP, OBEs, astral travel, lucid dreams and many other experiences. So far I haven't tried drug induced stuff though! Maybe I should! hmm
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The double slit experiment really makes me question if this is all a simulation, because it makes no sense otherwise. [link to www.youtube.com]

Basically, if unobserved, a single particle can impact a surface in two places at once under a certain circumstance.

But that is impossible, right? Can't be at two places at once yadda yadda. So, people put sensors to record this particle splitting in two - they wanted to watch this single particle do this seemingly impossible and illogical thing.

The problem is, once the sensors are up and you try to watch it do this, the particle will only strike in one place - there's a completely different result if it's observed. Take the sensor away, and it'll hit in two places again.

That would make sense if it was a simulation. A simulation can come out with any result it wants, whether or not it's logical. But it can't come out with an explanation ,or observable model of that illogical thing in the process of happening, in this case, for that illogical result - it can only show the result or output by itself. So when it's called out on that problem by being directly observed, it's forced to revert to the logical.
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Oh wow...
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The double slit experiment really makes me question if this is all a simulation, because it makes no sense otherwise. [link to www.youtube.com]

Basically, if unobserved, a single particle can impact a surface in two places at once under a certain circumstance.

 Quoting: KonspiracyKitty


Exactly one of the discovered glitches in the matrix.
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The double slit experiment really makes me question if this is all a simulation, because it makes no sense otherwise. [link to www.youtube.com]

Basically, if unobserved, a single particle can impact a surface in two places at once under a certain circumstance.

 Quoting: KonspiracyKitty


Exactly one of the discovered glitches in the matrix.
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In the double slit experiment, the act of observing turns the electron to act again like matter, while unobserved, it acts like wave. Now physicists doing the testing were most likely logical being deeply attached to the material or physical consciousness of reality. Therefore, their observing consciousness, even when they use physical sensor device which is the extension of their physical consciousness, produces the similar experience expected by their material consciousness, which is, electron acting as matter.

If the experiment are conducted by ascended masters, I bet they can produce not only material pattern or wave interference pattern, but any pattern they wish.

They say consciousness creates reality. If the physicists really take into consideration the different quality of consciousness, material oriented consciousness and ascended consciousness, then probably they could explain the nature of reality which according to ascended masters is subjective reality.

Next time when they conduct another experiment, they should invite qigong master as a meddling observer. The master will creates lotus flower on the screen.
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deja vu- caught in a loop? - sim glitch?
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Doesn't matter whether you're in a computer simulation. It just means you're mentally within a matrix of information. Same goes for the Super Mario in your Nintendo, except for that it's not self-aware as of yet.

Some ancient people already knew this fact, so they attained nirvana and freed themselves from mental bondage.

Worlds always originate and dissolve in such matrixes. There is no beginning nor ending with causality - aka reality.
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op

i may be wrong here

but i think this is just a justification for and normalizing of the creation of entire virtual reality worlds that to some extent will become a part of our lives to a greater or lesser extent in the coming years

when the philosophers start postulating that we live in a computer simulation and this was the source of the cosmology , then there is a problem

why is it a problem , because it is within the reach of execution by human ingenuity

a false reality perpetrated by the archons (programmers)
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hundreds of modern day religious books, rehashed old religion labeled 'new', already state this. And in these texts, they reason that since we don't really exist, then the wholesale slaughter of undesirables will not be "murder". They state that their utopia can be created by simply sending the avatars back home.,...

This is how easily the minds of men can be swayed into committing genocide. Man does not willingly kill another man. But man can be swayed into willingly killing another man if you can change his perception that it's not a man but an animal. Why bother, as history did, with always swaying one group into perceiving another group as infidels and animals when you can convince the majority of men through the very powerful pull-pit of science falsely called that man is simply a computer simulation?

You underestimate that men are liars, that men can only perceive what is held in their minds as beliefs and that throughout history, genocide has been accomplished by leaders and teachers within a society who cast a belief into the minds of its populations affecting the literally perception and sight of the masses in order to get them to rise up and MURDER those who the very same leaders and teachers want DEAD!

As such, the crowds in Judea were SWAYED to shout release Barabbas and to shout CRUCIFY HIM.
What does SWAYED mean?
Mental persuasion. Did not Jesus tell us that they compass land and sea making their converts TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL?





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