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"Their Sky Has Changed!" Inuit elders sharing information with NASA regarding Earth's "WOBBLE" | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58165581  United States12/05/2014 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The elders maintain the Sun doesn't rise were it used too, they have longer day light to hunt and the Sun is higher than it used to be and warms up quicker than before. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50331153 The elders who were interviewed across the north all said the same thing, their sky has changed. The stars the Sun and the Moon have all changed affecting the temperature, even affecting the way the wind blows, it is becoming increasingly hard to predict the weather, something that is a must on the Arctic. The elders all agree, they believe the Earth has shifted, wobbled or tilted to the North. Zacharius Kunuk has literally been e-mailing NASA with information from the elders regarding changes in the sky and the position of the Earth on its axis.... Full story [link to www.thebigwobble.org] do you have another link besides the big wobble? if so i would like to see it. No there is a film but its not youtube Here is the film [link to www.isuma.tv] very cool, thank you for sharing!  |
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Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator  User ID: 6966031 United States12/05/2014 04:23 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Then explain why my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? Prove to me what you said is true. You have said the burden of proof is on the poster. Prove to me that "my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? :runningman: I took that photograph just a couple weeks ago, polar aligning off of polaris using the iterative method. The burden of proof is on you to show that polaris is NOT where it should be visually. Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? doesn't iterative polar aligning mean pointing (centering) the scope on two seperate stars, one usually Polaris, and then from that centering, you can then say...that's the coordinates for Polaris...and 'then' use that point as reference to search for other coordinates? So if the earth had theoretically tilted slowly over a period of a few years...of course the stars haven't moved...but would a wobble even be detectible if you ever moved the scope and re-aligned? Wouldn't you have to align for polaris and never adjust the scope, checking and plotting it over a few yearly intervals to make sure the star perfectly alligns on the same date each year to detect a slow, slight tilt of the earth? If I used drift alignment then you'd have a point, sort of, but that's not what I do. Iterative alignment requires that Polaris be located where the telescope expects it to be. You move the mount and then align the computer while hopping between Polaris and another star of your choosing, repeating in iterations and cutting alignment error in half until it becomes negligible. This method is sensitive to pole shift nonsense claims regardless of the date or how frequently you do it. If Polaris is no longer where it should be to an extent visible by naked eye as claimed by the Inuit et al, then it simply won't work. At best you'll iterate out what you think is the error but then it still won't track properly and you'll have field rotation in long exposures even if you autoguide perfectly. I can do series of shots that go for hours like in the above photo with 0 field rotation. That's impossible if such a shift occurs unless I use the drift align method post-shift. Last Edited by Astromut on 12/05/2014 04:23 AM  |
| Dace User ID: 946436  Puerto Rico12/05/2014 04:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3737615 Prove to me what you said is true. You have said the burden of proof is on the poster. Prove to me that "my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? :runningman: I took that photograph just a couple weeks ago, polar aligning off of polaris using the iterative method. The burden of proof is on you to show that polaris is NOT where it should be visually. Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? doesn't iterative polar aligning mean pointing (centering) the scope on two seperate stars, one usually Polaris, and then from that centering, you can then say...that's the coordinates for Polaris...and 'then' use that point as reference to search for other coordinates? So if the earth had theoretically tilted slowly over a period of a few years...of course the stars haven't moved...but would a wobble even be detectible if you ever moved the scope and re-aligned? Wouldn't you have to align for polaris and never adjust the scope, checking and plotting it over a few yearly intervals to make sure the star perfectly alligns on the same date each year to detect a slow, slight tilt of the earth? If I used drift alignment then you'd have a point, sort of, but that's not what I do. Iterative alignment requires that Polaris be located where the telescope expects it to be. You move the mount and then align the computer while hopping between Polaris and another star of your choosing, repeating in iterations and cutting alignment error in half until it becomes negligible. This method is sensitive to pole shift nonsense claims regardless of the date or how frequently you do it. If Polaris is no longer where it should be to an extent visible by naked eye as claimed by the Inuit et al, then it simply won't work. At best you'll iterate out what you think is the error but then it still won't track properly and you'll have field rotation in long exposures even if you autoguide perfectly. I can do series of shots that go for hours like in the above photo with 0 field rotation. That's impossible if such a shift occurs unless I use the drift align method post-shift.  |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 6966031 United States12/05/2014 04:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Then explain why my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? because this wobble has no impact on your visual observation of the sky. The official chart from the link proves theres a minor wobble does it not? Several days of the year were over two minutes longer than they should have been, and a couple were shorter. A wobble large enough to see effects in the rising/setting of the sun visually would have a very serious impact on my telescopic observations. The polar alignment, which you are ignorant of, is more sensitive to misalignment than the human eye is. Chandler wobble is only a fraction of an arcsecond in size as I already pointed out. It is physically impossible to see that, even with my telescope. Okay say the polar alignment, which is the axis of rotation, has not changed at all, but instead the plates, which underly the continents, are shifting independantly from the mantle, as suggested might be possible by Charles Hapgood and Einstein. Could this not change the location where the sun rises and sets? Tectonic plates do move, but not to an extent that matters. You can monitor your latitude by measuring the height of polaris over the horizon. I do it all the time, especially when I travel. It's fun and easy. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65777540 United States12/05/2014 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3737615 Prove to me what you said is true. You have said the burden of proof is on the poster. Prove to me that "my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? :runningman: I took that photograph just a couple weeks ago, polar aligning off of polaris using the iterative method. The burden of proof is on you to show that polaris is NOT where it should be visually. Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? doesn't iterative polar aligning mean pointing (centering) the scope on two seperate stars, one usually Polaris, and then from that centering, you can then say...that's the coordinates for Polaris...and 'then' use that point as reference to search for other coordinates? So if the earth had theoretically tilted slowly over a period of a few years...of course the stars haven't moved...but would a wobble even be detectible if you ever moved the scope and re-aligned? Wouldn't you have to align for polaris and never adjust the scope, checking and plotting it over a few yearly intervals to make sure the star perfectly alligns on the same date each year to detect a slow, slight tilt of the earth? If I used drift alignment then you'd have a point, sort of, but that's not what I do. Iterative alignment requires that Polaris be located where the telescope expects it to be. You move the mount and then align the computer while hopping between Polaris and another star of your choosing, repeating in iterations and cutting alignment error in half until it becomes negligible. This method is sensitive to pole shift nonsense claims regardless of the date or how frequently you do it. If Polaris is no longer where it should be to an extent visible by naked eye as claimed by the Inuit et al, then it simply won't work. At best you'll iterate out what you think is the error but then it still won't track properly and you'll have field rotation in long exposures even if you autoguide perfectly. I can do series of shots that go for hours like in the above photo with 0 field rotation. That's impossible if such a shift occurs unless I use the drift align method post-shift. ^^^THAT^^^ |
| Hydra User ID: 65753839  Germany12/05/2014 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Then explain why my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? Prove to me what you said is true. You have said the burden of proof is on the poster. Prove to me that "my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? :runningman: I took that photograph just a couple weeks ago, polar aligning off of polaris using the iterative method. The burden of proof is on you to show that polaris is NOT where it should be visually. Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? ... How about this one: :bergrefra: The Great Refractor, Hamburg Bergedorf Observatory, taken into operation 100 years ago (1914). Not computerized, just motor drives to compensate for Earth rotation. No way to make major adjustments to compensate an extraordinary shift of Earth rotational axis. Still in use for astrometric measurements. And there are thousands of telescopes like this still in operation around the world. . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
| VagyokAkiVagyok User ID: 44082262 Austria12/05/2014 05:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I'd believe these guys over NASA, MSM and GLP shills any day of the week. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65659993 Then explain why my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? I for one have more trust in wise people who have nothing to gain out of such statements over "government people" who are following an agenda or a script. Besides, 400 years ago "scientists" were willing to kill anyone who said that the Earth was revolving around the Sun :)))) From my point of view, this is q.e.d. |
| Doobie User ID: 65566893  United Kingdom12/05/2014 05:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65715957  Sweden12/05/2014 05:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Climate has changed for sure, but I don't think it's about the position of Earth. I believe it's the cause of ecology and sun's activity. Second year in a row there is no snow in Estonia in December. Last year, no snow on Christmas nor on New Years eve. Something is going on. I don't think it's neither global warming nor global cooling. I don't know what it is. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7125754  Uruguay12/05/2014 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The elders maintain the Sun doesn't rise were it used too, they have longer day light to hunt and the Sun is higher than it used to be and warms up quicker than before. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50331153 The elders who were interviewed across the north all said the same thing, their sky has changed. The stars the Sun and the Moon have all changed affecting the temperature, even affecting the way the wind blows, it is becoming increasingly hard to predict the weather, something that is a must on the Arctic. The elders all agree, they believe the Earth has shifted, wobbled or tilted to the North. Zacharius Kunuk has literally been e-mailing NASA with information from the elders regarding changes in the sky and the position of the Earth on its axis.... Full story [link to www.thebigwobble.org] ^^^ THIS ^^^ may be the most important posting on GLP. The Inuit have survived for eons in one of the most inhospitable areas on the planet by being able to effectively read natural indicators. They know something we don't. Damn man, You dont have to be 110 years old and live in the Arctic to realize the weather is fucked up. Hell, i live in NC and i have been saying the same thing for years. Personally, i believe "they" are using HAARP to fuck the entire planet up. Oh... and lets not forget about CERN. Emailing NASA is about as useless as wiping your ass before you shit.  Hilarious, and true. |
| VagyokAkiVagyok User ID: 44082262 Austria12/05/2014 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dace User ID: 946436 Puerto Rico12/05/2014 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3737615 Prove to me what you said is true. You have said the burden of proof is on the poster. Prove to me that "my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? :runningman: I took that photograph just a couple weeks ago, polar aligning off of polaris using the iterative method. The burden of proof is on you to show that polaris is NOT where it should be visually. Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? ... How about this one: :bergrefra: The Great Refractor, Hamburg Bergedorf Observatory, taken into operation 100 years ago (1914). Not computerized, just motor drives to compensate for Earth rotation. No way to make major adjustments to compensate an extraordinary shift of Earth rotational axis. Still in use for astrometric measurements. And there are thousands of telescopes like this still in operation around the world. . Awesome scope! Polaris does move though?, ...But not at a speed visually measured over a few years time due to the progression of the equinox? Gamma Cephei should be the point of polar alignment in about 3200 years. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41724020 United States12/05/2014 05:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, the portrayal of the people making this claim as "wise" primitives isn't accurate. They're living a western lifestyle and most of them aren't living in the same area they were in a hundred years ago. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7125754 Uruguay12/05/2014 06:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Sleeping One User ID: 39225512  Belgium12/05/2014 06:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The elders maintain the Sun doesn't rise were it used too, they have longer day light to hunt and the Sun is higher than it used to be and warms up quicker than before. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50331153 The elders who were interviewed across the north all said the same thing, their sky has changed. The stars the Sun and the Moon have all changed affecting the temperature, even affecting the way the wind blows, it is becoming increasingly hard to predict the weather, something that is a must on the Arctic. The elders all agree, they believe the Earth has shifted, wobbled or tilted to the North. Zacharius Kunuk has literally been e-mailing NASA with information from the elders regarding changes in the sky and the position of the Earth on its axis.... Full story [link to www.thebigwobble.org] I'm not sure if those "elders" of today are actually the same as the elders of yore. |
| Sleeping One User ID: 39225512 Belgium12/05/2014 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, the portrayal of the people making this claim as "wise" primitives isn't accurate. They're living a western lifestyle and most of them aren't living in the same area they were in a hundred years ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41724020 EXACTLY. They are undoubtely all westernized and more so than we care to imagine. They may even believe themselves to be part of the future elite.... |
| Hydra User ID: 65753839 Germany12/05/2014 06:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I'd believe these guys over NASA, MSM and GLP shills any day of the week. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65659993 Then explain why my polar aligned telescope still works and why polaris is still right where it should be relative to our axis of rotation? I for one have more trust in wise people who have nothing to gain out of such statements over "government people" who are following an agenda or a script. ... What the "wise people" saw was the Novaya Zemlya effect [link to en.wikipedia.org] first observed by Gerrit de Veer in 1597 during a polar expedition. . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7125754 Uruguay12/05/2014 06:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Hydra User ID: 65753839 Germany12/05/2014 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro :runningman: I took that photograph just a couple weeks ago, polar aligning off of polaris using the iterative method. The burden of proof is on you to show that polaris is NOT where it should be visually. Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? ... How about this one: :bergrefra: The Great Refractor, Hamburg Bergedorf Observatory, taken into operation 100 years ago (1914). Not computerized, just motor drives to compensate for Earth rotation. No way to make major adjustments to compensate an extraordinary shift of Earth rotational axis. Still in use for astrometric measurements. And there are thousands of telescopes like this still in operation around the world. . Awesome scope! Polaris does move though?, ...But not at a speed visually measured over a few years time due to the progression of the equinox? Gamma Cephei should be the point of polar alignment in about 3200 years. Yes, Polaris moves due to the precession of the equinoxes - about 1° in 75 years or 50.3 arc seconds per year. . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
| Dace User ID: 946436 Puerto Rico12/05/2014 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dace Honestly not shillin'...just inquisitive.. Do you have a 'fixed' scope that you never , ever move? ... How about this one: The Great Refractor, Hamburg Bergedorf Observatory, taken into operation 100 years ago (1914). Not computerized, just motor drives to compensate for Earth rotation. No way to make major adjustments to compensate an extraordinary shift of Earth rotational axis. Still in use for astrometric measurements. And there are thousands of telescopes like this still in operation around the world. . Awesome scope! Polaris does move though?, ...But not at a speed visually measured over a few years time due to the progression of the equinox? Gamma Cephei should be the point of polar alignment in about 3200 years. Yes, Polaris moves due to the precession of the equinoxes - about 1° in 75 years or 50.3 arc seconds per year. . Maybe the Inuit guy just has superhuman visual perception and is prone to freaking out.  Last Edited by Dace on 12/05/2014 06:23 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65657690 United States12/05/2014 06:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65538046  Canada12/05/2014 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is larger in the past little while. Take a serious look at it. Its been getting slightly larger a little at a time. Its expanding and its going to hurl some serious shit at us soon. Debris and Dust and block out the light for a while and a third of the sky and heavens and then.... Then its going to go serious bright x7. That will be Ultra Violet light. Mark my words. There is some very weird shit going on with the other Planets. They are turning on their sides. Wobbles. Storms. Drift. Don't let them tell you anything different. We are heading into the Tribulation Period. This was all for told by many ancient cultures including the Bible itself. Start to really look at your surroundings. Instead of looking down at your shoes all the time pick your heads up and start looking up. Pay attention to the sky. Pay attention to the color of the Sunsets. They are always Red now and it never used to be that way ALL the time. When you start to see Purples and Greens in the Sunsets we are getting close. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5860088 United States12/05/2014 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65538046 Canada12/05/2014 06:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And yet the GPS systems which the Inuit now use in their vehicles still work flawlessly which couldn't be the case if there were a "wobble." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41724020 GPS gets an Alignment all the time by the Satelites that supply the information. What are you talking about...? Where do you think GPS originates from....? Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65538046 Canada12/05/2014 06:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is larger in the past little while. Take a serious look at it. Its been getting slightly larger a little at a time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65538046 Its expanding and its going to hurl some serious shit at us soon. Debris and Dust and block out the light for a while and a third of the sky and heavens and then.... Then its going to go serious bright x7. That will be Ultra Violet light. Mark my words. There is some very weird shit going on with the other Planets. They are turning on their sides. Wobbles. Storms. Drift. Don't let them tell you anything different. We are heading into the Tribulation Period. This was all for told by many ancient cultures including the Bible itself. Start to really look at your surroundings. Instead of looking down at your shoes all the time pick your heads up and start looking up. Pay attention to the sky. Pay attention to the color of the Sunsets. They are always Red now and it never used to be that way ALL the time. When you start to see Purples and Greens in the Sunsets we are getting close.  |
