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SCIENCE GUY EXPLAINS HOW IT'S POSSIBLE AN UNDISCOVERED BROWN DWARF STAR CAN EXIST In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

 
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Connect the dots and you will conclude:


we

are

fucked
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And add the WISE dot and the picture says the likelihood of such an object being anywhere in the vicinity of the solar system is ridiculously remote.

"The sensitivity of the WISE spacecraft was such that it could detect a Jupiter-sized planet out to 26,000 Astronomical Units from the Sun (more than a third of a light-year away) and a Saturn-sized planet out to 10,000 A.U. For comparison, Pluto lies at a mean distance of 40 A.U. from the Sun. Yet, it found none."

[link to www.americaspace.com]

You are postulating something much more massive, yet somehow not having any measurable effect on any physical object we can observe.
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You can't use space agencies as a source when OP clearly states a cover-up is needed by space agencies. Congratulations on being retarded.
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Of course I can, as OP showed no *evidence* of such duplicity. The accusation by itself is not enough.

Oh, and ad hominem noted, by the by.
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You can't use space agencies as a source when OP clearly states a cover-up is needed by space agencies. Congratulations on being retarded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46942922

Congratulations on using the poisoning-the-well fallacy.
By your "logic" no one accused of something would be allowed to testify on their own behalf.
Since any one can accuse anybody of something ALL evidence would be eliminated.

You need to impeach the evidence itself.
So what is your EVIDENCE that the WISE data has been faked?
book

OP, did you mention LUCIFER in your first post? It's a binocular infrared telscope in Arizona. The Vatican owns it. Jesuits operate it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186

This is untrue. Why do you spread disinfo?

LUCIFER are two spectrographs used on the Large Binocular Telescope.
[link to abell.as.arizona.edu]
NOT the VAT Scope (Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope), which happens to share a mountain top with the LBT.

Fact checking is a lost art where you live?

Brown dwarfs are quite common, though Science prefers they stay out of public sight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186

[citation needed]

Jupiter and Saturn are probably brown dwarfs with moons about as big as planets.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186

We know the masses of these planets, they are not Brown Dwarfs.

A Perturber dwarf may be responsible for changes in our solar system,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186

A perturber dwarf would have perturbed the orbits of the known planets. That's what perturber means.
This is how we KNOW there isn't such a thing.
Planets not being where they are supposed to be would get noticed by many millions of amateur astronomers.

including that climate change chimera
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186

Sure, make up shit to explain something which already has a perfectly good explanation.
(And was already predicted in the 19th century.)

Isis, a galactic superwave has awakened but poses no immediate risk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186

LOL.

And THAT you believe?
book


Explain this please.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Bad journalism requires an explanation?
The MSM is a really bad place to get your science information.

It's prolly about the Nemesis hypothesis, which has no relevance to any claims about celestial objects that are dangerous to us.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
Particularly the Magical Mystery Planet of Doom™ called Nibiru.
book
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agent Keep downplaying it.

agent I'm on it.
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Connect the dots and you will conclude:


we

are

fucked
 Quoting: mallev 5611335




And add the WISE dot and the picture says the likelihood of such an object being anywhere in the vicinity of the solar system is ridiculously remote.

"The sensitivity of the WISE spacecraft was such that it could detect a Jupiter-sized planet out to 26,000 Astronomical Units from the Sun (more than a third of a light-year away) and a Saturn-sized planet out to 10,000 A.U. For comparison, Pluto lies at a mean distance of 40 A.U. from the Sun. Yet, it found none."

[link to www.americaspace.com]

You are postulating something much more massive, yet somehow not having any measurable effect on any physical object we can observe.
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You can't use space agencies as a source when OP clearly states a cover-up is needed by space agencies. Congratulations on being retarded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46942922


Of course I can, as OP showed no *evidence* of such duplicity. The accusation by itself is not enough.

Oh, and ad hominem noted, by the by.
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Thread title clearly says "HOW IT'S POSSIBLE"

Please check yourself back into kindergarten so you can learn to read.
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Thread title clearly says "HOW IT'S POSSIBLE"

Please check yourself back into kindergarten so you can learn to read.
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OP's claims have been debunked.

The ball is back in the corner of those that claim it is possible.
Please avoid pseudo-science and woo-mongering this time.
book
Reaching for the sky makes you taller.

Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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Assuming Nibiru is now further than Pluto, then from the earth's surface the only way to prove Nibiru's existence with a telescope would be a stellar occultation.
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Bullshit

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

And btw: You forgot the WISE survey in you list of "infrared observatories in space"

.
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Why do you say those anomalies are on Google Sky and Microsoft Telescope? How do you explain them?
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Neither Google Sky nor MS WWT are the primary source for any of the sky survey data. They are secondary sources, with much lower quality and gaps and artifacts not present in the actual original images. Serious researchers do not use those programs for the purpose of getting at sky survey data, and anyone who goes "anomaly hunting" on google sky is automatically making a fatal mistake right from the start. In the case of IRAS data google uses a reprocessing of the data which deliberately omits a double exposure of Saturn in the original all-sky survey as well as trying to limit the glare from the carbon star CW Leonis. The original data does not contain these alterations and has been available for much longer than google sky itself.
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Shills can go die a painful death in pig shit
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And non-arguments like this are going to sway the peanut gallery how?
You really are a moran if you believe that to be possible.
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Such attempts to incite violence will only produce one outcome; permanent removal from this website. It's that simple. I'm not a "shill" and I will not tolerate attempts to incite violence.

It really speaks volumes that when confronted with evidence I've previously posted you have to resort to underhanded tactics such as poisoning the well rather than actually addressing the evidence. It shows that your argument is hollow and without support, so you have no other choice but to try to attack those who debunk you, even to the point of trying to incite violence against them. That will not fly here, your ass WILL be shown the door.
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Here's an interesting article about the Lucifer telescope.
Lucifer is an acronym for the device that the Vatican uses in conjunction with other agencies. Lucifer was the light-bringer who was later referred to as the devil.

[link to cuthelain.wordpress.com (secure)]


And then there is that LUCIFER device at Mt. Graham, which the Vatican denies being connected to but they naturally would.. . mention can be found from various sources. LUCIFER is curiously described on the Vatican Observatory website as “NASA AND THE VATICAN’S INFRARED TELESCOPE CALLED [LUCIFER]—A German built, NASA and The Vatican owned and funded Infrared Telescope… for looking at NIBIRU/NEMESIS.”

And this,
[link to scribol.com]

Let’s return to our solar system, where Nemesis is a brown dwarf that is predicted but not confirmed, to orbit our sun. Unless… Although lighter and less dense than typical brown dwarfs, Jupiter and Saturn have sometimes been considered stillborn stars and in some ways fit the definition of a brown dwarf. Both of these ‘giant planets’ emit more heat than they absorb. (Neptune does also.) Following this line of thought, our solar system would contain not only planets orbiting their star, but two brown dwarfs in such orbits as well. The many satellites of Jupiter and Saturn would then be called planets. Thereby re-classified, Jupiter and Saturn would be ‘brown dwarfs’ that have their own solar systems, and in turn be said to orbit a star called the ‘Sun’.
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LUCIFER is curiously described on the Vatican Observatory website as “NASA AND THE VATICAN’S INFRARED TELESCOPE CALLED [LUCIFER]—A German built, NASA and The Vatican owned and funded Infrared Telescope… for looking at NIBIRU/NEMESIS.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64850186


No, it is not. You are lying. Here's what they actually say:
"This calumny claims that the Vatican astronomers named some instrument or telescope "Lucifer".

It is fairly clearly a typical case of degradation of information. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican Observatory is a member of the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO) consortium, together with a number of other institutions from Europe and the USA. The MGIO comprises a large number of stake holders, most of whom have nothing to do with the Vatican Observatory or its telescope.

How does this work? It is quite similar to share holders in a company. Supposing you had a six percent share in a company, while Mr XYZ had a four percent share. What could you do if Mr XYZ decided to name his pet hamster "Demon"? "
[link to vaticanobservatory.org]

LUCIFER was an infrared camera on the Large Binocular Telescope. It was not named or owned by the Vatican, the Vatican's telescope is called the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, or VATT. They are simply located on the same mountain and are part of the same observatory services group, MGIO, which provides logistics and support for the observatories located on Mt. Graham.
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It's unfortunate that people associate Lucifer with the devil, an evil supernatural being in whom I do not believe. The first quote in my previous post was in fact copied and pasted from the Cuthelain link, which included a quotation by Vatican astronomer, Guy Consolmagno, as well as a reference to Nibiru/Nemesis.
[link to cuthelain.wordpress.com (secure)]

I did check the Vatican Observatory's site before writing that earlier post. Their site provided little information but issued an invitation to "join us for a lecture" on the topic "Would You Baptize an Extraterrestrial?"
[link to www.vaticanobservatory.org]

The Pope and the Catholic are upfront talking about ETs. I do not disparage them for their honesty or interest in objects in the infrared range, which would include brown dwarfs. It's a shame they have to distance themselves from Lucifer, who was possibly a king of Babylon, called the morning star and associated with the planet Venus.
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It's unfortunate that people associate Lucifer with the devil, an evil supernatural being in whom I do not believe. The first quote in my previous post was in fact copied and pasted from the Cuthelain link, which included a quotation by Vatican astronomer, Guy Consolmagno, as well as a reference to Nibiru/Nemesis.
[link to cuthelain.wordpress.com (secure)]

I did check the Vatican Observatory's site before writing that earlier post. Their site provided little information but issued an invitation to "join us for a lecture" on the topic "Would You Baptize an Extraterrestrial?"
[link to www.vaticanobservatory.org]

The Pope and the Catholic are upfront talking about ETs. I do not disparage them for their honesty or interest in objects in the infrared range, which would include brown dwarfs. It's a shame they have to distance themselves from Lucifer, who was possibly a king of Babylon, called the morning star and associated with the planet Venus.
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they are hardly extra terrestrials in truth however

they are naught but fallen angels, brute beasts without the love of truth within them

who will arrive at the 6th Trumpet along with the Destroyer himself, Death, lucifer being his given name, the son of perdition, the abomination of desolation, however the world will welcome him with open arms as the returning Christ, their savior and messiah at that 6th Trumpet

the list of his names and identifiers are far too long to attempt to list at this point herein

the serpent being among them...

he who will deceive the whole world save for those whose names are written in The Book of Life

which is a telling small number in truth, all things considered at this late date...

tick tock
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And add the WISE dot and the picture says the likelihood of such an object being anywhere in the vicinity of the solar system is ridiculously remote.

"The sensitivity of the WISE spacecraft was such that it could detect a Jupiter-sized planet out to 26,000 Astronomical Units from the Sun (more than a third of a light-year away) and a Saturn-sized planet out to 10,000 A.U. For comparison, Pluto lies at a mean distance of 40 A.U. from the Sun. Yet, it found none."

[link to www.americaspace.com]

You are postulating something much more massive, yet somehow not having any measurable effect on any physical object we can observe.
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You can't use space agencies as a source when OP clearly states a cover-up is needed by space agencies. Congratulations on being retarded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46942922


Of course I can, as OP showed no *evidence* of such duplicity. The accusation by itself is not enough.

Oh, and ad hominem noted, by the by.
 Quoting: 74444


Thread title clearly says "HOW IT'S POSSIBLE"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46466813


And the WISE data shows "HOW IT'S NOT"

Please check yourself back into kindergarten so you can learn to read.
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Ad hominem noted.
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Thread title clearly says "HOW IT'S POSSIBLE"

Please check yourself back into kindergarten so you can learn to read.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46466813

OP's claims have been debunked.

The ball is back in the corner of those that claim it is possible.
Please avoid pseudo-science and woo-mongering this time.
book
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Liar

shill
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Thread title clearly says "HOW IT'S POSSIBLE"

Please check yourself back into kindergarten so you can learn to read.
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OP's claims have been debunked.

The ball is back in the corner of those that claim it is possible.
Please avoid pseudo-science and woo-mongering this time.
book
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Liar

shill
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Sigh. Ad hominems remain all you have.
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Thread title clearly says "HOW IT'S POSSIBLE"

Please check yourself back into kindergarten so you can learn to read.
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OP's claims have been debunked.

The ball is back in the corner of those that claim it is possible.
Please avoid pseudo-science and woo-mongering this time.
book
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Liar

shill
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Sigh. Ad hominems remain all you have.
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OP's claims have been debunked.

The ball is back in the corner of those that claim it is possible.
Please avoid pseudo-science and woo-mongering this time.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Liar

shill
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Sigh. Ad hominems remain all you have.
 Quoting: 74444


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Apparently can't even link to an insult correctly.

Sad.
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[link to www.news.com.au]
It has been said that there is more to the truth than just the facts and you can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

F.E.A.R...False Evidence Appearing Real.. Designed to keep you in place an thats exactly what it will do if you let it.

Great things are done by a series of small things brought together.
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I want it to be a giant friendly space raccoon. Reality need not apply.
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Apparently can't even link to an insult correctly.

Sad.
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Link's not there anymore tard ass

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Neither Google Sky nor MS WWT are the primary source for any of the sky survey data. They are secondary sources, with much lower quality and gaps and artifacts not present in the actual original images. Serious researchers do not use those programs for the purpose of getting at sky survey data, and anyone who goes "anomaly hunting" on google sky is automatically making a fatal mistake right from the start. In the case of IRAS data google uses a reprocessing of the data which deliberately omits a double exposure of Saturn in the original all-sky survey as well as trying to limit the glare from the carbon star CW Leonis. The original data does not contain these alterations and has been available for much longer than google sky itself.
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No shit Sherlock
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