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Even Finland thinks Russia is weak, still fears aggression.

 
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[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

The Washington Post: We've seen in the past few months various instances of what seems to be provocative behavior by Russia. You've experienced that here in Finland. I’m wondering what you think Russia’s objective is.

Niinisto: Well, first we have this catastrophe in the Ukraine. But alongside that catastrophe there’s a lot of tension between Russia and the West. And what we have seen now, in the Baltic Sea area, is surely a [result] of these kind of increased tensions internationally.We have had five violations of our airspace during the summer.

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WP: The E.U. sanctions that Finland is a part of, and Russian counter-sanctions, are they having an impact on the Finnish economy?

SN: The sanctions themselves and the counter-sanctions, if you just look at what impact they have had, it surely isn’t a very big one. But the sanctions mean that the business environment gets cautious. That has meant a weakening ruble. That has meant weakening GDP [for Russia]. That has meant the purchasing power of ordinary people has been eroded, and that has meant something for Finnish exports and not as many Russian tourists coming to do their weekly shopping in Finland.

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WP: But obviously across Europe, we’ve seen an increase in these sorts of incidents. What message is Russia trying to send?

ET: Generally, of course, it’s sending a message of power politics, that they have military powers, that they have nuclear weapons, but even then you have to recognize that Russian military power today, even with their far-reaching powers, is far from what was the case in Soviet times.

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So even Finland recognizes it.

Hilarious.

Russia is even saber rattling at Finland of all countries. The death throughs of a troubled country. If your here to support Russia and your not Russian, give up your passport and head over to the consultate.

CAN'T GO TO FINALND FOR GOOD GROCERIES THOUGH.
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AWWW. its monty python "Finland".
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Is a funny one and other versions are available. Just not that one.
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Did you know in terms of Christianity Finland is part of the Northern European Communion of Churches..

That Communion of Churches was founded in Finland known as the Porvoo Communion...

What is striking is that Union of Churches mirrors the Northern Alliance, referred in a number of leaks as a Northern NATO..

and as a group that Alliance is ramping up their efforts to counter Russia, recently there was an agreement to create a division sized rapid reaction force.. a force that will operate with the EU/NATO/UN but also more importantly operate outside of those frameworks and able to respond to what the group sees as a threat.

The group is also an economic block known as "The Northern Future" which is not exactly seen as pro-EU, more a group of reformers rather than an anti-EU grouping, ( all the Leaders of the group have just met in Helsinki) which mirrors back to the version of Christianity they follow. (Lutheran, Episcopal and Anglican)

The group seems quite solid in it's stance, but it is quite interesting to see how quickly they have closed ranks to face Russia..

I think the fact that they are cooperating on so many different levels (military/economic) outside of NATO and EU does not bode well given that alliances like this only form when the risk of real conflict is knocking at the door..
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Did you know in terms of Christianity Finland is part of the Northern European Communion of Churches..

That Communion of Churches was founded in Finland known as the Porvoo Communion...

What is striking is that Union of Churches mirrors the Northern Alliance, referred in a number of leaks as a Northern NATO..

and as a group that Alliance is ramping up their efforts to counter Russia, recently there was an agreement to create a division sized rapid reaction force.. a force that will operate with the EU/NATO/UN but also more importantly operate outside of those frameworks and able to respond to what the group sees as a threat.

The group is also an economic block known as "The Northern Future" which is not exactly seen as pro-EU, more a group of reformers rather than an anti-EU grouping, ( all the Leaders of the group have just met in Helsinki) which mirrors back to the version of Christianity they follow. (Lutheran, Episcopal and Anglican)

The group seems quite solid in it's stance, but it is quite interesting to see how quickly they have closed ranks to face Russia..

I think the fact that they are cooperating on so many different levels (military/economic) outside of NATO and EU does not bode well given that alliances like this only form when the risk of real conflict is knocking at the door..
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Link or BS.

As for NATO, read the link. This Russian aggression may push Finland to join NATO.
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Did you know in terms of Christianity Finland is part of the Northern European Communion of Churches..

That Communion of Churches was founded in Finland known as the Porvoo Communion...

What is striking is that Union of Churches mirrors the Northern Alliance, referred in a number of leaks as a Northern NATO..

and as a group that Alliance is ramping up their efforts to counter Russia, recently there was an agreement to create a division sized rapid reaction force.. a force that will operate with the EU/NATO/UN but also more importantly operate outside of those frameworks and able to respond to what the group sees as a threat.

The group is also an economic block known as "The Northern Future" which is not exactly seen as pro-EU, more a group of reformers rather than an anti-EU grouping, ( all the Leaders of the group have just met in Helsinki) which mirrors back to the version of Christianity they follow. (Lutheran, Episcopal and Anglican)

The group seems quite solid in it's stance, but it is quite interesting to see how quickly they have closed ranks to face Russia..

I think the fact that they are cooperating on so many different levels (military/economic) outside of NATO and EU does not bode well given that alliances like this only form when the risk of real conflict is knocking at the door..
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Link or BS.

As for NATO, read the link. This Russian aggression may push Finland to join NATO.
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Which link would you like?

leak regarding Northern Nato.. the use of the term Nato just means alliance of countries rather than the real Nato, as this Northern Nato includes non Nato countries.

From Russia..
Northern NATO: tracking Polar bears and Russians
[link to sputniknews.com]

In terms of Christianity we have the Porvoo Communion of Churches.
The agreement was negotiated in the town of Järvenpää in Finland, but the Communion's name comes from the city of Porvoo where there was a joint celebration of Holy Communion after the formal signing in Järvenpää.
[link to www.porvoocommunion.org]

The Northern Future: the NFF 2014 was held on 6th-7th Nov in Helsinki, the next will be held in Iceland.
[link to nff2014.government.fi]

extract
"The NFF 2014 event will be held on 6-7 November in Helsinki. The prime ministers of the UK, the Nordic countries and the Baltic states will convene with the aim of sharing ideas and finding new ways of tackling the common challenges encountered in the modern northern European economies."

In terms of Military, there are still some obstacles to over come but it is shaping up as per the leaks..

Nato to create high-readiness force to counter Russian threat
[link to www.theguardian.com]

So while we got the news that the UK etc would be helping create a 4,000 strong NATO rapid reaction force under that was the secondary news that a new 10,000 strong division sized force would be created in Northern Europe, which the media misinterpreted as a NATO force which it is not.

you'll find these words/phrasing buried in some articles..

"A Nato spokeswoman said the spearhead force is completely separate from a 10,000-strong British-led joint expeditionary force that is also being proposed. The spearhead group is a purely Nato concept whereas the British expeditionary force, which would be made up of troops from seven nations, could operate with the European Union and other multilateral organisations. The British plan would also have a wider remit, engaged in peacekeeping as well as crisis management."
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I hope you understand that I have been watching this relationship form and break for a while as I find it deeply interesting..

We have gone from the UK and Finland nearing a deal to link Russia/Rolls Royce/Finland to building Nuclear reactors in the UK, which would have certainly changed the dynamics in relations to Irans nuclear reactors.

And close to comments from earlier this year where Russian officials hope in the near future to see British soldiers use Russian made weapons on the battle field to this one of bumping heads...

Quite the amazing change really... but so is how the close the Northern states have become, to the point that they are almost forming their own block..

Which should interest everyone if the EU is on the rocks as this new military force is set to operate outside the framework of the EU/NATO/UN on a much wider remit.

The comments run along the lines of them being able to operate as a force, hence the title expeditionary force away from home... so this is more than just a defence force..

I find the whole situation quite amazing really...

You can see the shift on many levels...
Fortum axes French and Germans from nuclear project to hire Rolls-Royce
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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Re: Even Finland thinks Russia is weak, still fears aggression.
Complete bullshit.

The anti-Russian propaganda been stirred by MSM over here,
ever since Bush left office and Obama/Soetero/Bounel/what-
ever that guy's name is took over, and the anti-U.S. ditto
suddenly disappeared.

So the push for us to become NATO members has been in the
works a long time. The propaganda thicker and stupider than
ever. "Airspace violations"...seem to happen when needed.
(Finland signed the military Open Skies Treaty in 2002
something. Strange, how the MSM completely forgot about that
one...)

Non-alliance and sovereignty is central and heart-felt
concepts among Us, the People. Traitors in office - including
big bankers' lapdog Sauli Niinistö same NWO lackeys as
everywhere.


peace
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Re: Even Finland thinks Russia is weak, still fears aggression.
Complete bullshit.

The anti-Russian propaganda been stirred by MSM over here,
ever since Bush left office and Obama/Soetero/Bounel/what-
ever that guy's name is took over, and the anti-U.S. ditto
suddenly disappeared.

So the push for us to become NATO members has been in the
works a long time. The propaganda thicker and stupider than
ever. "Airspace violations"...seem to happen when needed.
(Finland signed the military Open Skies Treaty in 2002
something. Strange, how the MSM completely forgot about that
one...)

Non-alliance and sovereignty is central and heart-felt
concepts among Us, the People. Traitors in office - including
big bankers' lapdog Sauli Niinistö same NWO lackeys as
everywhere.


peace
 Quoting: Accidental Stoner 65185836


I don't think Finland will become a member of Nato I think this is what the Nordic plan is set to avoid.. I am sure there is an interesting reason behind it...

I do find it fascinating how this Northern Alliance has grown and solidified over the last few years..
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MSM and reality are two different things. The swamp is being drained by default if anything else. No super power military wants any part of WW III.
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Even a weakling runt can still kill the unwary

its not that complicated to understand
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Re: Even Finland thinks Russia is weak, still fears aggression.
Complete bullshit.

The anti-Russian propaganda been stirred by MSM over here,
ever since Bush left office and Obama/Soetero/Bounel/what-
ever that guy's name is took over, and the anti-U.S. ditto
suddenly disappeared.

So the push for us to become NATO members has been in the
works a long time. The propaganda thicker and stupider than
ever. "Airspace violations"...seem to happen when needed.
(Finland signed the military Open Skies Treaty in 2002
something. Strange, how the MSM completely forgot about that
one...)

Non-alliance and sovereignty is central and heart-felt
concepts among Us, the People. Traitors in office - including
big bankers' lapdog Sauli Niinistö same NWO lackeys as
everywhere.


peace
 Quoting: Accidental Stoner 65185836


Think what you want.
Putin wants what you have as have his forbesrers.
You dance your dance pretending its not Russia playing the tune.
How many Finns died from Russian bullets and artillery and how many from the west?
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The same Putin attacking Ukraine against treaty for Russian "security" shares a border with Finland where Finn can from Helsinki see Russias St Petersburg.
Do you think Putin will leave this vulnerability unmended for long?
A peaceful man does not build an invasion force using his last kopek while letting his own home fall to ruin and not intend to use it nor will he tolerate anyone no matter how peaceful or benign to control the frontier at his flanks or rear.

All necessarily preconditions for an invasion have been met save the propaganda to prevent any effective resistance.
This time 30 tanks in the wood will not stop 5000 coming in over the lake.
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No, offence, but Finland is internationally inconsequential and mother Russia wont be losing any sleep about Finland's opinions.
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With the unification of first Berlin and then Germany as a whole, the Soviet Union and its president Mikhail Gorbachev were assured that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization would not expand eastward toward their border. Gorbachev insists that in 1990 U.S. Secretary of State James Baker told him “Look, if you remove your troops and allow unification of Germany in NATO, NATO will not expand one inch to the east.”

Ronald Regan formalized this in the Start 1 treaty with Russia.

Not only was the former East Germany absorbed into NATO but over the past ten years every other Soviet ally in the Warsaw Pact has become a full member of the bloc – Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia.

Who broke the treaty,and the peace again?
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With the unification of first Berlin and then Germany as a whole, the Soviet Union and its president Mikhail Gorbachev were assured that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization would not expand eastward toward their border. Gorbachev insists that in 1990 U.S. Secretary of State James Baker told him “Look, if you remove your troops and allow unification of Germany in NATO, NATO will not expand one inch to the east.”

Ronald Regan formalized this in the Start 1 treaty with Russia.

Not only was the former East Germany absorbed into NATO but over the past ten years every other Soviet ally in the Warsaw Pact has become a full member of the bloc – Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia.

Who broke the treaty,and the peace again?
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The Russian governemtn when they collapsed that first time. How do you keep a promise with something that doesn't exsist?
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Re: Even Finland thinks Russia is weak, still fears aggression.
Did you know in terms of Christianity Finland is part of the Northern European Communion of Churches..

That Communion of Churches was founded in Finland known as the Porvoo Communion...

What is striking is that Union of Churches mirrors the Northern Alliance, referred in a number of leaks as a Northern NATO..

and as a group that Alliance is ramping up their efforts to counter Russia, recently there was an agreement to create a division sized rapid reaction force.. a force that will operate with the EU/NATO/UN but also more importantly operate outside of those frameworks and able to respond to what the group sees as a threat.

The group is also an economic block known as "The Northern Future" which is not exactly seen as pro-EU, more a group of reformers rather than an anti-EU grouping, ( all the Leaders of the group have just met in Helsinki) which mirrors back to the version of Christianity they follow. (Lutheran, Episcopal and Anglican)

The group seems quite solid in it's stance, but it is quite interesting to see how quickly they have closed ranks to face Russia..

I think the fact that they are cooperating on so many different levels (military/economic) outside of NATO and EU does not bode well given that alliances like this only form when the risk of real conflict is knocking at the door..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31883100


Link or BS.

As for NATO, read the link. This Russian aggression may push Finland to join NATO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40471732


Which link would you like?

leak regarding Northern Nato.. the use of the term Nato just means alliance of countries rather than the real Nato, as this Northern Nato includes non Nato countries.

From Russia..
Northern NATO: tracking Polar bears and Russians
[link to sputniknews.com]

In terms of Christianity we have the Porvoo Communion of Churches.
The agreement was negotiated in the town of Järvenpää in Finland, but the Communion's name comes from the city of Porvoo where there was a joint celebration of Holy Communion after the formal signing in Järvenpää.
[link to www.porvoocommunion.org]

The Northern Future: the NFF 2014 was held on 6th-7th Nov in Helsinki, the next will be held in Iceland.
[link to nff2014.government.fi]

extract
"The NFF 2014 event will be held on 6-7 November in Helsinki. The prime ministers of the UK, the Nordic countries and the Baltic states will convene with the aim of sharing ideas and finding new ways of tackling the common challenges encountered in the modern northern European economies."

In terms of Military, there are still some obstacles to over come but it is shaping up as per the leaks..

Nato to create high-readiness force to counter Russian threat
[link to www.theguardian.com]

So while we got the news that the UK etc would be helping create a 4,000 strong NATO rapid reaction force under that was the secondary news that a new 10,000 strong division sized force would be created in Northern Europe, which the media misinterpreted as a NATO force which it is not.

you'll find these words/phrasing buried in some articles..

"A Nato spokeswoman said the spearhead force is completely separate from a 10,000-strong British-led joint expeditionary force that is also being proposed. The spearhead group is a purely Nato concept whereas the British expeditionary force, which would be made up of troops from seven nations, could operate with the European Union and other multilateral organisations. The British plan would also have a wider remit, engaged in peacekeeping as well as crisis management."
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You cited Suptnik news. Your an automatic Russian Shill.
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No, offence, but Finland is internationally inconsequential and mother Russia wont be losing any sleep about Finland's opinions.
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Tell that to the folks that can't get food across the border in Russia.
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Complete bullshit.

The anti-Russian propaganda been stirred by MSM over here,
ever since Bush left office and Obama/Soetero/Bounel/what-
ever that guy's name is took over, and the anti-U.S. ditto
suddenly disappeared.

So the push for us to become NATO members has been in the
works a long time. The propaganda thicker and stupider than
ever. "Airspace violations"...seem to happen when needed.
(Finland signed the military Open Skies Treaty in 2002
something. Strange, how the MSM completely forgot about that
one...)

Non-alliance and sovereignty is central and heart-felt
concepts among Us, the People. Traitors in office - including
big bankers' lapdog Sauli Niinistö same NWO lackeys as
everywhere.


peace
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It's your PM and Foriegn Minister dude saying it, LOL:
-GLP-Christian-

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Well Finlands new leader is a Bilderberg clown that will destroy that country given the chance, of course he says some idiotic like that because Bilderbergs wants war with Russia but for some reason they're afraid to attack them, probably some stupid karma reason.

That new Bilderberg leader already raised immigration levels with 30% in Finland.

Russia will not need to attack Finland, that Bilderberg leader will do the job for them by turning that nation into a somalian desert.
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Bullshit lies and propaganda..
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Bullshit lies and propaganda..
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It's coming for your country's leaders... LOL.

Support your country already.
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bump
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No more Russia tards?





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